So does Bernie actually have a chance against Hillary?
He's been winning non-stop lately, and if he were to be the demo nom, does he have an honest chance against Trump?
(I want trump to win like the rest of you I just wanna know the likelyhood of a snaffu
yawn.... bernie was a ploy to make hillary look more centrist.
Bernie does better against trump than Hillary does.
We all thought bernie was done, but what they didn't tell you was that california is worth over 500 delegates ALONE!
Really makes you think, huh?
This meme again.
Just like how Cruz was the only republican who could beat Hillary, right?
Trump vs Bernie in the general would be "guy who wants to lower everyone's taxes vs guy who wants to raise everyone's taxes". Trump would sweep all 50 states.
We're taking it to the contested convention in Philly, definitely a chance Bernie can walk out with a majority of the pledged delegates. Plus Hilldog has an expanding FBI investigation on her ass.
>delusion intensifies
BERNIE IS FUCKING SCRAPING BY WE NEED TO DROP A MONEYBOMB
Numbers don't lie. I'm not a Bernie supporter but that's the truth plain and simple.
The real question is which of the conventions are going to be the bloodiest?
kek. Can't wait for the actual reality to hit Berniebros at the convention.
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>Chillary
Nice meme.
They're not going to hit her with anything now because she could use it to her advantage.
Hillary will continue to decline and Trump will rise to victory when they face off in the general election. That's it.
If the numbers don't lie, then at the very least they don't make any fucking sense.
Trump is now starting to beat Hillary in national polls. Hillary is beating Bernie by over 3 million popular votes. How the FUCK does Bernie beat Trump by double digits if he's losing to his own party by millions of votes?
Bernie has never had a single negative ad run against him in his entire life compared to Hillary who's been under non-stop fire for 30 years. You're just being a dumb cunt.
Hillary IS a centrist. She and Bill are basically Republicans without the Evangelicals.
Hillary loses Bernie voters but Bernie does not lose Hillary voters. Trump and Hillary would be a very low turn out election with a significant portion of the Democratic base completely unmotivated. Trump and Sanders would see the highly motivated Sanders supporters generating energy with the power of the DNC establishment doing actual organizing.
The goal isn't to attack Hillary, but to make the case that Bernie is polled as the most electable candidate against Trump, and wins the majority of the independent votes in every contest. All of Hillary's superdelegates have jumped on her side before Bernie even announced he was running for president, so they haven't officially pledged to either candidate yet. That and many of the states Bernie won with an overwhelming lead, the majority of delegates still went to Hillary.
Hillary is beating Bernie in rigged closed primaries which disenfranchise independent voters, whom Bernie has 70% or 80% of the vote. In many cases where people changed from independent to democrat just to vote for Bernie, their votes also weren't counted. If every state was an open contest, Bernie would've swept the country. The proof is in the rallies, as Hillary doesn't come close to drawing the record breaking tens of thousands of people who gather at Bernie rallies.
>Contested convention
>Only two candidates
How the fuck does this work? One of them will get a majority of votes on the first ballot and then it's over. It's only contested if neither reaches 50%, which isn't really possible with only 2 candidates.
Proportional representation, m800
>low republican turnout
Trump has more primary votes than any republican in history, and the primaries aren't even over yet.
And how the fuck does Bernie gain Clinton supporters? You think Hillary's base of white middle class women would flock to the polls to vote for a socialist who wants to raise their taxes significantly?
There's a reason Sanders is getting smoked in the popular vote: a socialist is 100% unelectable. That may change in the coming decades, but right now it's definitely not happening.
I can't wait until the conventions are over so that you delusional faggots can stfu forever.
That is because there is nothing to run a negative ad with against him. The man has had the same values for 30 years and hasn't been in multiple scandals like the Clintons.
In America it's different, a candidate must reach a set number of pledged delegated from primaries and caucuses in all states. The race has been so tight that it's mathematically impossible for Hillary to reach the set number of delegates to 'secure' the nomination.
kek
lol
>not realizing trump is a ploy to make hillary the least awful candidate in the general
I'm talking about the DNC. We don't even have that nonsense in Europe.
People pretend superdelegates don't count but they do. She'll get over 50% of the vote on the first ballot.
And that is also what I'm talking about. Neither Hillary or Bernie can reach the designated number of pledged delegates to secure the Democratic nomination. I'm not pretending superdelegates don't count, that is exactly the goal of the convention in Philadelphia, to make the case that Bernie is polled as the most electable candidate against Trump, and that the candidates who pledged to Hillary before Bernie even announced his run must make a decision based on that. That and many of the states Bernie won with an overwhelming lead, the majority of delegates still went to Hillary.
Trump is going to lose some evangelicals and a lot of independents just aren't going to show up. I actually think a low turn out election favors Trump and scares the shit out of the DNC because it means more states in play and it makes competitive states a contest of mobilization.
As for Sanders, yes, Clinton's supporters would vote for him. They're establishment liberals, they'll vote for whoever is on the top of the ticket, especially with SCOTUS picks in play. Its all theoretical, though, because Sanders isn't getting the nomination unless Clinton is indicted.
I'm actually not a Sanders supporter, but I think he has a better shot than Clinton at taking down Trump. If I was putting money down, though, I think it would be foolish to bet against Trump after what we've seen in the primaries.
but this isn'a tight race, she won more contests and more votes than Bernie it's not like in 2008 where the race was tighter
Why does this artist act like Bernie is young and hip?
>more contests
>more votes
Yet Bernie Sanders is leading Hillary Clinton in national polls. The aforementioned reason Hillary is leading in votes and delegates, is because of closed primaries which disenfranchise independent voters. In nearly every open contest, Bernie won with a 60% or 70% lead. The primaries may have this closed primary nonsense, but the general election doesn't, everyone can vote. That's what the convention is for, and that's the case we're making.
More votes is debatable because of the stupid caucus system a lot of states still use, the complicated open/closed/hybrid primary system, and all the accusations of vote fraud flying around.
I think the Sanders argument at this point is that most of the contests in battleground states have been either very close or gone to Sanders and that the clintons lack the enthusiasm of the youth vote and have too much baggage to be electable at the national level against a mud slinger like Trump. There is also the idea that Sanders will steal some of Trump's thunder by splitting the anti-establishment vote.
>splitting the anti-establishment vote
he really wouldn't though.
Keep in mind, though, that close primaries are intended to favor nominees who are less centrist and more progressive. I think the Sanders camp is short sighted here. Yes, Clinton managed to dominate closed contests because she's very good at the game, but you make politicians like the Clintons more likely in the future by letting in the moderates.
And Trump is a ploy to make Hilldog look not as terrible as she is. He has always been democrat, and he just cleared the path for her.
I don't disagree, but thats the argument. What he would do is take away some of the effectiveness of Trump's outsider narrative, but I'm not sure how much Trump needs that in the generals.
It's her official meme my friend.
Why bother? Cruz is unelectable at the national level, Bush is indistinguishable from Clinton, neither Kasich nor Rubio seem like big enough threats to engineer some grand conspiracy, most of the other dozen or so candidates were jokes.
Bernie isn't be entirely ingenious with his base, yes he's been wining but in the Democratic primaries it's not winner take all and Hillary is also taking a significant chunk of delegates even from states he's winning.
If it was winner take all he could possibly get the nomination but its not, he's not being fair to his supporters and I think his supporters dont exactly understand the system let alone simple math. No he doesn't stand a chance unless Hillary was to be indicted, which is a Fox New's meme which caught on and every other day I see a post stem up saying some source of a source of a source says Hillary will be arrested tomorrow. It's BS.
>close primaries are intended to favor nominees who are less centrist and more progressive
If that is their intended purpose, why do they in every case work against progressives and grassroots activism? Like the idea of superdelegates, why do closed contests only stifle and suppress democracy? Why is free and fair elections and automatic registration a progressive platform?
>allowing people who have nothing to do with your party to vote in your primaries
I didn't know it was possible to be this cucked.
i can only imagine how many pbrs have been put in these things
That's how general elections are, user.
Now that Trump is winning the polls, maybe. Really hope he doesn't get the nom, I think Trump can beat him anyway but it'll be harder and I'd rather beat Hillary anyway.
The people who are claiming Hillary will be indicted are literally retard tier. They need to check into a mental facility for a few days of ECT to shock them back to reality.
The higher ups rarely if ever are indicted, it's usually a peon of theirs that takes the fall for them. Look up Scooter Libby.
Chris Christie hasn't been charged with shit and won't.
Bush and Cheney were never charged in the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity, which technically was treason, only their peon Scooter was, even after Dick Cheney stated Valerie was "fair game".
Bill Clinton was never indicted for lying under oath.
If anyone is going to be indicted it will be a peon of Hillary's. she may well be guilty but she will never be indicted for it, wake up people.
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Trump can't beat Sanders, user.
Well he hasn't exactly tried very hard to make him look like a bad candidate. He doesn't want to alienate his supporters.
1. He ain't gon win the primaries
2. He sure as hell won't win the general election
>he hasn't exactly tried very hard to make him look like a bad candidate
Do tell, how would he manage to do that?
He's ran as a republican before.
These polls are so stupid. Anyone with a brain knows Rubio would not have a chance of winning the general election.
Attack the fact that his wife is rich and that she just bankrupted a university for starters.
Bring to everyone's attention just how much people would pay under Sanders' plans and how he wants to make Americans richer not poorer.
Bring back the label of socialism actually being bad (because it fucking is).
Lots more I'm sure.
The republican voterbase secretly want islamic gommunism and will desert Drumpf in droves.
>Attack the fact that his wife is rich and that she just bankrupted a university for starters
Yet Trump personally bankrupted his own unaccredited "university" (Trump University) and swindled thousands of students, and bailed out with their money.
>Bring to everyone's attention just how much people would pay under Sanders' plans and how he wants to make Americans richer not poorer.
Bernie's proposals of universal healthcare and tuition free university are implemented in every industrialized nation in the world. These plans would end up actually saving families thousands of dollars per year then they would have spent on college tuitions and private insurance premiums. If you're freaking out this much about socialism, lead by example and move the fuck out of Australia.
>Yet Trump personally bankrupted his own unaccredited "university" (Trump University) and swindled thousands of students, and bailed out with their money.
Blatantly false. If you're not shilling you may actually want to look into that. Both wrong.
>Bernie's proposals of universal healthcare and tuition free university are implemented in every industrialized nation in the world.
Yeah, and look how greaaaat those places are doing. Not only are they falling apart, they're anti freedom, which is the single most important thing a country can give its citizens.
>lead by example and move the fuck out of Australia
I want to move to the US asap, but it's really not easy. I hate it here.
shame he cant beat hillary...if i was trump i would not attack bernie right now
his supporters are up for grabs and they dont like the lying war monger killary
bernie bros will fall into line becuase they want to smash the establishment and that is trump
>Blatantly false. If you're not shilling you may actually want to look into that. Both wrong.
Not a counter-argument. Google it, senpai.
>Yeah, and look how greaaaat those places are doing.
Much better than the United States socially and economically. Countries in Europe have much more robust economies, lower rates of unemployment, higher education rates, and a higher quality of living overall, attributed to their social programs.
>I want to move to the US asap
You'll fit right in with our massive horde of low-information misguided Trump supporters.
>bernie bros will fall into line becuase they want to smash the establishment and that is trump
>trump
You must be new here.
Lol