*plunges Europe into a mega civil war*

*plunges Europe into a mega civil war*
what the fuck was his problem

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he wanted his vision of an abstract concept to be the most relevant

He was right tho, papist are the worst

He was a man of God, you heretic.

Stay mad papist

possessed by the devil

The protestant heresy was the worst. Just look at their state now. Hundreds of little sects all claiming to be the true Church, of which Jesus gave Peter the keys to. Silly TV millionaire pastors who are exactly the thing they claimed to be against 400 years ago. And in Europe the most filthy sects who let sodomites marry.. What an abomination in the eyes of God.

I can agree that indulgences were wrong on every level, but how is the teaching of the Bible, charity, and the word of the Pope wrong in any way?? Was it worth 8m lives?

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The revolution was a mega mistake led by demonic bloodthirsty atheists using the misery of the people as a lever. We need to go back.

The excesses with indulgences existed on lower levels, but was far exagerrated. Also contrary to popular opinion, an indulgence is not a free ticket to sin, it is rather a form of penance for a commited sin. Early Christians already practiced it.

>falling for papist propaganda
lmoa kys

>I can agree that indulgences were wrong on every level

not all indulgences equate to simony

people get indulgences for praying the rosary

Luthernism is the devil Tbh

germanic genetics

I have to agree with leaf-senpai.

Who's the fella at 11 o'clock?

Kaiser William

>not even the original

Danke user

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>but how is the teaching of the Bible, charity, and the word of the Pope wrong in any way?? Was it worth 8m lives?
all part of the power structure and intertwined with those indulgences

Hussites were blasphemous degenerates

t. cucktholic

Separation of church and state best day of my life

he had 95 problems

Bila Hora best day of my life

>not even the REAL original

>be catholic
>ignore the bible, if the pope says so the bible is wrong
>ignore the bible, imprison or kill people who do a scientific break through
>ignore the bible, imprison or kill critical thinkers
>ignore the bible, touch children
>ignore the bible, chase witches
>ignore the bible, spread with violence
>ignore the bible, you can pay off your sins
>ignore the bible, attack minor christian groups
>ignore the bible, don't believe in god, but just pretend to be catholic for the social occasion

actually, most of the protestant countries in the world is also the most secular
USA is the only exception

The cat was already out of the bag. The church never regained their status and it was funnily enough a Habsburg who disbanded some of their orders.

Didn't start a revolution though

>Visigoths
>germans

Germanic=/=german.

He was enraged after some Jewish kid mocked him for his favourite hat.

In the Netherlands 85% of the protestants believe in God.
13% of the Catholics believe in god.

But there are more Catholics than protestants..

For most Catholics it's just a social label.

How are they Christians if they do not believe in God?

Why are catholics so shit? Does the cock you receive from the clergy make you this way?

Protestants shoved your shit in.

this tbqh

were, in theory me, my sister, father and mother are catholics because we're all baptized but in fact we're all fedoras

the most fucked up thing with the church is that you can't leave it - you can apostatize but it doesn't exclude you from the catholic church, just suspends your rights as a catholic

Self proclaimed Christian.

It was actually a research done by the religious media themselves.

24% is atheist.
28% believe in a higher force, but don't know what.
34% is agnostic.
14% followed an organized religion.

There are around 30% more catholics than protestants. But most of the catholics actually don't believe.

eo.nl/geloven/nieuws/item/nederland-is-god-kwijt-geraakt/

This was predicted. Vatican II is a sham, instigated by freemasons. It was prophecised that before the Great Chastisement, very soon, the Church would be infiltrated and most people would turn away from it. In fact, just before it looks like Satan has won, our Lord will cleanse it all.

Another reason that the Church of Rome is the real Church of Christ, even in its current deplorable state, with its current antipope teaching degeneracy. Who are you to deny what Christ Himself has begun, by giving Peter the keys?

It's the same here. The entire south is catholic. In the rest of the country, outside of the bible belt, nobody has any contact with religion, so people have to make the conscience decision to become protestant.

america is the netherlands greatest ally

>catholic
>ignore the bible, chase witches
aquafresh education.

>William

>Mfw a protestant protests near me

>"Yes good goy, keep buying tickets to heaven so I can build a new megachurch. It's written in this book" (reading the illigal because I don't want my pyramid scheme figured out)

I was speaking engrish. If i'm gonna talk about queen of England on russian language i'll say "Elizaveta" instead of "Elizabeth".

He believed salvation is through grace by faith alone. He never meant it to cause a civil war and labelled anyone that did (like Muntzer) as being rightfully taken down a notch by the secular powers.

The biggest war following this however (the 30 years war) is only hardly a religious war, and the religious aspect is hardly only to blame on the protestants. It was however much more a political war against the habsburg dynasty and their power. If it were a more religious war it would be like the Schmalkaldic war which ended in a grudging deal that was half decent.

So do you think that the iconoclasty that followed (eg. beeldenstorm in Antwerpen) was a mere act of resistance against symbols associated with the Habsburgers? Or could it be that our secular way of looking at it is wrong, and worldly and religious outlook on life was unseparatable back then?

Honest question.

Not really, we were the ones who caused this war. It is very well known the Spanish fanatism of the old times.

>p*apists
>following the teachings of the bible

>civil war
>between different countries
I wish France would learn English so they can communicate with us humans.

some people just like to watch the world burn

>All these mad papists
Do it again Luther

"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools … This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …"
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."
"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them."
"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …"
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside …"
"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …"
"Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow … But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., … then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., … then eject them forever from the country …"

Germans love war

Mankind is violent by nature. Germans are not the only ones who love violence and war. Just take a look at your country´s history, You will see what I am talking about.

There is literally nothing wrong with instigating wars and engaging in high seas piracy

The iconoclast movement is hardly something that had a larger impact on Europe as a whole though it had an influence on the lower countries. No, it is not an act of resistance against the Habsburgers, though Flemish resentment against the Habsburgers might have helped them to turn protestant perhaps.

It is good however to recognize the difference between the theology of Luther and of Calvin, both protestant and if you look aside the fights between Zwingli and Luther recognizing (in various degrees) of each others theologies to a level. Luther got pissed off (like he always did) when people. Luther denounced iconoclasm in Wittenberg and treated with relative impassion images just as long as nobody prayed to/through them.

Calvin however is much more strong in his denouncement of idols/paintings in his magnus opus 'institute of the Christian religion". It is however important to say that Calvin wished them removed by the authorities that turned a church ready for the protestant service, I do not believe he condoned in any way iconoclasm.

Now to come back to your question, religious and worldly were to an extent indeed inseperable back then, I wish they were but they were not. Both Luther and Calvin were supporters of secular power, as they should be of course, God gave us rulers to make sure we do not kill each other but they also supported rulers to take church matters into their own hands.

But doing this does not equate to asking for civil war, not in a long shot. The peaceful removal was not something that could happen in a largely catholic country so the rioters (with some tacit half closed eyes of local rulers) defaced them in a much more rash manner. You can see this difference for example clearly in Utrecht that still bears the scars of the beeldenstorm in comparison with the large church in Groningen which happened peacefully.

In short: it was not only an act of resistance, but it happened largely because the secular could not remove.

yurotrash gonna trash

At least muslims know how to put them in their place.

If you look at it, all catholic countries are shit (Spain, France, Italy, Romania etc) and all protestant countries are succesful (Germany, Scandinavia, Britain, Netherlands, USA)

Must be a reason

Till you are the one who suffer for it, right?

There is a sentence in Spanish which is very accurate for this kind of issues: Quién mata a hierro, muere a hierro (Who kills through steel will die through steel)

you clearly dont know the meaning of success.

This was one of his later writings and focused on the Jews not the roman church. It is a writing no protestant ought to be proud of and that is used much too often to discredit protestant theology even though it does not relate to the big point of the reformation. Also I do not believe this writing even incited large scale anti-Jewish riots, but that does not negate the vile that Luther drew from his pen.

Some say he was not an antisemite earlier, writing 'Jesus was a Jew' but he certainly (and unfortunately) was later in life, even giving his last sermon ever lambasting Jews.

Another catholic shithole, proving it's not about race (protestant countries with slavs like Estonia is succesful while catholic countries with slavs like Poland is shit)

Yeah but I mean if you get killed you won't have much time to worry about it

youre a stupid protestant maggot

and Im glad Muhammad is fucking you up the ass Sven


your barbaric shithole is the last place on this Allah forsaken continent I'd move to.

we teaming up with them to put you asshole out.

>Luther got pissed off (like he always did) when people

Disagreed with him on theological grounds, but he did accept various points of Zwingli.

>unironically worshipping a cuck argentinian in rome who licks nigger feet

C*tholics aren't capable of theology, only arrogance and ethnic chauvinism

Whether some nations are more succesful with certain branches of the christian faith has very little to do with theology. I do however wish to mention that Sweden is not a protestant country at the moment, it is something you could call post-protestant.

I once read but I can for the life of me not source it anymore that post-protestant countries are often very postmodernist while post-catholic countries get very socialist/commie. Not sure why but I think it makes sense, the new wave of atheism in the US is making that country quite 'probelematic', the current wave of atheism in Spain is making that country quite left wing.

You will not worry when you are dead meanwhile you are alive, is a another story. Just imagine that you are being killed slowly and painfully. You know you will die but You dont know when. What I meant with the sentence is, If you take the arms and decide to kill your enemies, be ready for suffering the same that the enemies you killed.

Thanks for your clarification. What I never got: protestants also call the months january, february etc, call the planets Saturn, Jupiter etc... all references to pagan gods and practices. Why make such a fuss about venerating saints, people who were so godly we in general are not worthy to kiss their feet, when it is explicitly stated that nothing more than veneration is the issue? Idolatry means litterally revering objects or men as gods. Which is not at all the same.

bullshit

We, and Austria, are doing quite well. And the others suffered from communism or islam.

It's easy for you being far away from the conflicts, but rest assured your apostate nation will be the first to perish when the Great Chastisement comes.

It was not really his fault to be honest, he only reacted to the corruption of the Catholic Church.
I am sure he didn't expect that ruthless countries would use the religious differences to start such a destructive war

>(and unfortunately)

well in fact there he was speaking out of experience, look at how jews react to the Divine Message

eg. read this thread, see how the jew reacts, I'm sure Luther also experienced quite a lot of this, he was slapped in the face by reality so to say

he is an antipope, the apostasy of the Church in the latter days was prophecised, even by Jesus Himself, nevertheless He gave Peter the keys of His Church, it is still the one and only true Church. And it will rise again, after the Great Chastisement, which you can expect very soon, before the end of this year even. And be assured that your filthy sodomite nation will be the first to suffer. God is pissed off, rest assured.

Well, what did you expect? Tribals going tribal and bashing each other, then the Latins putting them to fight for laughs and profit.

>what the fuck was his problem
dirty pope was his problem

The naming of days and months is in a certain way more a cultural practice than a veneration. This is also where one can see the difference in Luther and Calvin (oversimplifying) Luther just wanted people not to venerate them, Calvin wanted the statues removed all together. He felt that giving honor to a saint or praying through them was generally not any different than praying to them, even just having the statues there makes it very easy to let ones eyes wander to give a certain special meaning to them.

Just as a sidenote Calvin himself cites this pagan poem which he uses as support of this (even though he is aware no roman catholic sees statues as gods themselves) what he sees as an ungodly practice.

poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/HoraceSatiresBkISatVIII.htm

I am not too familiar with Jewish theology beyond the basics, I will I pray learn more about it through my years as I am sure it is fascinating. I do think a personal element Luther encountered played a role, he thought Jews would be more welcoming to the gospel if it was freed from the Roman church, the fact that they did not probably made him bitter. But I can guarantee you that he did not do protestants of this day a huge favor in defending his theology since many people find it a bit too hard to segregate the three solas from this. In the end he was a sinner like everyone and certainly not a prophet.

Lucky the war went on for as long as it did, or Sweden would've totally missed it. We were busy recovering after winning three other wars.

Luther wanted to reform the church from within, but the Pope sperged out and blew it all far out of proportion.

He wanted a wife.

German autism

rromani-a is an orthodog nation
Transylvania is split between Catholicism and Protestantism

This, why is Luther always blamed for the schism? It was the Pope who excommunicated him

>american education

Luther was a mega autist anyway, he would have still raged if he had lived to see protestantism become just an excuse to overthrow monarchism for republicanism and le happy mercantile opportunism