Is this a WW3 declaration?
Is this a WW3 declaration?
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No. Sub locations aren’t public news.
This is crap bait.
There is no way the Navy would announce the position of their subs unless they are in port.
I'm a submarine sonar tech, WE aren't even told where we are when we're on the mf.
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isnt japan going to be hit wit dat shit first
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Who's on NK's side? Us kicking the shit out of Kim doesn't count as a world war. Fuck.
there is a 100% chance that the US navy has had a nuclear submarine constantly positioned near North Korea for at least the past 40 years.
You mean guam?
guam is not near north korea. it's 3400 miles away.
i mean underwater, within at most a few hundred miles of the country.
nuclear powered or a sub with nukes?
No. The Cold War was World War III.
This will be World War IV: A New Hope
Dubtripdubs checked.
The whole point of the nuclear triad is to have a capable sub or plane in range of each countries HVTs at all times, if ICBMs aren't an option. They've always been there.
Can we agree that the term world war can not happen in this situation. Any chinks who are with NK will be wiped out as quick. Using the term WW3 is just a media tool to scare fucking retards.
All subs are nuclear powered. And they're either Fast Attack (made for attacking ships, other subs, etc) or Boomers (made for nukes).
Right....a forward deployed submarine base 3400 miles away. S no fucking shit Batman.
whoa relax, guys, we know you arent going to the world cup but you dont need a nuclear war to fill the void in your hearts
UK Navy here. There are only a select few even on the sub itself who know where the fuck in the world a nuclear sub is. Try harder op you fucking faggatron.
Forgot GNs.
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>all subs are nuclear powered
all united states navy submarines are nuclear powered. plenty of other countries have diesel boats, including north korea.
No they are not dipshit. Some have conventional powerplant.
>All subs are nuclear powered.
wow i did not know that lol
Not us subs. They're all reacter driven. Not diesel turbine
>2017
>implying nuclear submarines have not surrounded the whole Korea peninsula already
>Implying North Korea is a threat
hi boot
Can we just get a ground attack. What are they going to do? Shoot back??. They don't even eat. Any gun will kick back and break their arms off.
they have nuclear weapons...
Have they ever said what type of nukes they have? Would it be old shit that is easily defended against?
>being this retarded
Skyking Skyking do not answer :)
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I'm no scientist, but I don't think any nuclear weapons are "easily defended against".
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googled this, fake as fuck.
half the results are sub sandwich shops. thanks faggot, now im hungry
you don't park a boomer off shore of an enemy. They're strategic, deep water assets. ICBMs aren't used for a target a hundred miles away. You can pretty much guarantee there are fast attack subs patrolling around NK all the time.
So did they hacked into the Obama Admn for the plans or was it handed to them.
If NK launched nukes. How many? What type? And what defence systems would any country consider before launching their own.
There are stages that a nuke travels over the earth high enough to be intercepted high enough to no cause any fallout or damage. I was asking before if we know if NK had older nukes with just one projectile that being the warhead.
To get past those defences you would have to launch a number of older less advance missiles to get past OR use a few advanced nukes that slip and create more targets, making it a higher chance they are not shot down.
I am either retarded and did no research or not but I am sure that is some ways to defend against nukes.
are you only considering nuclear weapons delivered via missile? there are many ways to attack someone with a nuclear device, just one is by putting it on the end of a missile.
in this post: i was responding to someone saying that we should just use a ground attack with standard weaponry to take NK out.
if we did that then NK wouldn't even have to use nuclear missiles to attack us with nukes, they could easily use shorter range deployment methods to decimate our troops.
Haha yeah that was me.
I am just sick the world thinking NK is an actual threat. An open ground attack I don't think will even happen in modern warfare. But we all know America could get in unnoticed and just topple over everything.
The Russians, Chinese and India all have nuclear powered subs.
that's true.
all of those countries all also have conventional, in most case diesel, powered submarines.
>America could get in unnoticed and just topple over everything.
I really don't think t hat's even remotely possible.
Are you saying dictatorships have not been broken before?
Pulling a few strings would be better for everyone then retards being scared of nukes.
They have nuclear /weapon/. Singular. They keep building exactly one, and firing it to make a show.
And if they try firing it in the direction of the US, we'll blow it up while it's still over their country so it rains radiation straight back down onto themselves.
>Announcing military strategy to the public for all eyes to see
>obama
>Implying anything will happen
Kim Jong Un would be suicidal to launch a nuke. He's probably only got crude fission bombs and limited means of delivery, even if he fired the first shot he sure as hell won't fire the last
>They have nuclear /weapon/. Singular. They keep building exactly one, and firing it to make a show.
that's not true. they keep testing nuclear weapons, but they're not blowing up their whole stockpile every time, that would be completely idiotic.
>And if they try firing it in the direction of the US, we'll blow it up while it's still over their country so it rains radiation straight back down onto themselves.
that's not how nuclear weapons work. if you shot one down it wouldn't just randomly detonate. it's actually very difficult to make a nuclear bomb explode (fully) unintentionally.
>Are you saying dictatorships have not been broken before?
no, i never said that. this is a rather unique case though where the regime is very isolated from the rest of the world.
>Pulling a few strings would be better for everyone then retards being scared of nukes.
if an assassination plot fails, that's essentially a declaration of war in NK, and many other countries (China)s eyes.
He may have more than one (stil very few) but they're almost certainly not thermonuclear. A pea shooter against the US's MIRVs. Also I very much doubt they have a reliable ICBM system. maybe IRBMs or SRBMs but those won't reach most of the US
they just launched two ICBM class missiles in July.
>Assassination
Killing key players is only one option. I will admit I would not know where to begin myself.
>China
Fuck China. Their threats are baseless. So what they lose their little trade deals. China is a bigger threat then NK but I still think they would back down and deal with whatever happens. Their threats of attacking the US if they attack first are baseless and just a cheap way of saying they want to keep this back and fourth going so they can still do business.
Gonna need a citation, fucking Iraq couldn't manage making a reliable IRBM and they spent a lot (relatively) on their military R&D and sourced outside weapons. North Korea is isolated as fuck. Unless maybe the Chinese gave it to them
The problem with the koreans is that even though they have old tech, they are still capable of nuking us.
They have aprox. 60 nuclear warheads. The missile testing is getting better. They are on the brink of being able to hit cities with decent accuracy.
While their nukes arent much stronger than hiroshima/nagasaki, they are still capable to obliterating chicago, nyc, san f. and LA, etc...
If they are able to land at least a couple nukes on these major cities, America will be totally crippled and collapse. Sure, we will obliterate them entirely, but we will bleed out. Food/goods stop moving, millions die instantly, all economy is ruined, power grids, etc.
TLDR: If I shoot you with a shotgun in the knee, you're gonna die after bleeding out for a few minutes. While you're on the ground, you shoot me in the head. I dead instantly. we both die
Duck and cover!
take a guess
also the chinks want a buffer zone between china and s. korea
I understand what you are saying but I still think the most the US would deal with is a few harsh words.
>Capable of nuking us
I am still not convinced they could honestly. if their power is not that higher then some from 80 years ago.
More likely they attack someone close and easier to attack and everyone else would have to retaliate.
What I do not understand is why everyone is just waiting for NK to improve their missiles instead of dealing with this years ago.
That's an IRBM not an ICBM. ICBMs need a minimum range of 5500Km, they haven't broken 4000Km
fucking finally.
technically you're correct that the actual range was not ICBM distance, the height of the parabolic arc of the missile showed that it was technically capable of flying ICBM distances if it had been programmed to fly more laterally instead of vertically.
That's cool. We do commercial marine electronics. Furuno, Simrad, etc. I'm sure ya'lls shit is way more badass
>also the chinks want a buffer zone between china and s. korea
bingo.
Lol'd
busy in middle east
Can't there be some kind of espionage and subsequent assassination?
so why the hell doesn't anyone have a missile interception system set up around NK?
No, firstly because this isn't a real piece of news, and secondly because who said it would be a world war?
The US would fuck NK up with Japanese and South Korean support, whilst China and Russia would keep a close eye on their borders and seek to solve everything diplomatically (whilst exerting influence on whatever post-war NK government filled the vacuum).
In other words, it wouldn't be a 'world war'. In the same way that Syrian civil war isn't, despite involving multiple countries embroiled in proxy squabbling.
we do.
look up THHAD, AEGIS, and GBIs
to their mainland?
THAAD*
>look up THHAD, AEGIS, and GBIs
they did nothing to stop a missile from going over japan a few weeks ago
they were never fired upon that missile.
it's very easy to tell the trajectory of a missile shortly after launch. why give away your capabilities to a non-threat?
because it went right over japan and properly programmed missiles can start descending when needed, and even if it wasn't, could still start dropping because of a defect. why let NK properly test their weapons to let them know their progress?
>it's very easy to tell the trajectory of a missile shortly after launch
is it?
i mean, you can maneuver this stuff depending on what's there, so i'm not entirely sure it's that easy to predict where it lands
>properly programmed missiles can start descending when needed
that's not how ballistic missiles work.
>is it?
for ballistic missiles, yes. they're not like cruise missiles, like the USAs Tomahawk. think about a ballistic missile like throwing a ball up into the air in an arc. once you release, the fate of that ball is 100% known, you just have to do a little math to figure it out.
This guy gets it
but can't you just program the propulsion to just shut off after some time? then all you have is a surprise missile falling earlier than predicted.
i mean, icbms are not exactly like a ball you throw, they're like a baloon you release from your hand and it flies away...
Not how solid rocket engines work, you ignite it, it will go until out of fuel. That's why they're considered more dangerous and usually have a self destruct in case the shit hits the fan
but how long does it take to figure out its just a ballistic missile?
what if uncle Kim decided to fucking surprise and have a system that just detaches the payload from engines/fuel mid-flight?
i mean, apart from the part where half the fucking world knocks on his door instantly.
I was born after all the cool REAL wars happened. I wanna have a REAL war to watch. Not some door to door liberation sand monkey missions that takes fucking forever. Let's attack NK and get something good started that'll be awesome to watch! I want to see what my awesome country USA can do! Let's see those awesome gigantic rail guns! Just point it towards Kim Il Sung square and take out Kim Jong Un from super far away! Fuck! Really not that hard!
>spend decades and billions making sure no one can find your boomers
>release their location to the media
>Let's attack NK and get something good started that'll be awesome to watch! I want to see what my awesome country USA can do!
> USA attacks NK
> China knocks at USA's door
> GIB MONEYS BACK OR I CHINK CHONG PING BOMB YOU HWAITO PIGGU.
> USA has no moneys ;_;
not long. BMs have a very easily distinguishable flight pattern.
Being born after ,Nam really sucks :( all the cool epic history book-esque shit already happened :( literally jealous of those born around WW2 and Korean war and Nam. Now it a just blah blah we moves 1,000 troops from a to b. Oh, today we will use tough words and UN sancshits. What happened to the days when a country showed balls not by empty words, but by rolling out a fuck ton of tanks and shit at the countries doorsteps? USE FUCKING ARTILLERY AND MAKE IT RAIN. FUCK!!!
China is getting fed up with kims bullshit.
If kim fires the first shot they will sit back and laugh for sure.
Exactly. Let's get something fucking epic started and go to to toe with the small dicked emasculated Chinese!
>USA defaults on loans
>US economy crashes
>life becomes slightly more difficult for the average Amerifat, but overall stays the same
>Chinese economy crashes from loss of debt, loss of export to the US
>millions of Chinks die
> it crashed into Tokyo
> oh then it wasn't a BM.
A system like that would be almost impossible to control accurately, it could end up landing in the Nevada desert where nobody would give a fuck. Only 53% of the US is inhabited, less than 20% heavily inhabited, I don't know about Kim, but I don't like those odds
>china into wars with US
>china demands monies
>US laughs and says what monies
>POOF US debt is drastically reduced overnight.
>US stops importing made in china shit
>china falls on its knees begging for sweet sweet US spooge to guzzle again.
>What happened to the days when a country showed balls not by empty words, but by rolling out a fuck ton of tanks and shit at the countries doorsteps?
we developed a weapon that is capable of wiping entire armies off the face of the planet instantaneously
>USE FUCKING ARTILLERY AND MAKE IT RAIN. FUCK!!!
why? surgical strikes with drones and missiles are both cheaper and far more effective
yeah tbh i wonder what the fuck would happen.
but the US isn't the only place they export stuff to, but probably majority of it goes there indeed.
meanwhile new zealand puts on its shades and watches from afar, shagging some sheep during breaks.
>why? surgical strikes with drones and missiles are both cheaper and far more effective
and fun to watch
>Implying China gives a shit about NK anymore
China are fucking sellouts, even the Soviets thought of them as traitors to the cause after US/China trade boomed, but guess who's still a superpower?
no, since its fake and ALL sub locations are secret. we only know where ships are going be cause they're kinda hard to hide