So Europe is inhabitated pretty much by Germanics and Slavs
Germanics are very aware of their barbaric past, the Germans used to be even proud of it until it fucked them totally up in the XXth century
The Danes have no problem with seeing themselves as we wuz Vikings, the conquerors of the world (at least this is how one polish historian described it)
But the other group, namely Slavs, have no comparable tradition. There's nearly no slavic mythology present in the public and, afaik except some minor russian movements, nobody really described themselves as Slavs, to a comparable extent as the northern nations
So why is it this way? What are the traits of the Slavs? What is the role of the Slavs in Europe?
Because Slavs are the niggers of Europe. And if niggers didn't exist, they'd be the niggers of everywhere.
Jeremiah Russell
WE WUZ WITCHERS N SHIZ
Owen Hall
Slavs converted to Christianity and that was that
Samuel Jones
Probably something to do with the fact that most slav nations were at one point in time - but most very early on - under one empire or another, and subsequently they took on the mythology of their rulers.
Scandinavians were introduced to christianity fairly later on, as opposed to slavs, whose mythology etc. was dismissed as heresy/paganism before anything could be promptly written down or documented.
Blake Barnes
How the fuck are you from Poland and you don't know a single thing about Slavic mythology? It's all there, and has several parallels with other European myths and legends.
iirc one of the Slavic gods is just a giant ass Toad
Jack Mitchell
What the fuck are you on about Slavs have great myths.
Sebastian Cox
Slovenia understands what I'm talking abour
Luke Scott
because what we call "Slavs" were only recognized as a group of people until after Christ died
Brayden Lopez
>I'm a self hating Slav and have betrayed my heritage for the hope of being accepted as a "Western" nation. >Ergo, all Slavs have no pride in their heritage.
Gavin Brooks
But 'niggers' kicked half Europe to their knees. U just trash who think yourself as ubermensches, but IRL fear every non-White.
Christopher Rivera
Slaves role is to save Europe nation and destroy it's own.
Julian Rodriguez
The thing I'm still the most proud of is the mass graves of Poles we have created between the Sudetes and the Weichsel Pictelated. Polish Priests getting literally BTFO.
Grayson Flores
My Grandpa is still very proud of Dresden he likes to call it the >barbecue of the krauts.
Jason Garcia
>But 'niggers' kicked half Europe to their knees But thanks to russian strategic depth and the number of the Russians. It took 22 million Russians to destroy Germany
How is that related to the topic Heini?
Matthew Rodriguez
Half of this millions was prisoner of death and concentration camps. Pure fighting we always win and u know it untermensch.
Colton Russell
Silly Americans. If you want a good barbeque you don't use your coal. You use the more clean Gas
Jason Edwards
Communism.
Wyatt Hall
>Be polish >WE WUZ SAVERS ONZ >PRUSSIA WUZ OUR SERVANTZ ONZ! >WE WUZ KNIGHTS >get fucked by franks, goths, sueds, saxons, french, germans, russians, germans again, russians again, even mongols >get to be slaves over and over, not even own the same land for longer then 100 years, cannon fodder and murdered in a crusade for being pegans
Do slavs really need a rich tradition?
To be honest the only good thing about slavs today is that they are the strongest christian communities and probably the last once who will fight islam. Not like men vs beast but rats vs roaches.
Andrew Foster
You claimed I'm not proud of my ancestors being Polack killers from both sides. This insult cannot stand.
Carson Brooks
>Pure fighting we always win and u know it untermensch I always thought this was because of a structural advantage that Russia has over other european countries, namely the size and the numbers. Only look at how much territory Germany was able to conquer
Nathan Foster
You should know Hans. :D :D
Austin Rivera
Mostly because of Communism. Communism is against traditionalism and preserving national/ethnic identity. Not only was there no effort to preserve Slavic remains i believe they were also a target.
Kayden Sullivan
It's less that they don't have it and more that fewer of the original sources survived throughout history, with the influence of communism having done its part to erode identity over almost a houndred years.
Luis Reyes
Ah, now I understand. Well, some people have a hard time admitting failures of the past and coming to terms with a dramatic collapse of the nation, a blank point
>Be german >get your territory reduced by like 9 centuries
>Do slavs really need a rich tradition? they're the second largest ethnic group in Europe, so I find it weird that it has no developed tradition
Aiden Sanders
polska dindu butshek detected
Eli Lee
Because commies.
Aiden Hughes
This.
Evan Peterson
Because most of what you know of Germanic pagan tradition isn't actually Germanic pagan tradition, it's 19th century national romanticism. Vikings didn't wear those horned helmets, that was just stuff Wagner invented and so on.
Slavs didn't really have a national romanticism so they didn't go through the same process of inventing tons of art and literature based on a few surviving bits of information about their pagan culture.
Finns caught the national romanticism bug from Germanics of course but it just produced a lot of memes because we never could decide between we wuz mongols, we wuz goths, we wuz chinks, we wuz sumerians and all other camps. Plus Finnic paganism was still kind of alive in remote villages then so we have much more information about it than Germanics or Slavs.
Carter Nguyen
I think this has a fairly large part to play in what OP is speaking about. Then again, now Germans and western Europe are being governed by a new socialist entity (the EU) and they are themselves at the forefront of destroying national identities of Europe while the Slavic parts of Europe are trying to hold on to their identity. Interesting how the tides turn but that is the way Europe has worked for a long, long time.
Lincoln Cox
slavic mythology is the same as german with different names.
Josiah Taylor
I think the mongols fucked everything up when they conquered you guys, but I don't think that fuly explains it. They rules a few generations though.
Tyler Wilson
Fuck of Finland, you are not even germanic or slavic, noone is sure where you guys came from.
Cooper Lee
I've actually heard it said that Europe always comes in two extremes; one expressed by Germanics and one by Slavs. Good on you for having gotten the lucky draw this time around.
Carter Cook
Did you know that a regular city of the same size of the Auswitch camp had the same number of crematory ovens?
Juan Torres
This one has a proxy and tries to incite hatred upon the germans. A german wouldn't write like that.
They merged the 3 russian kingdoms into 1 entity which still exists today. Without the mongols there wouldn't be a russia today.
Isaiah Cox
Noone cares lol
Grayson Anderson
Calm down Hans, I love Germanic national romanticism as an art movement. But it's not true at all that Germanics had more surviving traditions than Slavs, you just had an intellectual movement to fill the gaps and make lots of new stuff.
Reinventing is really better than preserving anyway, it's not like pagans had anything useful to say about modern life in industrial cities.
Jack Johnson
>What is the role of the Slavs in Europe?
To squat.
Tyler Turner
How much vodka to start dancing like that
Adrian Scott
Slavic Europe has a rich pagan past, it is just obscured, lost, forgotten etc. because of Christianity. There is a lot that we don't know and that is entirely misunderstand and misrepresented in modern society about Germanic paganism as well. People think of Vikings as these cartoonishly brutish men drinking beer out of horns and running into battle yelling "THOR GIVE ME POWER!!!". But they did not battle everyday or even a lot really, and they didn't even believe Thor (or any other deity) to "literally" exist as a man with a hammer who was "literally" up in the sky somewhere smacking a hammer down. It was a symbol for storms and thunder. They knew thunder and storms exist- therefore Thor did exist. Period. The way modern people, especially most "neo-pagans" view Germanic spirituality and mythology is embarrassingly "Christian" and "Hollywood" even.
Kevin Long
Murifat gets it for once
Jeremiah Bell
That is very clearly a humanized horse
Adrian Thompson
My mother had been living in Vyatka for a third of her life before she moved to Moscow and her branch of my ancestry is made up of pure northeastern slavs (descending from the Vyatichi tribe probably).
She told me stories about numerous followers of rodnoverie (the name of slavic pagan religion interpretation is Russian) and various other interpretations in rural areas of Vyatka. This is due to the fact that christianity was late to reach these areas due to harsh climate and terrain, thus paganism still exists there to a certain degree.
About your specific question, well, germanic people were clearly defined politically and socially, while slavs were always divided.
Ethan Turner
Well Romanticism was all about the pagan inspiration
Nevertheless it seems to me that especially the Germans were much more aware of their pagan roots and it resonated among people
You have Teutoburg, the idea of Germania as the area that has to destroy the "Rome"
Slavs didn't have these things and polish poets and writers of the romantic period have left a lot of works that relate to slavic roots
Justin Turner
Those horns are made in hollywood, norsemen used a horn to drink mead.
Levi Long
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Caleb Thomas
They are our last hope against islam and the left
Joseph Cooper
Basically Germanic society was literate to some degree before Christianization, and Christianized voluntarily. In the Slavic countries they were illiterate and converted at swordpoint.
Germanic society was not Christianized voluntarily. They were bribed, fooled, duped, threatened etc. and mostly it was a "slow process" as in even the ones who said "Okay, I'll recognize your foreign God"- continued to practice paganism but pretended or gradually practiced Christianity alongside it for political and social purposes.
Hudson Ramirez
>They merged the 3 russian kingdoms into 1 entity which still exists today What 3 kingdoms? we had like gorillion small principalities when mogols invaded, a bit less after because they wiped out over half of them. Moscow managed to unify russians eventually and BTFO mongols.
Joseph Jackson
What do you think about fomenko and his view on mongols?
Connor Collins
I think my countryman is confused and thinks there was white Russia, small Russia and great Russia as kingdoms before Mongols.
They never developed a alphabet nor had significant impact upon the rest of Europe, except some raids, prior the christianization.
Lincoln Butler
The guy is math professor making up historical stuff that sells. I can't take him seriously.
Juan Perry
Isn't russian people fault that buy into that kind of crap? He would be pennyless if he had zero sales.
Austin Hernandez
Half Europe is slav though
Jordan Cook
Because we decided christianity was cool and said fuck you to the past unlike barbarians
Xavier Sanders
(South) Slavs had huge impact on Europe. You don't understand what Europe meant at that time. Eastern Roman Empire fought a lot of wars with Slavs, and ERE was center of Europe at that time. France, Germany, and rest were pretty irrelevant at that time. Anyway OP is wrong, a lot of Slavic culture survived, for example in 19th century Croatia you still had ancient Slavic customs practiced. But as someone above said, a large part of Germanic mythology is from 19th century.
Jacob Diaz
i dont know about that. people today legitimately beleive jesus is watching them masturbate i woudlnt put it past people of the past to really beleive thor was an actual entity that they could potentially interact with
Justin Gray
I can smell the jew from here
Gabriel Diaz
Poles were the jewish best allies back in the days, so being glad if a pole die is not wrong
Luke Jenkins
As for Slavs being some subhumans: Slavs are literally the wall of Europe that has shielded it from Islam for a millenia. Russia removed so much kebab and rekt the ottoturks so many times it's ridiculous. Croats and Serbs, along with non slavic Hungarians were protecting the Austrian - Ottoman border for centuries; the pope literally called Croatia "The bullwark of Christianity" (this even has a wikipedia page). Not to mention Poland's involvement in 1683 which is on par with the victory at Tours. Without Slavs dying on the fringes of the continent so that Western and Northern Euros can do useful shit like invent everything modern, you get what you have today: the so called elite übermensch Britbongs, Germanics and Frenchies voluntarily taking in as many Arabs, Turks, Pakis, niggers and other subhumans and gloriously reaping what they sew, without doing much against it because it would be "wrong". Meanwhile the V4 told the EU to fuck off with refugee quotas.
As for why there's not much mythology left: Slavs converted to Christianity fairly early on, before they were able to write down any of the traditions, and later during the nationalist movements, they already had their Christian religions and didn't need pagan mumbo jumbo to boast about their überness or whatever. Also, lots was lost / supressed early on intentionally by Christians.
Dylan Powell
It's basically a conspiracy theory. People love them everywhere. Imagine someone writng book about Brasil colonizing Portugal and having brazilian colonies all over the world and how history was rewritten by spaniards and their jewish counterparts to keep you down.
Ryan Long
That's what I said with raids.
Slavs only become significant after christianization
We don't have much we wuz kangz epics because we were relatively peaceful people that mostly wanted to just live their lives and be fucking left alone, but various warring tribes surrounding us disagreed. Not unlike today really.
Blake Sullivan
>Peacefull
Please, stop
Blake Allen
No.
Landon Thomas
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Jaxon Williams
>Slavs only become significant after christianization Pre-chrisitan Rus played a part in Byzantium history and destroyed Khazar khaganate. We ruined the first jewish attempt to rebuild their state. Give us some credit.
Ryder Hall
>peaceful people >not backwards af
Literally not even Phrygian cap-tier sub-barbarians
Gavin Edwards
Bulgarian paganism and tengrism is still famous in our national identity from what I have seen. History books also stress it.
Also this
Julian Lewis
wew lad
noiceone
Kayden Lopez
A)Slavs were just too similar to their neighbors, see: "vikings" probably got inspired by bare-naked, drug frenzy "wolf-warriors". There were Slavic pirates - "chąsnicy". viking is a term for a raider, reaver - Slavs were raiding shit left and right WITH and AGAINST other Slavs and Scands alike. B) It's not a well-researched topic^ I bet you didn't heard about it. It's even obscure here. C)There's a quite strong theory, based on linguistics, that's actually the West is borrowing words from the East, not the other way around.
Slavic mythology is probably not that well know for reason: it's not exotic enough, it's "subpar" to the Western Occident-centric scholar, there are no written sources.
Why? Probably because my forefathers used wood for EVERYTHING. This usually, barred some specific conditions(Novgorod birch tree tablets in muddy clay), backfires and leaves no signs.
That doesn't mean this will be left forever - our knowledge is constantly expanded with new discoveries.
We also don't know exactly what is a Slav proper. Quite likely it has a Sarmatian/Scytian/Aryan substratum. There's still a debate, whether Slavs are "invaders" or "invaded" - and it starts to point to the latter.
Carter Phillips
>We ruined the first jewish attempt to rebuild their state. >implying they were ever exiled from Israel
Fug, this fairy tale is the worst fucking thing. They were never exiled from Israel, just as they were never Egyptian slaves. Romans didn't "exile" people, just as Egyptians didn't randomly enslave entire nations.
Why do the Juhs always have to exaggerate historical events so hard?
During the Chechen wars our army shelled entire houses full with mudslimes. They were told to either give out the terrorist scum or army will bomb the house with everyone inside. Simple as that.
That is the only proper way of treating muslims. They are the breed incapable of logic, they respect only raw power, which they fear.
Adrian Thompson
>What is Perun? >What is Svargo? >What is Baba Yaga? I could go on.
Andrew Garcia
>Sarmatian/Scytian/Aryan I've actually met some Iranian nationalists who claim Russians/Ukrainians/Poles as "their people" based on this.
Thomas Reed
Yeah, and then Gemans started to exterminate us from the very fuckin day one of the war. Because Hitler was Pilsudski fanboy.
What a bull of crap, Eire.
Anthony Howard
Baba yaga is spooky. Grandma used to pretend as her and then blow my belly. Spoopy
Isaac Morales
>Slavic mythology is probably not that well know for reason: it's not exotic enough We got 3-headed dragons and our main bad guy Kaschey is basically an undead king. How coщl is that? Can west even compete?
Logan Gray
>I've actually met some Iranian nationalists who claim Russians/Ukrainians/Poles as "their people" based on this.
I've actually met turkish nationalists in person when I was in vacation in germany that claimed western roman empire on share wolf mythology and catholic cross is from central asia tengrism.
Joshua Rivera
Don't forget Pokémon Sun and Moon likely adapts them as the new Legendary Pokémon, so expect interest in Slavic mythology to spike in a few months.
Adam Moore
Spoken like true white trash, nigger.
Cameron Morales
Some eastern people do look slavic as fuck. Who knows.
Jordan Ramirez
Back in our "Golden Era" our noblemen came with an idea - WE WUZ SARMATIANS. It got ridiculed in the Enlightenment and ever since.
But genes don't lie. There's a link bright as day - yet it's very hard to interpret it correctly - such as was it a nationwide, or just a ruling class? The vector of migration - West or East?
Ancient Indian texts say it came form the West - Ancient Persians/self-proclaimed Aryans(people) Iranians - said it came from the West. To the West there's only Slavs/Sarmatians.
Well, for some reason, Sanskrit words that Hindis couldn't ever (EVER) decipher can be deciphered in some/majority of cases using basic knowledge of Polish (probably the most pure form of Slavic at its core, not boasting).
There's something in here - and it it glorious - no matter what it is in the end.
David Thompson
>So why is it this way? The christians did what both AQ and ISIS has done, and ISIS still do. They try to wipe out any traces off the past, and past religion.
Here we had some firesouls that saw our previous customs fade, and the poems one recided by hand for milennia in cases.. started to vanish.
So they started writing it down. Many we don't know the author of, but the icenigger Snorri Sturlasonur wrote shitloads.
So in this way it's preserved in the eddas, hávamál, many other old poems of different kinds. And you got the sagas, which contains a lot of details around many customs, many of pol would puke of prolly kek.
Well my theory. Did the christians burn, remove and not write down history and your pagan stories/myths/lore ? I bet this is it isn't it? They succeeded deleting it?
Not all was kept here ofc. Funny shit is that at IE greenland when shit turned bad, they killed the bishop and returned to the old ways. I'm tired and baked and don't bother to verify, but I think it was in 13xx a bishop was sent back when this was learned, to christian them again. He never returned, but it looks like he ended up down in markland where people had moved. See Kensington runestone, it matches what we know of this story. If I'm not confusing two.
Also not pracitcing heathen here, read most shit, and read the old tongue and iceniggerish etc. Soon 20 years since I started reading.
Christopher Long
>Slavs are literally the wall of Europe that has shielded it from Islam
And mongols
Tyler Richardson
Haha I remember being scared as a child into behaving with threats that Baba Yaga would get me.
The Slavic pagan religions are very deep and complex and are so close to the identity of Slavs that despite christianity's outright destruction and suppression of every pagan they could find it still survives in these everyday myths and bogeyma that no where else exist.
I recall the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth tolerated pagans for a long time, so if any sources regarding Slavic paganism exist they probably come from there.
I tried to do research on this, looked at amazon, I found no cheap or accessible books but quite a few rare and $100+ text books on pre-christian Slav religion.
It's really fascinating as a subject, I just wish I had a more concrete and scholarly source to use aside from my parent's folktales.
I mean, the Norse have the Eddas and Greeks have the Epic Poems, etc. but Slavs don't have much beyond oral tradition...
Nolan Green
3(multi)headed dragons are a common Indoeuopean MEME.
Funny thing - phoenix. It's not a Greek invention - maybe a Cretan one, still- no etymology. But guess who has those birds too?
Slavs.
Raróg - Żarptak - a firebird. Even this "etymology-less word" can be backtraced to płomień - "fire".
It's hiding in plain sight, all of this. A great clusterfuck of ignorance, lies and arrogance.
Jacob Garcia
just look up old slav children fairytale books they are rooted pretty deep into old hearsay traditions