Hi Sup Forums. I am writing paper about woman achievements. I would like focus my topic on music...

Hi Sup Forums. I am writing paper about woman achievements. I would like focus my topic on music. Can you please name 5 genres started by women that lasted for more than 10 years? Thank you.

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>Emo originated as an outgrowth of the hardcore punk[3] scene of early 1980s Washington, D.C., both as a reaction to the increased violence within the scene and as an extension of the personal politics espoused by Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat
he is male

get a load of this misogynist bigot

No.

Technically, women started all genres, since they gave birth to the creators.

noggin's joggin'

nothing op women have always been followers not leaders. the only genres they started were exclusive only to women and fizzled out within ~5 years

the outrage when you point this out is telling, since it doesn't actually have anything to do with individuals, but as collectivists they're required to play pretend it's 100% socialization so they don't have to play by their rules

LADS WHAT THE FUCK WHY CANT I THINK OF A SINGLE ONE?

>woman achievements

what is that like an xbox thing?

Your question is bad. Defining musical achievement as starting a genre is extremely limiting. Not all musical achievements have to be revolutionary or cutting edge. Just Google 'female composers' if you want a long list of female musical achievements. Some of my favorite female composers are Caroline Shaw, Meredith Monk, Ruth Crawford Seeger, Laurie Anderson, Amy Beach, Bjork, and Anna Meredith.

ok forget the paper can you name five women that started musical genres that lasted for more than 10 years? just five

>Defining musical achievement as starting a genre is extremely limiting
Yet every single musical genre was invented by a male. So I guess it's not that limiting.

Not a terrible list of female composers, though, besides meme-picks Laurie Anderson and Bjork. Caroline Shaw is a great pick, she's my literal waifu. You're also missing Saariaho

just five

Yes, we've already established that. What's your angle?

Rock

Genre is a construct used for categorization and is absolutely useless. Learn to talk about craftsmanship you fuck

this one really highlights what a stupid question it is

Blues, Jazz, and Gospel was all pretty female orientated early on and has had a ton of effect on other artists.

do lesbians count as real women in the context of this question

is that kubrick made to look like the baby grinch from the jim carrey movie?

Kate Bush innovated Art Pop

no angle it's just revelatory that people with vaginas are biologically incapable of creating artistic genres. perhaps this means that art is inherently masculine
>Chuck Berry invented rock and roll in 1955. He was a black man playing black music. But times had changed: white kids were listening to rhythm and blues throughout the Northeast, and white musicians were playing rhythm and blues side to side with country music.

sister rosetta tharpe didnt do rock she did Gospel, Traditional Black Gospel, Blues, Spirituals

>categorization is useless
its a way to separate movements from each other. people who are against labelling things are mentally handicapped and should be put in loonie bins where they're forcefed ritalin every other hour. you probably think the term "renaissance" is meaningless too. fucking retard
>oriented
not the question. also they're all invented by men.
yeah

tell me what it means to invent a genre

Why are ignorant imbeciles like yourself allowed to participate in intellectual threads like this? Take a musical history class and stop talking out of your ass.

and no, there's nothing "revelatory" about that. that's like the dominant view for all human history

>>Chuck Berry invented rock and roll in 1955. He was a black man playing black music. But times had changed: white kids were listening to rhythm and blues throughout the Northeast, and white musicians were playing rhythm and blues side to side with country music.
Tharpe predated him by almost 20 years lmao.
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>inb4 "that isn't real rock!!"

gee it's almost like the idea of someone inventing a musical genre is fucking stupid to begin with

Journalists invent genres, not musicians.

>tell me what it means to invent a genre
be the first to innovate music in a way that influences generations of people influenced by your ingenuity. "rock" isn't a new genre so much as it is a fusion of other genres that preceded it. to invent a genre doesn't mean to create something that is wholly original
oh it is user. you have no idea how taboo of a fact this is to point out
not rock. go read a book

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No one person started any musical genre, so don't do that. Mention great female musicians, such as Kim Deal, Kim Gordon, Jarboe, Bjork, Patti Smith, PJ Harvey, and whoever else.

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>not a single post that mentions five genres started by women

>intellectual
do you know where you are?

>kim gordon
>great
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAH

vaporwave

Exactly

provincial fucktard

Have you even listened to Daydream Nation or Confusion is Sex?

yea

>not rock
of course, it's actually rock n' roll

you sound like you can't decide if you've uncovered some grand terrifying secret that we can't handle or you're just telling people common knowledge

Chuck Berry pioneered the act of recording yourself farting on a hooker so at least he's got that going for him.

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Ok mu lets show this misogynistic pig OP that he's wrong! Women are great. Let's post five women that innovated prior genres of music in a way that influenced generations of musicians! Come on let's do it!

>masculine """"""""innovations""""""""""

only fagnorms listen to genre music

If you still think she's not great after that, you're an idiot

ok wow she can sing and rock like a punk! shes so fantastic. now, can you name five female musicians that invented genres?

only fags listen to music

Kim Gordon - noise rock, post punk
Bjork - various electronic genres
Jarboe - post rock
Patti Smith - punk
Kim Deal - grunge, alternative rock

OK let's make this a little easier, can you guys name five genres invented by people who aren't heterosexual males? Just five

I reject the premise of this question - not out of any particular sociological conviction but rather because it's retarded. A 10 year genre started by a single performer is nonsense. However, what ever Beyonce does has a rhyming history. Work backwards through MoTown and Jazz. Finish with Hildegard of Bingen like the professor wants. Learn something and get your A. But the premise is still retarded.

Ok mu lets show these nu male cucks that they're wrong! women are shit. they didn't even innovate prior genres of music in a way that influenced generations of musicians. such useless creatures

genreshit is not music

if you think they were all the first people to do that genre of music then you need to listen to a lot more music buddy

You don't invent genres, genre labels are created by music journalists as descriptions, no one artist can create a genre. The Velvet Underground didn't create punk, yet they were a huge influence on it. They're just as important to punk as whoever you would call the "first" punk band.

>oh shit, i'm gonna have to move those goalposts
for one thing, actually listen to people from that scene talk about patti smith.

I don't think they were the first to do those genres, I think they just were huge innovators in those genres.

FINALLY someone with some sense

his premise is just the foundation of an existing conclusion

Forgot Tina Weymouth

just five user i know you can do it
your moving the goal post. the point of this thread is to name five women who were the first to make music in whatever genre journalists later tacked onto later
are you thickskulled or something? kim gordon wasnt the first to do noise rock, bjork wasnt the first to do ANYTHING, jarboe wasnt the first to do post rock, patti smith wasnt the first to do punk and kim deal sure as fuck wasnt teh first to do grunge
just five. just name five women who were the first to make music in 5 different genres

so youre not gonna address ? cool

Let's say there is an answer. Do you accept it? No.

yeah because you don't know what innovation means

genre music is not music and only homosexuals and fags disagree

i think OP wanted to make this thread because he gets laid a lot

yes i will. im actually shocked at the fact that there hasn't even been an attempt to prove me wrong. i don't want it to be true user believe me
you will die of disease at an early age

i don't know bud, but this isn't the best way to take out your frustration of not being able to get a gf

im not a genrequeer so at least it wont be aids lole

Yeah, it's not a fucking secret that women haven't been as prominent in music and that they have a biological tendency towards following. We can talk about that. Your obsessive premise though? Autism.

I'm a girl and I just invented dream bop
My friends also invented acid shoe, lone drone, post-life, and cool gaze.
That's five, fella.

Miles Davis was one of the most innovative musicians of all time, yet he didn't create any genres. This whole thread is invalid.

>it's not a fucking secret that women haven't been as prominent in music
ok this is where i wanted us to go. would you say women haven't been as prominent in art as a whole?
>Your obsessive premise though? Autism.
yes
just five user

>dream pop
>riot grrl
>vocal jazz
>vaporwave
>(mostly) post punk
next question

>just five
see men eternally btfo

they haven't, did you just come out of a cave or something?

just now realized shes putting her head through a cutout, this whole time I thought she was wearing some sort of helmet

Industrial
EBM
Vaporwave

That's all i got

If you wanted to take this beyond JUST FIVE JUST FIVE JUST FIVE you should have done it yourself earlier. I already acknowledged biological differences anyway.

>did you just come out of a cave or something?
yes
>they haven't
ok now that we've established that they havent done shit worthy of anything in art is it fair to say that they should stick to the only thing they know.. raising kids? and if so, does this mean that they shouldn't even discuss art since you already said they can't make it without copying other people. so now that we've established they shouldnt discuss that which they cannot make, would it be illogical to assert that they should literally shut the fuck up when it comes to anything other than taking care of the family?
industrial was made by man. ebm is a subgenre of a genre made by man. vaporwave was made by mentally ill SSRI-ridden >50% BPA soyboys who are confused about everything because they stay at home on their computers consuming foreign animated television series about inconsequential happenings to infantile looking characters

Hey Sup Forums why hasn't [historically oppressed group] made more of [medium that requires free time and socioeconomic freedom] than white men like myself?


Maybelle Carter - invented fingerpicking style, pioneered rural country:
>Perhaps the most remarkable of Maybelle's many talents was her skill as a guitarist. She revolutionized the instrument's role by developing a style in which she played melody lines on the bass strings with her thumb while rhythmically strumming with her fingers. Her innovative technique, to this day known as the Carter Scratch, influenced the guitar's shift from rhythm to lead instrument.

Ma Rainey - one of the first blues singers

Kim Deal and the Pixies were the ones who made the sound of the 90s.

>ok now that we've established that they havent done shit worthy of anything in art
we went from not inventing whole genres to that? i'm out

>why hasn't [historically oppressed group]
source?

>78 / 8 / 23 / 1
If you assholes are going to shitpost this hard to a Kubrick+Grinch macro then I'm going back to /diy/ and /fit/. Debbie Harry made millions of young MTV lads fap in the shower with 808s and rap in their head. Call it whatever genre you will, but middle aged men in the square states are still pissed about the coke and blowjobs they never got in the 1980s.

Pornogrind.

You haven't disproven the part about heterosexual males

>but middle aged men in the square states are still pissed about the coke and blowjobs they never got in the 1980s.
what a legacy to leave behind

No?

Source? You need proof that women have been historically oppressed? Are you fucking retarded?

>ok now that we've established that they havent done shit worthy of anything in art is it fair to say that they should stick to the only thing they know.. raising kids? and if so, does this mean that they shouldn't even discuss art since you already said they can't make it without copying other people. so now that we've established they shouldnt discuss that which they cannot make, would it be illogical to assert that they should literally shut the fuck up when it comes to anything other than taking care of the family?
Can't believe I stuck around this entire thread for this

They didn't start getting the right to vote until recently in history. What's that? Suffrage is actually oppression? Wait...

when /r9k/ floods out

can you explain to me how not having the right to something you're not biologically endowed to is 'oppression'?

go back to r9k, you loser

If you genuinely believe this and aren't trolling, I feel sorry for you