People demandin/hoping for war from the US

>People demandin/hoping for war from the US
Call me a cuck etc. I'm cool with that but whenever I hear Americans racking on civilians fleeing from a warzone, or recommend military action in some third world shithole, I can't shake the impression that the US had never had a modern war fought on home soil. The most traumatic experience in the past 80 years were likely 9/11 or Pearl Harbor, which eclipse in comparison to the massacres seen throughout European cities during WWII for example.

Bombing of Dresden with a death toll over 20,000 people most suffocating due to the lack of breathable air from the fire storm.

Entire cities and towns wiped out within a day. The US I feel is partially lacking the collective memory and horror of war fought on home soil.

If you served sure, there will be a better understanding of the capabilities of a modern war. Throughout Europe many families still have long lists of fallen, children due to rapes from the occupying powers, grandparents which remember cowering in cellars with buckets of sand to extinguish the incendiary bombs used to start the fire storms within cities.

While the US is the largest military power worldwide, it lacks experience and conscience from the population toward the consequences of a large scale conflict and the influence on the civilian population this has.

Now call me a faggot and cuck, or disprove me.

fair point well made, as you were.

A land invasion of the US will never happen. Our navy is too strong and Canada and Mexico are simply too weak. A nuclear exchange, on the other hand, will destroy the US on the simple fact that no one knows how to survive without technology. Even an EMP blast will be enough to send the US into anarchy.

thank you
i can't believe i'm saying this but did Sup Forums become more civil?

I've had actual and productive discussions tonight, its fucking weird

they just got lucky during WW2, first instead of fight, they make as much money as possible, then they get rekt by japan for it, which was pretty fucking fair imo, its not like they were not participating, they were making shitloads of cash from it, then they rush in and steal russias victory over the nazis, stealing the scientists - the German scientists of which are responsible for Americas greatest military technology to date.

Without the war USA would be poor
Without the Germans their tech would be nothing to speak of.

>implying that there were no mutual allegiances within the allied powers

I absolutely agree.
The geography of the US makes a war on home ground, except maybe a civil war, extremely unlikely.
My point though about the public perception of military action stands.

Absolutely, though I am happy they stole the Russian victory. My grandmother endured 40 years of the GDR and my father only 21 years. Without the Americans getting involved all of Germany, likely Europe would have been under Russian occupation making a timely collapse of the USSR less likely.

the idea of "recruiting" German scientists was actually pretty good, though a joint space program would have probably saved all sides a bunch of cash, also German rocket scientists would have been pretty unemployed post-war due to the restrictions on German armaments and technological capability.

Give us all your war tech so we can help you.
Radar took a huge leap and is the only thing coming to mind right now.

>A nuclear exchange, on the other hand, will destroy the US on the simple fact that no one knows how to survive without technology
Also nobody knows how to survive with heavy isotopes shitting out neutrons all over the goddamn place.

So Russia could attack Canada and have a massive border to attack from, or they could attack Mexico and do the same thing.

Although the reality is that you're getting nuked and no one is going to better with a land invasion.

>Without the Germans their tech would be nothing to speak of.
Yeah splitting the atom and developing fission into a practical weapon is nothing compared to muh Tiger and Sturmgewehr.

If the Americans didnt get involved, in any way. Germany would have won the war.

Tens of millions of people in the US can survive without technology. You might think the percent is low if you live in a city, where 99% of people are helpless.

Can we get a translation on this?

Guess who discovered those things

>Now disprove me.

Well there's nothing to disprove. The US has never fought a war on its own soil in modern times.

>Tens of millions of people in the US can survive without technology. You might think the percent is low if you live in a city, where 99% of people are helpless.
Yeah I heard that Hank Jr. Song too. A Country Boy Can Survive, Except When The Water is Full of Strontium-90

Enrico Fermi. An Italian born American scientist working at U of Chicago.
>Buying into the myth of the Squarehead Ubermensch.

Nah, Russia would have got em eventually. Not that that's a good thing.

The US never experienced an actual war on its territory. The collective population does not understand the consequences to the extent the European does.

Lol u fucking wot mate

Yeah down here in Louisiana where we gots dem sneks and dem swamps but also tons of forest and farm land and wild life we're pretty good on food and shelter. When the hurricanes come, we'll have a lot of trouble but hopefully some structures would still be standing. Good thing like half our population owns a boat. We're fine without power. It would be a dramatic change but we're okay for the most part if something like that happens.

>The US is dumb because it is good at war

You seriously don't know Americans built the first sustained nuclear reactor?

>simple fact
stopped reading

fuck off faggot

probably,
i wouldn't want to live in germany if we did win tbh

without the second front the US opened, Britain couldn't have maintained its war effort for long. With a potential British surrender Germany would have had almost free reign in Africa permitting sufficient supply of oil and ores. Germany's technological advantage and increased support to japanese would increasingly have pressured the USSR, from there on I'm unsure, but the possibility is very real that the US would end their lend lease agreement to attempt a reconciliation with Germany, Britain had surrendered in this hypothetical, to maintain an ally within Europe and thereby also limit the Soviet threat.

all hypothetical but the US joining the war was significant/vital for Britain to continue

War is fault everyday on is soil. WE OWN THE WORLD

>We're fine without power.
Everybody's fine without power when they glow in the dark.

I highly doubt that, if you remove the lend-lease from the equation, as in 17.5 million tons of military equipment

That wasnt the argument

why is war wrong just because you don't like killing? why does it matter if anyone else is right if no one can stop us?

what is it to be right? i don't think you know, and if you do, i don't think you can make anyone care

we're a species meant to kill, its just nature

producing in the order of watts in power.
Not to downplay the achievement but it was build under a squash field iirc and the theories came from Marie-Curie, Einstein etc.

The US never had a modern war on its soil due to geography.
There is a difference

tell me where i'm wrong then I will

>kek

which would likely not happened in case of Brits surrendering

When was the last time Europeans had an actual war on their territory? Most people that experienced it are dead.

Your argument is
>Germans are science Gods
Mine is:
Briton Frank Whittle developed jet engines at the same time as von Ohain.
Germans discovered Plutonium but did not build a reactor to control fission or weaponize the element
Germans had better rockets during the war, but they are a long way from having invented them.
America would be fine without German tech. In fact the Russians probably got the better end of the deal when the war ended since their tech was far behind either German or Western Allies'.

>producing in the order of watts in power.
>Thinking the reactor was an electrical generation device
You can't synthesize large amounts of Plutonium or U-235 without a controlled reaction. Boiling water with fission rods is just a perk way down the road.

World war 1 and 2 are still a lot more recent than the civil war.

A lot of people are still alive from the war and cities are still being rebuild.

Bombs are found daily when clearing fields, dredging rivers or at regular building sites.

On going investigations and searching for crashed planes, recoving the bodies and giving them a proper burial.

People are being reminded about the war constantly, if not daily.

You are all crazy. We have the most air weaponry and can take out the entire goddamn world. 4/10 homes are armed, and they probably have enough to arm every citizen. We have tons of rednecks that can get anything done. All the people that helped out in the last storms are the type of people that would turn and rek any invagers. Most of the time conflict isn't in anyone's interest. Think about that before you provoke the USA.

That doesnt even remotely address anything OP said.

Also it's cute that you people think that you think your citizens are any kind of army to be considered when a nation like Russia rolls in.

>when a nation like Russia rolls in.
Really? Is that why they're negotiating the surrender of Kiev?

As if that is any kind of indication about anything at all.

>A far smaller nation on the Russian border successfully fights the Russians to a halt even when infested with Fifth Columnists.
>Implying It will be far easier for Russia to land an invasion force on the other side of the world to fight a nation with triple the population starting with enough small arms for the entire people, half of whom were trained from birth to regard "Russian" as a synonym for "Devil"
Yeah okay.

Compare that to the US, last actual military conflict on US soil was the Civil War, fought with muskets and cavalry charges.

Comparison to WWII within Europe. 20000 dead in a single night during a single organized bombing raid on Dresden.

I can walk through every second german town and count the houses destroyed by bombings, this with the now 70-75 year old growing up in post war germany, and the stories you heard from grandparents. The US might be great at winning wars but the population hasn't experienced war.

>Most people that experienced it are dead.
exactly my point one side of my family lost 3 sons, on the other side my grandfather put a bullet through his leg to escape the eastern front. Everytime I hear Americans joke about the third reich and nazis, i just notice that there is no gauge on what the actions of an o so funny character as Hitler actually did to Europe, my home country and my family. You(not you in person but representative of the US) think its funny but get your panties in a twist over 9/11. The most significant event of the 21st century for the US didn't even reach past 3000 dead, that was a casual bombing run to both Axis and Allied bombers. Attack on pearl harbor? barely 2500.

Why we haven't had more wars in central Europe? because hopefully we learned that an inflated national pride and absurd reparation demands will never be worth the number of human lives lost. The area between Germany and France has seen more deaths than any other place world wide. We have butchered each other for the past 300 years deaths numbering in the hundreds of millions. Finally we have 70 years of peace, healthy relations to our neighbors and are coming towards a true Union of Europe, and then little American shits take the liberty to try and shit all over it. Well try personally I am happy about the situation

Watts is a unit of power applicable to anything giving out energy, wether thermal, elctric or other.

As if things going on around Ukraine is anything more than games.

But they never experienced it. So they have no clue what it was like. My MiL was born in the Gulag. Many of her family were killed. I have no idea what that's like....neither do you

Perhaps Finland was a game? Afghanistan? Don't ever invade the Motherland, but Russia sucks at power projection. Russian armies travel about as well as the taste for fermented rye bread juice.

An armed populus might be good for defence but not for the population.
Any invading force will be able to use this to commit atrocities against 4/10 people in the US as they were paramilitary groups fighting without uniform thus acting outside the Geneva convention iirc.

But none of that was my point. I intended to explain why the US is more likely to enter a war than its European counterparts. The population will be more accepting of this. I know that the likelihood of any significant conflict on US ground is close to 0, bar civil war, you guys are working hard on that one, but I never claimed otherwise.

>Why the hell would Germany intentionally provoke the US?
It's much easier exploiting you guys economically and letting you pay for our defense :P

We havent, but we still see the aftermath from this war, we still hear the stories from family members, visit the graves of lost family members. Commemorate the soldiers that liberated us, visit the museums about the war that are everywhere.

Its an entirely different perspective on war that of the horny for war Americans, who glorify war and their soldiers as if theyre fucking heroes for dropping out of college, kill some people on the other side of the planet because they were told to do so, and suffer from traumas and/or injuries for the rest of their lives, for fucking nothing as they're just pawns.

And just look at how extremely butthurt the US gets over Pearl harbor, practically the only attack you had to deal with, a well though out attack on a military target, the response was equal to a kid flipping the entire table when he's losing at a board game, and yet there are still Americans who are mad at the Japanese for pearl harbor after you fucking nuked their civilians.

Your a fucking idiot, land invasion isn't a thing with actual world super powers. We wouldn't get in a land war with Russia. That shit is just something super powers do to 3rd world shit holes to come rape their resources. There's going to be laser beams in space soon. Only reason we don't vaporize countries like Iraq and Afghanistan is because the rest of the world would be horrified.

Thinking red neck are good for anything but taking bullets on the front lines from camel jockeys. If we ever fought Russia or China it would be with super weapons. The nerdy engineer is more powerful than an army of special forces

Just ask the engineers on the Manhattan project, single handedly ended WW2 and saved millions of Americans with math and physics. Meat head Rambo wanna bes couldn't fuck with that in a million years.

>Know what I'm on a roll here let's keep going.
While trump is somewhat right about Germany letting the US take care of its defense, if Germany had spent the demanded 2% of GDP on its Military in 2013, that would haved equalled the Russian spending on their non-nuclear arsenal. If this spending was maintained for any significant time you would have an unparalleled potential threat IN THE MIDDLE OF EUROPE. While our current political climate does not favour a war, the development within German politics is unsure especially if such military strength is available.

Call us Cucks and Yuropoor all you like but the truth is we have experienced the most bloody conflicts within years of each other over tiny strips of land. You boast your military might?
That's easy if one is isolated from any major opponents by hundreds of kilometers of water and ice. The reality is far less heroic, Hitler had made significant mistakes. Anyone wishing/hoping/yearning for this regime, by bearing its emblems or shouting its mantras is a moron who has no idea about the reality of life in the third Reich. The fucktards carrying swastikas during protests wouldn't have lasted a week. Being among the first in the Gas Chambers either being deemed Assozial. Your country is blinded by ignorance and arrogance, unaware of what the reality of a war means for a population. There is no glory or pride in national socialist ideology. The United States joining WWII to end the reign of the NSDAP is among its greatest achievements. Even after that preventing reparations a la Treaty of Versailles was smart and highly worthy of praise but the following decades have caused your arrogance to blind you and think your military power will protect you from any harm.

By being unable to differentiate party and policy, following the demagogue and not understanding that trump had no idea about policy and politics you increasingly undermine the foundations of your own Republic.

>Everybody's fine without power when they glow in the dark.
Perfect dubs post, nice dude.

But yeah sadly radiation would be a fucking terrible problem for everyone. We'd all be fucked.

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying, Trump is by far not a Nazi or similar to Hitler, he is far too stupid for this, but rather I'm critisizing the type of morons whom "memed" him into office. You are the idiots too blinded and aligned to political parties and not sensible policy, not understanding that Trump never intended to fullfill his promises only helping himself and his kind.

You castrate your own democracy because you hold certain centuries old rules intended for farmers and your idiotic 2 party system along with the perversion that the electoral college is in too high regard. Why does the world scoff at the US?

You were a country founded by failed farmers. This is completely fine but you never truly developed past this. You keep elections on a Tuesday, even though it prevents large parts of the population from voting. You keep the electoral College even though it permits the losing Candidate to win. You don't overhaul your system of political parties. You call yourself the home of freedom yet your population lives with a gigantic class divide and a permanent fear of injury or illness because not even basic healthcare is entirely assured. You have LITERALLY poisoned your own Wells and still have not prosecuted the responsible.

You are the herald of freedom and Democracy in the World?

How come that the political debate is quite literally a bunch of idiots too stupid to get a proper torch march setup and a bunch of leftist antidemocratic unistudents screaming at each other and your two stupendous and enormous parties enabling these and scrambling for their votes. Not the left or right are the problem in the States. YOU FUCKING ARE. YOUR COUNTRY IS SHIT BECAUSE THE POPULATION IS INCAPABLE OF NUANCE AND PRODUCTIVE EXCHANGE,.

FOR SOME REASON YOU BELIEVE MILITARY MIGHT IS SUFFICIENT. WEVE BEEN THERE WEVE DONE THAT. GROW THE FUCK UP AND REFORM YOUR RETARDED COUNTRY FATASS

i'll be of to buy cigarettes.

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