>China spent itself to death making the great wall, it was penetrated immediately and repeatedly.
>The French made the Maginot Line, a wall-like fortification, because it was a fixed fortification, the Nazi's destroyed them
>What about the Berlin wall? Torn down, and gave us humanist-Socialist Merkel and millions of poles doing scrap jobs in london
Now usa plan to spend spend billions of dollars making an enormous wall...
imo the wall is unfeasible, wasteful and illogical.
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Build the wall, Paco.
But Mexico is paying
>The French made the Maginot Line
Haven't nazis, like, walked around through Belgium?
Mexico is paying for it O'Malley
Yes. OP has autism.
The Maginot Line would have worked if it didnt stop at fucking Belgium
We're keeping out poor uneducated people from a failing country not the trained armies from one of the two most successfully expansive militaries in history
The great wall of China saved millions of lives from mongol raiders, you fucking shill.
The Maginot line was never destroyed. The Nazis went around it because the French didn't bother extending it across Belgium as well.
Sage goes in all fields.
inadequate technology
The wall is to keep out economic migrants and refugees from south of Mexico - not an invading army.
Fuck off kike
>The wall is to keep out economic migrants and refugees from south of Mexico - not an invading army.
What difference, at this point, does it make?
I doubt a wall will truly be built. Instead smaller sections will probably be fortified and monitored more often than they currently are now. The bottomline is that people have completely missed the point about what the wall ultimately is. It's about people illegaly entering the country, regardless of their ethnic background. They are a drain on our system and have little regard for the laws of this country. Why do you think their country is such crap.
Migrants generally do not possess artillery
First of all, Nazis never penetrated the maginot line, they circumvented it through Belgium because French for some reason didn't build it until the sea.
And second, wall in XXI century by bulldozers using cheap concrete/steel/polymers is obviously not the same as in imperial China.
You are conveniently forgetting about walls that worked beautifully - in Israel, Between South and North Koreas etc.
Same shit with the great wall. Mongols went around it.
Israel av the wall why USA cant.
>Maginot Line
>expect its context to be improperly used/compared
>correct
Tell me the purpose of the Maginot line and why it worked spaghetti
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Systematic fortification would have stopped blitzkrieg in any of the invaded countries. Germans simply lacked the means to get through heavy fortifiations. Not sure if something like this was done with Maginot line, but i remember reading that after they captured our border fortifications (without firing a shot) they did some testing and found out they'd get rekt because they literally did not have weapons powerful enough to penetrate them.
It was kind of interesting actually. Before they could study the fortifications they calculated up to 50% casualties in the first waves. After they captured them they upped the ratio to 95%.
OP HERE
PLS STOP YOUR ILLOGICAL WORDS OR PEOPLE WON'T BELIEVE ME
I NEED MORE DUMB PEOPLE REEEEEEE
>Comparing armed invasions to border hopping spics
The great wall was mostly to stop raids, not full scale invasion
The germans went around Magniot line through belgium, not destroy it.
Sounds like we need the wall. mexican education sucks
The wall Trump is talking about is merely a compenent of an elevated rail system that will ride on top of the wall.
This ensures A.) No tunneling underneath, B.) Constant maintenance, C.) Federal trabsnsportation security, D.) More jobs (operating, servicing, supporting) E.) Constant monitoring, F.) Generate revenue, G.) Eco boner for the lefties
its a brilliant idea, I cant believe noone thought of this sooner.
Requesting the B.E.S.T. detail picture, you can only kinda see it here in this picture
Goddamn, Sweden, Yes!. There's so much wrong with this faggot OP I can't even begin.
Verbatim shillary post
No you are a retard.
All of those examples had to deal with war... this is simply an anti-immigration wall.
They are not going to be firing tank rounds, or scaling it to kill our guards. They are going to stand in front and say: "[upside down exclamation point x3]No es bueno!!!"
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>rail system that will ride on top of the wall.
>putting vital infrastructure right on your border
someone did not take their strategic security 101
Thank you, congrats on the dubs too.
>implying the wall needs to make sense
Your job is to build the wall, not understand or agree with the wall.
We have above-ground railways in Chicago that go underground at some points. Vital infrastructure on a wall will consistently be maintained and guarded, therefore people get to keep jobs instead of just going and building the wall. We're not going to be going to war with Mexico, so this is the best thing we can do to keep them out.
If you had built a wall maybe mohammed wouldn't have raped your ancestors so hard
What grade did you get in strategic security 101?
Why didnt you take AP border infrastructure in high school?
How vital is it really if we dont already have it?
>It was penetrated immediately and repeatedly
No it wasn't you stupid fuck
History only focuses on when it was penetrated is all
are you seriously saying that the mexican "military" is going to tear down the wall?
As I recall, Belgium didnt want france building it along thier border. But then when war broke out Belgium chose to be neutral & let the Germans through their country.
>american history education
>>China spent itself to death making the great wall, it was penetrated immediately and repeatedly.
Not true, it repelled invaders and created chokepoints
>>The French made the Maginot Line, a wall-like fortification, because it was a fixed fortification, the Nazi's destroyed them
Only because the french were outflanked by german armor that crossed the thick ardennes forest
>>What about the Berlin wall? Torn down, and gave us humanist-Socialist Merkel and millions of poles doing scrap jobs in london
it wasn't the berlin wall that failed, it was communism
Holy shit that "conductor" video is fucking nightmare fuel
agreed
There should be a 50 mile wide no go zone in Mexico. All cities in this zone should be cleared of inhabitants
Defense in depth
In all fairness Op never claimed the Maginot line was destroyed, He said the "Nazi's destroyed them" them being the french
>choose to be neutral and let the germans through the country
shit nigger what the fuck are you smoking
the germans bombed the shit out of the netherlands and belgium and quickly occupied it
Look,I support the Trump, and i am glad that is fake because its stupid idea.
Building infrastructure literally right on your border is silly. Even if you dont go to war with Mexico now, or ever, the security and associated expenditures would be much larger than if it was build further from the border. Just imagine a scenario in which Mexico becomes a failed state (well more than it is now) as a result of anything from coups and countercoups, drug cartels gaining the upper hand, natural disaster or anything else. Mexico would become potentionally hostile area and all the infrastructure along the border would be at risk more than it'd be further in the interior.
Sure you could secure it but it'd be disproportionaly expensive.
>But then when war broke out Belgium chose to be neutral & let the Germans through their country.
ayy
burgerss
This post breaks down OP's post perfectly
They actually had but they were too fucking scared to use it.
Chlorine trifluoride
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If you play SS13 you know what I am talking about.
OP cherry-picks examples to artificially bolster his claim. Israel built a wall. That wall not only keeps terrorists from climbing over (when do you ever hear of terrorist attacks in Israel) but it detects when they dig under.
A vibrant economy depends on public safety and national security. That is why Trump is going to win and build the wall, Pacito.
Explain the West Bank Barrier then.
After a quick google search this guy gives a really good answer on how effective the Chinese wall really was
Well according to you we should only be worried about building a wall if there is an invading force.
We aren't being invaded by anyone are we???
So the crux of your arguments is "dont build anything in your territory, because if your neighbor becomes a failed state, it might get attacked"
I appreciate the concern puerto rico bro, but mexico is already a failed state, and the intended purpose of the fortifications is to repel attacks, so I'm not sure why building border security along a recognized international border is upsetting you.
Would you not buy a car out of fear of accidents?
>comparing texas with israel
If Israelis built their infrastructure further from the border they'd be building underwater.
I am not complaining about the wall or the security. That i support. However puting rail literally on the border is stupid.
>imo the wall is unfeasible, wasteful and illogical.
Really? So having an open boarder allowing for Mexicans to smuggle drugs, weapons, and undocumented people into the US is a good thing? I'd like to have a big wall to make it much harder for them to smuggle their asses into my country.
The point is that it doesn't fucking matter where you build it.
Tell all this to mexico, they put up a wall to keep guatemala out.
It does.
You brough up Israel. Highway 6, which is located closer to the border than any other highways, has much larger number of injuries and deaths by sniper fire (or other violent means) than any other Israeli highway.
The Maginot line worked.
It's a fact.
They went around it thanks to Belgium.
But it did stop the Nazis from penetrating the border between France and Germany
Mexico is paying for it who cares at least it helps.
What about the protection of the people who are gonna build this wall? If this election's taught me anything is that a lot of liberals are actually fucking insane. I wouldn't put it past them to try to sabotage the construction sites and put the workers' lives in danger just to make a political statement tbqh
Except it's not stupid at all. Building a wall and nothing else would be stupid.
Building a wall that moves people and goods around, contributes to local and national economies, secure the border, help the environment and provide jobs, not just construction ones.
Its a slam dunk, bro.
This is definitly going to happen, and I envision oath keepers, the 3 percenters or a merry band of miltia volunteers will help out, thats if the feds have to keep the gloves on
>Great wall
Worked pretty well for a few hundred years, not until the mongols got gunpowder did they really have issues.
Tariffs on money transfers to mexico isn't a bad thing in this case.
Give me a good reason why countries shouldn't have actual borders.
Im just wondering why the fuck Trump expects the Mexican government to pay for it. Haven't they got better things to do, like sitting on their arses and giving their arses and giving their cousins head, than paying for a wall which does shit all to help their 1.973 million km2 expanse of sweet fuck all?
>If I lie about the factual content of history I can pretend that my fictional version of history supports my argument.
Off yourself
the wall just got 10 feet higher
Building a wall directly on the border IS stupid.
If it's directly on the border you cant stop the mexicans doing whatever the fuck they want on their side. You can't patrol there, you can't enforce your laws there.
Lots of mexicans standing right beside the wall with a long-ass ladder. Each mexican has a distance of around 200m to the next. At night they start climbing the wall simulatiously.
Or mexicans start digging a tunnel 5m away from the wall. Taking the direct route would be asinine. So they start digging along the wall long enough until you can't say where the fuck they even are. They they simply dig under or through it.
What would you do in these scenarios?
Push the ladder an thus killing mexican citizens on mexican clay?
Invade mexico an close the tunnel?
Both are a big no-no.
You need some distance to the border. Everyone who enters it is definitely up to no good and can be picked up and deported.
Tunnels can be closed since they will most likely be on your side. Who's going to want to dig a 3 mile long tunnel?
Ladders can be pushed and mexicans falling on a line of trampolines flinging them back to mexico.
The wall is there to give you time. The space is there to give you area where you can enforce the law.
Actually they bribed the gate gaurds since China didn't really offer much support
>china's wall
China was conquered from the inside
>Maginot Line
They invaded from the lower countries you fucking retard
>Berlin wall
torn down by reagan and successfuly defeated one of the biggest threads in the international community
>italy
oh that makes sense
fucking autist
>torn down by reagan and successfuly defeated one of the biggest threads in the international community
>Hindenburg Line
>held repeatedly against well organised, massive Allied attacks while slaughtering those who tried to pass it
you're right, the Wall needs some big guns on top
The border wall doesn't sit on the hard edge between territories. You have at least a mile "neutral zone" between the marked border. This is done to eliminate any possible legal issues resulting from cartography errors or small contests over the exact property lines.
The first border isn't even physical. You're going to have some warning signs.
The second border would be about 1/2 mile out from the wall physical, and would be nothing but a simple concertina wire spool fence.
Anything that deliberately crosses the concertina enters a "kill zone" where the border can be enforced with force. The act of bypassing the fence, no matter how simple, is legally willful trespass, as one does not "accidentally" cross such a boundary.
Calling it "vital infrastructure" is good, though. That makes any deliberate attacks firing the rifles Obama gave the Mexican cartels at passing trains an act of terrorism, or war, allowing us to freely deploy military troops. Paco trying to damage the tracks would be strategically wonderful for us.
>China spent itself to death
they literally sent a couple of slaves carry some rocks once every couple of decades.
also the wall that israel built at the palastine borders has reduced illegal influx of arabs by 98%.
Nazi don't destroy the maginot line.
Our shitty leftist politician refuse to finish the line because muh belgian feeling so nazi just pass by belgium
>The French made the Maginot Line, a wall-like fortification, because it was a fixed fortification, the Nazi's destroyed them
they made it because literally everyone thought you couldn't get an army through the Ardennes and nobody even thought that any country would try it