Can we please have a serious discussion about the current state of American politics without some fucking autistic...

Can we please have a serious discussion about the current state of American politics without some fucking autistic prick screeching drumpf or shillary?

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Why would you not only ask that but expect it to happen here?

>Can we please have a serious discussion about the current state of American politics without some fucking autistic prick screeching drumpf or shillary?

on Sup Forums? we'll be lucky if it doesn't turn into a trap/gay scat thread

No.

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and there we go

Not possible

False bipartisanship is gay.

Bipartisanship is gay. This is obviously why other countries are better.

>Trump has overshadowed the GOP and its agenda
>hillary is weak and pathetic but screeches from the sidelines, her invective given wings by sympathetic media hucksters

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I voted for Hillary and because that bitch has no political instincts we ended up with president sundowning. Also the Russia hacks but they could only do so much.

I'm not american but I can't help that feel that Donald Trump is not a good fit for a country with such a strong and illustrious history. He doesn't come across as being intelligent or even interested in americans let alone poor or middle class americans. You are free to elect whomever you like but he seems more of a fool than an stateseman.

The only problem in American politics is the stupid communists who want to turn this great country into the USSA.

It's possible to love this country but hate how corrupt the government has become without being anti-american....right ?

No, Patriotism for the quality of our country is necessary to keep it alive. As long as you are not feeding the corruption by means of giving the government more power (socialism) you are being very American to criticize your government.

>american politics
fuckoff of here with this propaganda already. there's a dozen threads by chinks and buttmad libcucks spammed here 24/7
it's like all the faggots who were exposed during the blacked/umadewhyteboi campaign have opted to spam anti trump shit now.

United Sovereign States of America?

The current state is that nothing is going to be done this term.

The Republican party is barely backing their elected leader, and the Democrats are going to fight everything he does.

United Socialist States of America.

I do not want to see this country turn into Venezula or the USSR.

Idk about that but every state should induce sovereign self-reliance and this nation should be able to divide into 50 independant mini-countries in the event something goes horribly wrong.

Dems threw a few bipartisan bones, but between GOP obstruction and Trumps Obama hate fetish they only allow the most terrible things.

Democratic socialism is a world away from a communist agenda. Equating them is stupid.

Reagan SERIOUSLY fucked that country up. He convinced them that Socialism is just another name for Communism.

Welcome to early United States. The Federal Government was never supposed to be this big or this powerful.

Slippery Slope is real. And besides we are yet to see the end result of power hungry democratic socialism. In places where the government is not rapidly expanding in power, such as Scandinavia they are experience some pretty intense economic stagnation. Where oh where will we see this ideology transform our world into next.

> every state should induce sovereign self-reliance
Thats why we can't have the commies here, because the idea of self reliance is slavery to them (unless you are some random asshole living off grid substance farming in the middle of nowhere).

Also that "trickle down" absolute nonsense.

>muh slippery slope
Seriously nigger? Just a meme response to do the wrong thing in the opposite direction. Like the fools saying gay marriage leads to bestiality and pedophilia, or any of the 2nd amendment bullshit.

Look at Canada again? You can change your gender, species and more. Washington woman tried to change her race. A fifty year old man claims he is a six year old girl having sex with his "adopted daddy".

Leftists always want to push further and further.

Church and State don't mix like two dicks and no bitch.

Regards be retards. What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?

And too much of the other side is similarly out of wack, but more actually harmful. Only path to sanity is a healthy bipartisanship. Not quite the same as centerism.

>Just a meme response to do the wrong thing in the opposite direction. Like the fools saying gay marriage leads to bestiality and pedophilia, or any of the 2nd amendment bullshit.
Even though it started out as a fallacy, it actually happened.
Once gay marriage was legalized,
then they wanted christian bakers to be legally required to make them cake,
then trannies started demanding rights that they already have
then it became is taboo to criticize the LGBT, then it became law to call them by their pronouns.
then Canada legalized beastiality
and now you have pedos trying to integrate them selves with the LGBTQ movement.

Both sides are wrong but the profligacy of the left is insane. Degenerate and criminal faggotry.

Next the left will say getting fucked in the ass while sucking on a dog knot will extend your life.

>american politics
there is nothing to talk about

Read. Learn it.
Democratic socialism = Slippery slope = Leftists pushing their agendas actually leading to bestiality (but I identify as a pitbull!) pedophilia (but I identify as a 16 year old) and more.

war on drugs fueled/fed violent criminals cash and power like nothing before.
the war on terror is even worse, as those same thugs who can buy out any political figure can now spy, murder, torture, and not just imprison anyone in the world.

You're doing too much mental gymnastics to fit your distorted world narrative. Perhaps do away with faulty reasoning instead of trying so hard to upkeep it?

anyone who mentions trump is a shill

This is why I want a limited federal government. Constitution allows the states to decide on so many issues. No blanket law, just local folks getting what they want instead of everyone being pissed over something.

I think we need to return to these roots or at least be on standby in disaster to return.

Examples given but ignored. Typical.

That is why drugs need to be decriminalized and sold by the state.

And prostitution needs to be legal and moderated by the state.

What we need is a bill of limited government, to complement the bill of rights.

basically it would say the government cant do X. Where X is = Surveillance, Changing money supply, accepting corporate bribes, granting corporate subsidies.

You are a nation of sheep ruled by a government of wolves. Not long for this world.

Legalization does not remove the trafficking. It merely makes it easier to hide the illegal parts, (harmful drugs or typically child prostitution)

Yes, we can !
Germanfag here,looking forward to se Yellowstone Habbening.
Might happen, WILL happen - in our lifetime.
Down with America, fuck the U.SS.A.
To hell with all you fat retards !

>Vladamir is right

We already have that in the constitution. Its merely ignored.

Yes. That is sadly true. But we can protect adult sex workers and reduce drug trafficking crime.

Hell, even hire street dealers but make them pay a commission fee to the state.

The black market dealers as well.

>not a good fit
He's as "American" as they come.

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And with PCP, Fentanyl and Child Prostitution, we could punish more harshly.

If severe enough, crucifixion or execution. Tied to a frame for weeks and on display.

The American implementation of democracy is focused on two things: protecting the elite and maintaining itself.

Personally Im against both legal drugs and prostitution. So this isnt in my interest. But with how government regulation works, youd still see an unregulated black market and distribution.

By nature drugs are addicting. You want to buy at 35 dollars an ounce or 75? You want to have some special fun with Betty? Shes a hundred an hour or with Jenny. Shes twenty-five bucks an hour. Regulation will raise prices and those back alley deals will be cheaper.

men and white people in general are treated like shit in america

the media and society are constantly pressuring white girls to race mix

men are constantly being fired for "sexual harassment" (eye rape is a real thing)

unqualified women are being shoved into high positions that they can't handle

riots and looting break out whenever some stupid nigger gets shot for agressively provoking the police

people are still pretending to give a shit about gays, transgenders, and other lgtb bullshit

the worst part is that all of this is intertwined with american politics

how many times do you remember hillary clinton say "break the glass ceiling" during her presidential campaign?

why are there many liberals so pissed that bernie sanders got pushed to the side?

why is the media obsessed with trump hurting people's feelings?

we seriously need to stick with real issues like global warming or some shit

MuriKKKa could do a lot worse than to become more like Venezuela. Chávez and Maduro have worked hard to bring the greatest good to the greatest number of Venezuelans. Hugo even gave his life to keep the Rothschilds from taking over his economy.

Well what do you want to talk about dumbass?

I'll take Shays's Rebellion for two hundred, please, Alex.

What’s there to discuss? It’s pure shit.

Global warning or some shit are real issues?Yeah. Touche. To an extent.

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>Vladamir
Y'all also can't spell for shit. Like you learned your English from the backs of breakfast cereals or something.

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what examples? You said a bunch of bullshit you think is associated with the political left. Throw a source in there and this "Just ignoring my examples" shit might have merit.

>Regulation will raise prices
Not all forms of regulation cause this effect. Just the kind of regulation that the US has become used to.

You.

Are.

A.

Fucking.

Moron.

Too lazy to go search for you.

Canada's recent controvercy with personal pronouns should be easy for you to find. Thats the change your species shit.

Transgender rights, thats the change your gender shit.

The Washington state woman who identified as black while not being black...fuck you didnt hear about it?

The 50+ year old man "identifying as a six year old girl" and fucking his "adopted daddy" might be the easiest or hardest to find. Good luck you lazy bastard.

DRUMPF IS A CHUMP

No, politics is too full of stereotypes, hatred, and ignorance.

Doesn't matter which side you're on, someone on the other side will call you a libturd or conservacuck. No one, no matter how strong the argument against whatever they believe in will change their mind these days, thanks to cognitive dissonance, once they have made up their minds on an issue. Only arguments in real life, without the infinite fake statistics, poor information, and literal lies that people post on the internet will change minds.

Because when a law is put in the books that allow for you to be 50+ things and makes it hate speech if I call a guy "him, he, etc" isnt a clear example of taking a closer step towards even more edgy shit?

Limited government. I dream of it.

I have a dream and I know it can work, especially with vice reduction. All sex workers who work for the state are screened often, always with a protective guard, Johns are screened and background checked. Girls have access to IUDs, spermacides, birth control, Plan B.

People must be IQ tested to vote,
Or to have a pregnancy license to have progeny,
Or to apply for entitlements.
State owned private schools only take the brightest and most creative minds for a state of the art learning experience where they will build things and learn about business and innovation hands on.

MDMA, Cannabis, and various other drugs can be decriminalized and the state can sell to the person or at least sell cannabis seeds and other organic intoxicants, while prescribing a medical variant of MDMA for traumas, etc.

Laws are all gathered and printed into books and delivered to every house, like phone books so everyone knows the current laws on the books and various offices, organizations, etc.

Heinous acts are punished more harshly and any capital crime executions are immediate. Torture may also be sentenced to the sickest ones and public display and shaming for others can be used.

Unfortunately, people have little self control, nor learn any. One could only limit government if people learned how to not constantly screw each other over at all times.

Exactly

You know, Im no genius but this sounds like stupidity to me. Who decides what level of intelkigence is required for others? Are you less worthy if you are a single point below that bottom limit?

There are so many other things too.

Yet we arent teaching morality. We teach entitlement.

No!

MAKE AMERICA, FUCK YOU SHILLARY FEAL THE BERN CUCKS


FAGGOTS

Britbong here. I think that the political campaigns waged at the last election were awful. Particularly Hillary's. Though both attempted to polarise voters, the hate she cultivated attempting to gain office was unforgivable. Now America has split itself down the middle into two polarised groups. The only way to heal this is going to be a move to a more inclusive centre ground. That said, I love the idea of the wall and hope to visit it someday. The left literally doesn't understand why it needs to be built, but it does.

You would give the state far too much power. Very dangerous.
The only way for government to work is from the ground up. Citizens must all reclaim the self-control they had a century ago -- and then improve upon that by promoting even more self-control in their children. The goal should be to model government on the Abbey of Thélème.

See man, naturally children understand the concepts of sharing, not hurting each other, etc. What happens along the way is adults show greed, hatred, ignorance, etc. and they copy what they see. Each generation is a reflection of the previous, and amplified. The result is "entitlement" turns out to be the ideology of the older generation, just they don't see it that way.

The issue is even if you were to teach morality and philosophy, when that kid goes home and sees their father yelling at their mother, or the president making fun of poor people, all that gets washed away, and they see the hypocrisy. It becomes even more acute when they hit the real world and they can't function as well because the "real world" seems to welcome those that take advantage over those that don't.

The British practiced the same polarization in their empire. Look what they did to the Indian subcontinent and to the Balkans.

We legit needed other candidates. Sanders was an idiot. Republicans needed to step up.

A good conservative leaning center would have had my vote.

FUCK YOU SHILL

I disagree. I believe morality is taught, not inherit to people.

You know and I know some people should not breed. This is control, manifest. Control is needed because people will not be equipped to lead themselves.

Of course. I am an Authoritarian Centrist.

However, you are right. But, will they do this?

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And I'm saying it gets untaught by the previous generation.

But who decides who gets to breed. Beyond the elitism, who believes that it can be enforced?

Our politics are so awful right now. The main issue (aside from a foreign adversary fucking with us and the refusal of half the nation to accept that fact) is that we are dealing with separate sets of facts. Conservatives believe one set and democrats believe another. We cant have meaningful debate until we can agree on whats real and whats false..and we're totally fucked if we fall into the Russia trap that 'there is no truth'. I dont know how we improve the situation, but its deep seated and not going to happen overnight.

It might be so. I just think that it is far more than that. School system education teaches entitlement in the classroom. Morality is taught by the point of view of the teacher or school.

Its like Social Justice. If you tack on anything to just Justice, it isnt real justice.

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Are you willing to move from your "facts" to mine? If not, you are the problem.

On the Russia fuckery. If they spent 100 million on advertisement supporting Trump, why did Hillary get votes? Maybe because the ads didnt affect the election? People didnt vote Trump into office because an advertisement told them to.

Oh but the DNC haxxors. If the emails werent damning then they wouldnt have affected the ekection. Maybe Dems shouldnt have emailed/said/believed what was found.

But...but...

Russia can go fuck itself, but it didnt do shit to help Trump.

>Are you willing to move from your "facts" to mine? If not, you are the problem.

I search for the truth, not some dumbfuckery that validates my political leanings. Unless you are doing that too, you are the problem. Half the reason we got here, with different sets of facts is that Americans are too ignorant, easily manipulated and conned. Thousands showed up to a fucking pizza place because of the dumb shit on Sup Forums, yet Russians had no effect on peoples actions, on our election? Go fuck yourself, faggot

If i buy an advertisement supporting Trump, am I convincing John Doe to Vote Trump? No! Trump is convincing people to vote Trump. Clearly you believe that people are so retarded that the number of ads equate to the number of votes.

Russia gave Trump extra votes = bullshit.

If the state or elite controlled this, it would destroy the nation and turn it into what we see now. I do not wish to see a class war, visible or not. The people will be given the vote to decide who they believe should breed and who the people choose will be allowed and the ZOGers/Elite will have no influence this time. People like the fat, lazy and disabled normies of Facebook and IG with IQs of 98 can not be the ones to push us forward. They hold us back. We will leave some people behind. Some will be lost. But acheiving the dream is worth it.

Obviously, overpopulation equals death. Only the healthy and those of sound mind and at least decent intellect should breed, 100 IQ minimum, at least. This hypothetical nation will need people who will provide long term stability and can survive independantly without hierachy as all nations fall. It would have positive traits from both ends of the spectrum and none of the degeneracy. It would be honest to its people and lastly, novus ordo seclorum would not happen because the people would be redpilled. History would be uncensored, 100%. Truth would as well.

I also believe in eugenics and selective breeding being needed to advance the species as a whole but more importantly, the nation.

As for enforcement, pro-choice is a must in some cases, pro-life in others. I guess people themselves or the state will be the enforcers of this. People must learn not to be whores and have 50 kids at 17 or someone must step in and stop them. All I know, user, is that not doing this type of shit sooner is what got this nation into this polarized shit today. Too many stupid people have subverted government to make people what they desire them to be. With anal faggotry or mormonfaggotry, it is bad and wrong. Something has to stop it. Some synthesis must be reached or this nation will fall and split.

Hillary lost because she ignored key states, was not speaking to the average Joe, hard fucked up her campaign due to using a personal email server, and the Democratic party fucked itself with the DNC hack.

Trump campaigned certain key states Hillary didnt. Trup was a populist, speaking for the average Joe. He wasnt a politician and the thought of how that could change Washington up galvanized voters.

Trump is what sold Trump.

On another note, I learned CBD pills could substitute for Xanax. CBD. An organic compound that is not even widespread because of cannabis "legislation."

Really, its the ads you are concerned about with the Russian meddling? Not the hacking and enormous misinformation campaign of which the ads were a very small part of?

I watched my ignorant uncles and cousins and many friends share what was obviously false news for months before the election. They spewed total idiocy, stuff that was totally beyond any sort of actual believably...and all supported Trump.
I watched other friends and family that were Bernie bros totally back out of politics because they were so pissed of at Hillary 'stealing' the nomination. Many stayed home on election day.

Both thse groups were absolutely influenced by Russia's disinfo campaign. The Trump train dumb asses were energized and you'd better believe they all showed up on election day. The Bernie bros were demoralized and I know many that didnt vote. But you can believe what you will - there's no way words effect actions, right?