Who's the greatest leader in German history?
Who's the greatest leader in German history?
depends on what you count as Germany
Austrian gefreiter artist.
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Friedrich was a cuck and probably a homo too
He got lucky Prussia did not get rekt completely in the Seven Years War, but thats about it
The objectively right answer is
Merkel
>faggot the great
>great german leader
kek
Otto set Germany back by bringing in the bureaucratic governmental system. He's the 19th century pic related.
Otto singlehandedly unified the Reich and got rid of red scum
There is literally no statesman in modern times Germany that can live up to that
>persecuted Catholics
>rejected "Greater Germany" in favour of little Germany
>was a puppet of Russia
Lmao no
learn how2history
Think harder. Who was the first leader in Europe to kick out the papists?
The one and only
>persecuted catholics
literally nothing wrong with that
>rejected "Greater Germany" in favour of little Germany
Yeah, and look where "Greater Germany got us today
>was a puppet of Russia
????????
>unified the Reich
>unified
>without Austria
Bismarck was a Prussian cuck, not a German nationalist.
it terms of great as in cataclysmic undertaking i have to agree, the state of germany in 1920 is far worse than otto's prussia
FPBP
He tried to beat some sense into them but died early
Was a butthurt and lying faggot, spoiled brat.
Is the real answer.
Id say bismarck
he wasnt stupid enough to launch that 2 front war, and they hurt russia pretty badly
Germans, how does it feel knowing that your country was only *truly* great for 47 years? Must hurt
At least it had been great at some point, other than yours
Carl the great
>Be German
>Your greatest leader is not even German
Ronald Reagan.
chill kid. otto hated poland too. germans ability in leading their country raises along their contempt for poles.
Karlos El Grande was french
Probably Kaiser Willy because he brought it the closest to destruction
Based Pinoy
Not only the most powerful race but the wisest as well
Japan, you need to study more
Undoubtedly.
Fuck Weltpolitik
germans are evil subhumans
Seems like Bismarck was the only guy with half a brain to not piss of France, Britain AND Russia at the same time. Every one of the policies people criticize him for simply avoided the destruction of Germany. If they took Austria,which at the time was one of the largest counties,just how would the rest react
You are a Turk
Good thing you're American so your opinion doesn't mean anything
Add 12 years to that.
>German
>history
Pick one.
Albert Einstein
Gauss
Rutherford
Bohr
etc.
These had real achievements, not some pointless political bs
They were all leaders in SCIENCE
A homosexual austrian jewish paper hanger who had one ball, a deformed micro penis, had an incestuous affair with his niece, an enthusiasm for scat, was addicted to meth and had autism.
Where is Merkel?
a true inspiration for all autistic people
The franks where dutch actually.
Leader of the Neo-German Empire.
niels bohr was a dane
Actually Niels Boehr was Flemish, little known fact
>Neo-German Empire
*The greatest European organization ever existed
Here is a lesson of history for (You)
Very few people realize that Nils Böhr was from Sweden.
I am a Greek
einstein was a jew
germans were always jealous and hated them because they were wealthier
>Honecker
only correct answer
How is that relevant, the territory marked here is literally Soissons and the franks conquered that later on in their span of empire
>the true land of the franks, where the salian franks lived is between the loire river and the carbonarian forest
Are you stupid or something?
The Salian Franks are recorded as living on the northernmost banks of the rhine and the meuse around the year 400.
Not to mention that the Frankish language evolved into duits in their homelands while the franks who migrated south where to few in number to do anything else than to leave about a thousand loan word in the vulgar latin that would later evolve into langue d'oïl.
Go back play in the swamp, blondcuck LARPer
>The Salian Franks are recorded as living on the northernmost banks of the rhine and the meuse around the year 400.
What is migration, domb subhuman blondcuck ?
t. deluded romaboo
Well that is what I just described for you, a migration of parts of the salian franks from their dutch homeland into the realm of Syragius.
What exactly is is you think that the Franks where, Romano-Gallics, Bretons? Because they very obviously spoke a germanic language.
G*rms bactericide when ?
Clovis, viewing himslef as a roman sovereign, commissioned the laws ti govern his new territory and to raise legitimacy. He was a roman LARPer who wanted to restore the western empire
>their dutch homeland
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
NO
The Ottonids where of frankish stock you absolute retard.
So what you're saying that because of this minority opinion they in fact came from hungary? How surprising
Who is Henry the Fowler ?
Ottonids were Saxons
>A minority
>Actual Frankish Tradition
Pick one
Yes according to their own LArpiing the franks here descended from King Priam and one of his sons who after the fall of Troy led an army and settled in pannonia(this pannonia however is supposed to be near the sea of azov)
There they founded the kingdom of Sicambria.
Later they are supposed to have migrated to the rhine.
You are literally, and I cannot stress this enough literally RETARDED if you believe this.
The progenitor of the dynasty was from what would later become the saxon stem duchy, however he and almost every ottonid after him took wives from the frankish nobility, Henty the Fowler was a cousin of Louis the Child for fucks sake.
Whichever one killed himself quickest
Frederick the great was a follower of enlightenment and thus hated backwards cultures in general, not just Poland.
That's also the reason why he was a great admirerer of France, since it gave birth to so many enlightenment thinkers
>spelling
M8 Austria was never going to join after the Zollverein
South germans are a different people anyway the split is warranted.
What are you trying to say though?
As he says the franks were LARPers to the max as they wanted to have legitimacy as sovereigns in the Roman Empire
Those two, without doubt
It is later tradition from the Liber Historiae Francorum and Feredegar's Chronicle who was blindly followed by French and Germans, but early Frankish tradition only speak about Pannonia(as found in Gregory of Tours) and never mention Troy
>he and almost every ottonid after him took wives from the frankish nobility
Salic Law, women can't inherit and pass the land to their sons, and seing their red hair i doubt they fucked Frankish women, infact i doubt the very existance of "Frankish women".
it really hurts
i always think about what could have been, if the retard willy didn't start the great war
He was a flawed man
HE just wanted to play with his boats
>Willy
Your military was also responsible
if only Frederick III. didn't die -.-
>if the retard willy didn't start the great war
It was actually mostly the Austrian leadership and the (correct) belief that their Empire would crumble if they didn't get rid of the countries agitating for Panslavism in their Empire (Serbia + Russia).
The real mistake willy made is to have only the Austrians as allies. As Bismarck said, when you have 5 great powers you need to be part of the 3
You should have stuck with Russia and have made AH your mutual vassal
If the franks were so french/nongermanic why did they originate from the middle rhine (the right side too) and pictures of Wotan were to be found in their most early graves?
>Rutherford
Is this the fabled German humour?
I think the biggest mistake was that after Bismarckm, Germany thought it needed no allies (besides AH) and continued pissing everybody off.
They called it "Politik der freien Hand" (Policy of the free hand)
What do you think Germany should have done with AH? Partition it? Keep it around as a defunct state split up in spheres of influence? Prop it up like irl?
See pic related they're from Pannonia
>pictures of Wotan were to be found in their most early graves?
Early Frankish skelletons have Charon's obols in their mouths
Does it make them Greeks cause they worshipped greek gods ?
>Salic Law, women can't inherit and pass the land to their sons, and seing their red hair i doubt they fucked Frankish women, infact i doubt the very existance of "Frankish women".
What the fuck are you on about, do you think the franks where some sort of aliens who didn't understand the value of political alliances?
By the way linguistic, religious and historic evidence trumps LARPING fairy tales.
M8 we offered to be allies and you turned us down 3 times
What the fuck so they came from austria?
The franks where Germanic my friend, the frenchman just thinks 800th century dungeons and dragons has a single shred of credibility.
Keep friendly relationship with it, but not risky everything for them.
I think the best thing would be to have good relationships with all great powers, so they dont have to worry about wars in Europe and can concentrate on colonial exploits.
But if good relations with France are impossible, it is of course vital to have Russian as an ally or at least as neutral, to prevent a two-front war
Hermann the german
Somewhere around Austria, Croatia, Slovenia, and Hungary i guess
They didn't precise which Pannonia they're from
I think that no matter what AH would have to go eventually though, and then there's the polish question
You base this on what again?
The franks plundering in then the roman provinces of germania superior and inferior?
I think Poles should have gotten a certain degree of autonomy to pacify them, and a bilingual education in Polish and German
>You base this on what again?
I base that fact that Pannonia included parts of these countries :)
>I base that fact that
I base that on the fact that*
I know what pannonia is friend, I was referring to what basis there actually is for a non-Germanic origin of the franks.
germans are subhumans
i think poles should kill every germ
They were dark/brown haired and not tall unlike actual Germanics according to Eginhard and the Carolingian Illuminated manuscripts
Their tradition states that they came from Pannonia which was inhabited by Celts and Illyrians
The names of the their early leaders are Celtic or at least Celtic-sounding like :
Sammo which is the Celtic name for summer(sammo)
Suno which is the Celtic name for sun(sunno)
Teutomer which is composed of Teuto(tribe in celtic) Mer(similar to the Celtic mori) which mean "People of the sea"
and so on
>Suno
My bad it is Sunno exactly like the Celtic sunno
You described half of german population.
why are you so rude?