>Leave the Church because pope is bad I'm not a pussy like Luther burger
Eli Wood
If your Pope were just the "first among equals" in bishops, I could see your point. But you literally see him as God's mouthpiece.
Jeremiah Butler
#Notmypope He is literaly the false prophet described in Book of Revelations. Dark ages are about to come.
Ryder Campbell
>Catholics, leave your Church, come to the Orthodox Church Fuck that scatterbrained, corrupt piece of slavshit excuse of a "church".
Zachary Hall
>But you literally see him as God's mouthpiece. The Magisterium is literally guided by the presence of the Holy Spirit, that is where the authority comes from. Without the Holy Spirit there is no innate authority in the Church, or in anyone for that matter.
The Eastern Orthodox Church doesn't even experience the presence Holy Spirit.
Blake Lewis
>successor to the first pope to resign in 600 years is a commie infiltrator
We don't? I'm pretty sure direct experience of God has been a major element of our theology since forever, it especially caused controversy with the Palamas thing.
Daniel Watson
>Pope who was forced to resign was conservative >he recently said Vatican II was a mistake What do you know
Landon Edwards
Benedict still my Pope tbch lads
Austin Morris
Ex Cathedra? No? Then who gives a fuck? Are you all protestants this poorly informed?
Angel Rivera
>Let me tell you about your beliefs and dogmas
Kevin Parker
>But you literally see him as God's mouthpiece. You should realize that this is a false, protestant meme and we don't have to give a fuck about pope's opinions.
Gavin Brooks
Catholics, what the actual fuck?
Oliver Murphy
/this even he is kraut, he's still better than that puppet jewpope from (((whitest country on the earth)))
Nicholas Evans
>God has been a major element of our theology since forever Your theology is garbage because God wants nothing to do with your ridiculous church
Carson Hughes
WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU ELECT A SOCIALIST AS THE FUCKING POPE?
Austin Wilson
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Anthony Reyes
Don't even do it with Muslims then
James Taylor
At this point catholics are worse than muslims. Both like to poor across borders and force their backwards beliefs upon others. At least Muslims are honest about hating white people.
I can do it as long as I read Quran, imams, caliphs and all that things. Have YOU read Catechism, Father of Church, Popes, Councils documents, Magisterium et cetera?
Hudson Cruz
>The election of a Muslim as London mayor 'illustrates the need for Europe to rediscover its capacity to integrate', the pope told La Croix
did he really say this? WHY ISN'T ANYONE TELLING THE FUCKING MUSLIMS TO INTEGRATE
W H Y
Camden Bailey
>white people in Europe >"colonialist" Can we ship the Natives back to Asia? They "colonized" America ten thousand years ago.
Jace Williams
Remember that this is the Pope atheists wanted.
Hudson Jones
he watched youtube videos
Elijah Perez
>When I hear talk of the Christian roots of Europe, I sometimes dread the tone, which can seem triumphalist or even vengeful. It then takes on colonialist overtones
It was only kept Christian because of the blood that was spilled by European men as they fought to the death to keep fanatical imperialistic Muslim colonialists from butt-fucking their continent and putting everyone who refused to convert to the sword.
What an ignoramous.
Noah Parker
Far from the most hated, but he's a shit Pope for sure, I'm pretty sure he was chosen for the sole purpose of growing the traditionalist movement within the Church as a reaction against his modernist tendencies.
there must have been some sort of hiccup in the electoral system, how could the (current) greatest theological minds in the west choose a fucking South American commie?
Cooper Cooper
>The Eastern Orthodox Church doesn't even experience the presence Holy Spirit.
Protip: nobody does because it doesn't exist.
t. FSM
Jason Davis
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Austin Miller
I've read plenty of Church Fathers and Council Documents, as well as large sections of the Catholic Catechism.
Isaiah Fisher
>the Pope is only infallible when speaking in the capacity of Pope What's funny is that this ridiculous distinction of the Pope just speaking as Joe-Shmo vs speaking as the Pope, didn't appear until the 19th Century. The Pope was always speaking as the Pope, not just turning on his office once in a blue moon. They don't refer to him by his secular name. When people greet him, they don't greet him as Joe Shmo, he's ALWAYS greeted as the Pope, and he always speaks as the Pope.
Cameron Davis
>wokrs why should I take advice from someone who can't spell?
As a Catholic I can't even say that he's actually our Pope, though.
Nathan Murphy
>being this autistic
Isaac Thompson
Gib malvinas and we remove pope
Bentley Lee
Benedict was based, why did you have to force him to resign?
Joseph Roberts
You obviously know nothing about any of what you're talking about. The Pope is always the Pope, never just "Joe-Shmo", he's a great spiritual leader, but his infallibility is only manifest Ex Cathedra. It is, and always has been, a very meticulous and rare occurrence.
Luke Perry
>the face of a man who knows this is wrong but is forbidden by decorum and custom to speak out
Nicholas Hernandez
>What's funny is that this ridiculous distinction of the Pope just speaking as Joe-Shmo vs speaking as the Pope That's how it is now and we can disregard and criticize pope's opinions freely.
I don't really care about you, but those digits are nice.
Colton Perez
The Pope is always ex cathedra, I'm saying the idea that is only once in a while is entirely new. The cathedra, the chair, is office of a bishop (hence "cathedrals"), if he weren't "ex cathedra" he wouldn't even be a bishop, let alone "the high priest"
Isaac Barnes
Goddamnit, the pope is supposed to be neutral in politics
Jayden Jenkins
You're taking the semantics of the term too literally, you're wrong.
Aiden Smith
>That's how it is now And thus all Catholic dogma
"that's how it is now"
Well, tomorrow, it will be female ordination, and "That's how it is now, we have 'developed' a better 'understanding'"
Anthony Cooper
>Pope is bad
Bad would be the Pope being a corrupt fuck like Borgia. This Pope clearly wants to destroy Western Christendom itself. This is beyond bad, this is downright treasonous.
Camden Lopez
I'm saying the use of the term that way and the idea of it being once-in-a-while, is very new. Now the idea of the Pope being able to define dogma on his lonesome or his infallibility is also something relatively late, but I'm saying the ex cathedra distinction is much later than that.
Sebastian Anderson
>great spiritual leader please
Brandon Wilson
>Well, tomorrow
Not likely >The doctrine of infallibility relies on one of the cornerstones of Catholic dogma: that of petrine supremacy of the pope, and his authority as the ruling agent who decides what is accepted as formal beliefs in the Roman Catholic Church.[4] The use of this power is referred to as speaking ex cathedra.[5] The solemn declaration of papal infallibility by Vatican I took place on 18 July 1870. Since that time, the clearest example of an ex cathedra decree (not the only such decree)[6] took place in 1950, when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as an article of faith.[7] Prior to the solemn definition of 1870, there were other ex cathedra decrees, for example, Pope Boniface VIII in the bull Unam Sanctam of 1302,[8][9][10] and Pope Pius IX in the Papal constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 1854.[11][12]
Jason Anderson
What the fuck are you talking about?
Landon Nguyen
But you're still wrong. In the end we don't have to give fuck about pope's personal opinions.
Elijah Gutierrez
These aren't his personal opinions, these are the opinions he's expressing as God's mouthpiece and the supreme priest and ultimate authority of the Roman Catholic Church
The disaster of Vatican II didn't need any Pope
Hudson Wood
Can't argue with those digits...!!!
Jason Price
>These aren't his personal opinions That's your willful ignorance speaking.
Brandon Watson
Then you think it is a misnomer to refer to him as the "Pope" regarding these opinions, and it would be more accurate to say Jorge?
Nicholas Rodriguez
>These aren't his personal opinions, these are the opinions he's expressing as God's mouthpiece and the supreme priest and ultimate authority of the Roman Catholic Church Are you seriously suggesting the Church has never had a way of differentiating between the Pope talking casually and the Pope talking with infallible theological authority? That's a fucking insane notion, you think in history if the Pope stubbed his toe on a table, he shouts "Damn this table" in frustration, you think he is literally damning the table to hell? Nobody believed this, there have always been measures to differentiate the Pope's casual speech from doctrinal commands, sometimes Popes say silly things because they are mortal men, there was never a time in history when the Pope's constipated dictation from the toilet was written down and put into action as infallible doctrine you nut.
Justin Morgan
Again you obsess over semantics.
Bentley Ward
You can refer to him any way you want, but that won't change the fact that your views are detached from reality.
Jace Brown
Left wing nutjobs love arguing over semantics, I guess it's the same with heretics.
Brody Cook
Is he, isn't he the Pope, the successor of Peter, when he's saying these things?
Liam Russell
He's not just speaking casually, which is something like ordering food; he's speaking as a pastor to the Church, he's not "off work" here
Robert Carter
>Catholics will give their lives for this man AHAHAHAHAHAHA
William Perry
Heresy is literally defended against by concrete definitions of words to prevent them screwing around. The RCC is extremely obsessed with terms, in theology and councils
Nolan Taylor
Of course he is being nice. Christianity is a religion, not a race. It relies on recruitment to continue. You don't get new members by being an asshole. You see dirty muslims, he sees potential future catholics.
Robert Wood
In this situation you clearly have no case and that's why you're arguing over semantics like some kind of yid.
Joseph Long
I do have a case, the Pope is clearly acting as a pastor, do you think he's just being interviewed as a regular guy?
Nicholas Price
Then you should know, that we do not see Popes as God's mouthpiece.
Hi is a mouthpiece of Peter tho.
Austin Gonzalez
No, you see Peter as God's mouthpiece after Christ left, and the Pope as the successor of Peter in that capacity.
Dylan Watson
Why is it so hard for you to accept that we don't have to agree with pope's personal opinions?
Asher Edwards
>unironically believe in god
Chase Martin
I know you don't, what I'm saying is that the idea that these opinions are not pastoral, is very new.
Thomas Perry
So you shouldn't bring up misguided PR stunts as a reason to leave Catholic Church. If as whole institution they're going to drift further left then I might consider it but pope's ramblings I will simply disregard.
Xavier Hall
You reap what you sow
Adrian Brown
I will not stand by an organization so corrupt that it lets itself be represented by Jorge Bergoglio. It should, and will, burn.
Christopher Morris
Here's the thing, why would Christ ever want this guy to sit in this position in the first place? Catholics have to go through so many God damn loops to explain away obvious bull shit. You're a bunch of superstitious cocks.