Serious Question For Science

Serious Question For Science...

Would you ever pay to join a porn + community membership site? Something like $20/year?

I'm asking because I want to build a unique (niche) porn membership site. But I know most people will never pay for porn anymore.

So I want to have a community-driven element that makes the $20 price worth it. Something like a private creepshot board where people can share their wins (without any shitty advertisements or popups or other bullshit).

Curious to know your thoughts, Sup Forums.

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Will dump some pics from this set -- for science.

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nah, too much free porn on the internetz to even consider it. plenty of creepshots posted here on the regular. there's nothing that would encourage me to join a paid porn site with what's available for free.

I think the only way you could charge people for porn is if you set up a kind of Patreon-style perks system. You know, it would need to be more than just pay for access to your site.

What you're currently describing is already readily available for free, on various forums and blog sites.

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there isn't a single perk that i could think of that would motivate me to buy anything. porn isn't a good investment. cut the supply of free chit available maybe you'll have something there.

>creepshots
it's illegal somewhere, and the second word gets out that you're charging for pictures of someone from a place where it's outlawed, you'll be in deep shit.

Yeah, right. This is the response I expected.

For what it's worth, creepshots isn't exactly the niche I was going to pursue, but I don't think it matters.

I think the only hook that would inspire people to pay would be if they could somehow make money for uploading content. ie. Revenue sharing.

But that gets damn complicated.

20 a year doesnt sound too bad, but i have a feeling alot of others wouldnt want to pay for that kindof thing

>the second word gets out that you're charging for pictures of someone from a place where it's outlawed, you'll be in deep shit.

Well, not really. If the content is "user generated" content, then the website owner is off the hook.
He's obligated to take it down when it's reported to him (DMCA), but he cannot be held responsible for copyright infringement if it was uploaded by users.

This is how every single tube site was started back in the beginning. Users stole the videos and uploaded them to the tubes. When the tube got a DMCA request, they would take it down. But then someone else would just upload it again later.

Fuck no.

Thanks for voicing a contrarian opinion.

Never have, never will.

If $20 gave me some voice in making new porn, that would be cool. Take suggestions from paying members and film it.

I could quit my job and just watch porn and jerk off for the same amount of time it took me to do my job and I wouldn't even get through the "footjob" section of most free porn sites. Paying for porn on the internet in 2017 is absolutely ridiculous.

Heard.

Curious though. I think the main two reasons people pay for porn memberships in 2017 is:

[1] Convenience
[2] Quality

A lot of people are tired of shit quality tube videos, watermarks, chopped off cumshots, etc.

They have 4K TVs and they want full-quality without the hassles of torrents, file lockers, and all that shit.

In those circumstances, $90 a year seems cheap for something like PornHub Premium, or Brazzers, or whatever.

Do those arguments / perks speak to you in any way?

shit. wrong pic.

beastiality is legal in some places, plenty of people would pay for that. Are you up to fucking another nonhuman primate. To me, that’s worth $20 a year, maybe even $30.

Nope. It could be 20 cents and it still wouldn't be worth the effort of pulling out a credit card.

Nice trips.

Ok, you've said you're willing to pay $20 for certain perks.

Would you ever consider $20 for a Sup Forums Pass to kill the reCaptcha?

I know it's not the same thing you said, but is that convenience worth $20 a year to you?

I wonder how many people / what percentage have bought the Sup Forums Pass

If you want to sell porn, sell snuff porn or bestiality or something really niche. All the vanilla stuff is already free everywhere else.

some sites do have free 4k porn just in small amounts.

>Nope. It could be 20 cents and it still wouldn't be worth the effort of pulling out a credit card.

Interesting.

Curious... Do you ever use 4K videos? Just from the tubes? Are 12 minute / compressed clips sufficient for you?

It's ok if they are. I'm just curious how people are thinking these days.

Full disclosure... I have paid annual memberships to PornHub Premium and Kink.com and absolutely love both.

But I realize I'm the minority.

Yes, of course. Good point.

But the thing is... at least for me... when my wife and I go to the bedroom and load up a porn video, we don't want it to be over in 8 minutes or 12 minutes.

We want it to go on for 30-40 minutes. That's what works for us.

And since our bedroom TV is 55 inches, if we load some compressed, low-quality shit on there, it looks terrible and kills the mood.

But I suppose that's off-topic for this thread.

you're better off doing something else

Think you're right.

isn't that bad? I can't imagine that having paint in a vagina would be very good

>Would you ever pay to join a porn + community membership site?
Is there such a thing as a respectable site? I always assumed they started ripping off your credit card. I joined a site once for a one-time one month payment, and soon multiple charges were coming in from Korea along with threats that if I didn't pay they'd send letters to my family, neighbors, and boss asking why I was a deadbeat who didn't pay his porn bill.

Only time I ever had to cancel a credit card.

Oh shit. That sucks.

I know there have been plenty of scammers in the porn biz over the years.

But most of the ones that are left are legit. It's just a matter of checking them out a little bit before you sign up. And watch out for shitty pre-checked upsells.

You raise a great point though. Why would anyone trust a $20/year porn site that they've never heard of -- even if the content / community is enticing.

There's just way too much porn out there for free for people to consider paying money for a little bit extra.

Like here are a million apples for free, and for 20 bucks we'll give you another 100 apples.

for $20 and i get kinky porn and my favorite stars, yes.

i pay for one star thats 11 a month. youd need some guests to do kinks.

Charging money for access to pictures of people for whom you have no model release forms is a good way to get sued and put in jail.

First rule of starting a business is "do something that's legal."

Only way I would pay is if it was linked to an escort service.

I see no reason whatsoever to pay for porn. Whores are different :-)

If I ever did it again, which I have no intention of, I'd buy a pre-paid card and load it up with just enough to pay for whatever, then if they try to scam it, tough shit for them.

No, you dumbshit, not if the porn itself is illegal. And there are many many laws that say photographing people without their consent and trading their photos around without their consent is illegal.

If you intend to use the photo for commercial purposes (such as, say, a porn website), you are opening yourself up to a shitstorm of lawsuits.

You are NOT a common carrier in that case.

Please see the earlier post in this thread. "User Generated Content" is the answer.

For example.. Lots of "stolen" pics all over the chan, but m00t and gookm00t are still free to walk the streets.

no, there are plenty of niche forums that are free, so unless you’re going to generate content there is nothing to charge for.

You're asking for a lot of commitment by tying yourself financially to a porn website. There is a paper trail from your porn site to a bank account.

Exchanging financial info for porn is kind of a big ask. Ads are the way to go.

pron is free on internets
only virgins, granpas, wizards n bus drivers pay for it

The site owner is not liable unless or until he is made aware of the infringement. At which time he must promptly remove the infringing content.

This is how the Internet works.

Obviously, it's different for cp, because that's immediately recognizable as illegal. So it must be removed immediately.

Son this is not what we meant when we said to get a job. Your mother and I are disappointed because we know you can do better. Why don't you take that job at the grocery store? You show them how hard you can work, and how dependable you are, and who knows where it could lead. You could be a manager before your forty.

Ignorance is generally a terrible business plan

Make so if you pay it gives you access to premium shit
/Fetishes

Dude, it's not "copyright infringement."

Try invasion of privacy, defamation, and harassment lawsuits. You'll spend more time in court than you will on your site. And your "DMCA takedown" solution also requires you to staff properly to review all content in a timely fashion.

Seriously - creepshots, upskirts, and other photos like that are in a very gray area - and they are illegal in some jurisdictions. So, you can look forward to hiring a full-time legal staff just to handle all of these issues while you try and get the 1 in 10000 people who would think about paying for your site to actually do so.

You have no business plan, and you have no understanding of the legal implications of what you're suggesting.

What could go wrong? Nothing, I'm sure - remember to recite the "but it's user-generated content," on a loop as you enjoy your stay in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

That's not so much a question "for science" as it is "for business".

would rather fap to memories than pay for porn.
fuck it, kill all porn from the internet for all i fucking care

>Dude, it's not "copyright infringement."
Correct
>Try invasion of privacy, defamation, and harassment lawsuits. You'll spend more time in court than you will on your site. And your "DMCA takedown" solution also requires you to staff properly to review all content in a timely fashion.
Defamation wouldn't apply here. Invasion of privacy only applies in 2 party consent (to recording states). Harassment is also based on state laws.
>Seriously - creepshots, upskirts, and other photos like that are in a very gray area - and they are illegal in some jurisdictions. So, you can look forward to hiring a full-time legal staff just to handle all of these issues while you try and get the 1 in 10000 people who would think about paying for your site to actually do so.
I doubt the site will get popular enough to require a legal team.
>You have no business plan, and you have no understanding of the legal implications of what you're suggesting.
You don't either, but you're not wrong about him.
>What could go wrong? Nothing, I'm sure - remember to recite the "but it's user-generated content," on a loop as you enjoy your stay in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
For civil matters against a corp? That's hilarious.

>no one actually pays for porn
this is why the porn of today is so fucking retarded, it's just propagandists attempting to sway public opinion by being the only ones actually paying for the production

>"but it's user-generated content," on a loop as you enjoy your stay in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

Look around dude. As I said, every tube site in existence was started with "user generated content." All of 'em.

Twitter, Facebook, Google+ all of 'em are full of UGC. And they're not liable until made aware of problems.

Yes they have fleets of people handling such requests. And that fact proves my point.

Mostly agreed. The tubes went out and bought all the big producers. And of course, they then feature their own content above everything else.

So the hot amateur niche stuff is relegated to oblivion, and they go out of business.

For the small-time producer, it goes like this...
[1] They get very little exposure on the tubes...
[2] They can't compete for shit in the SERPs because the tubes own the SERPs...
[3] And little "pr0n should be free" shitstains steal all their content and upload it to file lockers.

That's why porn is going backwards and the only place to find legit amateurs is on webcam.

are those pics from a video, or just assorted screenshots?

also.. porn.. community? nobody else wants to know what i fap to.

You’re gonna go to prison for CP. I used to run community driven image boards in the late 90’s early 2000s. It was a full time job to keep them moderated.

> defamation wouldn't apply here
If the images (and associated commentary) are defamatory, it most certainly would.

> harassment is based on state laws
Which means you have a patchwork of 50 different jurisdictions you have to be in compliance with. Good luck with that.

> Invasion of privacy only applies
In places where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy - i.e., anyplace most people would actually be getting nude.

Nobody's going to fucking pay for photos of clothed random girls on the street.

> I doubt the site will get popular enough to require a legal team.

If it's dedicated to swapping around non-consensual images of people, it doesn't need to get "popular," it just needs to prompt one person to commit suicide, or one person to get pissed off enough to decide that they're going to make someone pay.

Screenshots. I found that screenshot tool a few weeks ago, and was testing it out.

dang. it would have been cool if you'd've been able to take thirty screenshots a second, and thread it together into a vid.

>But I realize I'm the minority.
big time
no one wants their fetishes known to the internet, using a household ip to connect to sites is bad enough

>no one wants their fetishes known to the internet, using a household ip to connect to sites is bad enough
Why? Who the fuck cares?

You think Trump is gonna come to your house and put you in jail because you were watching too much shemale porn?

You think Google is gonna broadcast on Google News that you were searching for "Moms Fuck Teens" again?

Here's a newsflash... nobody cares what you're doing on the internet unless it's blatantly illegal. I know that goes against everything Alex Jones tells you, but seriously... nobody cares.

idc what people say. There have been 4 times in my life where i found myself in an open conversation with adults about porn. Ive come to believe that the only people that dont pay for porn are children. It seems most people pay for some kind of porn. Yeah porn is free, but if wanna watch on your 4k tv in the living room. Its just so much easier to pay.

brazzers and bangbros were the most common. I figured it would be pornhub or something

Shit dude.
Way to go against the flow.

My assumption lately has been that most of the money is being spent on camgirls. But I know most guys are terrified their wives will find out they dropped cash on a cam whore.

dude... thats just Sup Forums with the pass.

Twitter, facebook, google+, youtube and even Sup Forums aren't mandatory paid subscription services. Once you put in a members area and charge for the privilege, YOU become liable. You can put up all the UGC and disclaimers you want, but you accept liability for the posts of your paying members.

Make a free site sponsored by ads and start generating enough content turnover and you can avoid a lot responsibility.

To follow up on this point... I have a PornHub Premium account, and I gotta say, watching 4K 60FPS over the Roku on my OLED TV is fucking amazing.

It's even turned my prudish wife into a huge porn fan. She asks me damn near every night to find something new for her to cum to.

This was on the menu last night:
pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1189866241

I have a fetish and after too many years of struggling to find the right kind of porn I paid like $60 for a one month membership. It's not a great website but it has my fetish so I guess it was worth it.

Torrents and the occasional free premium video... why would anyone pay to be data farmed?

Ha. I feel like this has turned into a confessional.

Thoughtful reply. Thanks.

Yeah, kinda.

>Why? Who the fuck cares?
enemies attempting to use whores to get into your life, knowing your fetishes/type only makes it easier to send in money/life sucking whores to do so.
assholes
the way the western world is going, seems that your fetish whatever it may be will be outlawed and throw you on a list.

>Here's a newsflash... nobody cares what you're doing on the internet
that's funny, because if it were so, they wouldn't be capturing everything you do on your computer (not just the net) and spying on every form of communication.
you really think snowden was full of shit?
do you really think the people watching aren't capable/willing to use this information against you? whether it's over petty irrelevant shit, over pissing someone off, or simply greed allowing them to steal your identity or some other unkown reason.
tl;dr people are evil and shitttttt, expecting otherwise will be your downfall. every. single. time

Dude, your tinfoil hat might be on a little tight. Fetishes are the new in thing.

Granted, they call them 'genders' now, but the more you have the bigger the reward

>enemies attempting to use whores to get into your life, knowing your fetishes/type only makes it easier to send in money/life sucking whores to do so.
>assholes
>the way the western world is going, seems that your fetish whatever it may be will be outlawed and throw you on a list.
>>Here's a newsflash... nobody cares what you're doing on the internet
>that's funny, because if it were so, they wouldn't be capturing everything you do on your computer (not just the net) and spying on every form of communication.
>you really think snowden was full of shit?
>do you really think the people watching aren't capable/willing to use this information against you? whether it's over petty irrelevant shit, over pissing someone off, or simply greed allowing them to steal your identity or some other unkown reason.
>tl;dr people are evil and shitttttt, expecting otherwise will be your downfall. every. single. time

Jesus Christ.

Listen, my man.... put down the tinfoil hat for a minute. I want to help you.

There are 360+ Million people in the US.

Every day, hundreds of Millions of people are searching for porn or other "questionable" materials. NOBODY is gonna come to your house and haul you way because you're watching porn. Not the Christians, not the Mormons, not the Republicans or Democrats. Nobody.

Now... if you're building bombs in your basement or some shit like that, well then all bets are off. If you're about to go Stephen Paddock on the world and shoot a bunch of people... then yes, you should be worried. But NOT becuase you're jerkin' off to Brazillian Ladyboys.

I'm not saying that we're not being monitored. Yes, we are. But not for watching LEGAL porn.