ITT: we discuss circumcision

ITT: we discuss circumcision

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we should leave the infants intact
theres no real reason a first world country with people that take showers regularly should be this focused on "hygene"

fuckin stupid

Pointless nonsense that we only do because fucks like Kellog made it a tradition generations ago.

cut dicks are aesthetically pleasing, but body mods should be the business of the owner of the dick, not a parental choice.

jew

Thank fuck I was born in Europe, and not to jew parents.

Let him choose later. Don't choose for himself faggot

They really aren't. Scarring is not aesthetic. They look maimed.

Post moar naked babies

Yeah but they don't so....

I feel aroused by watching naked children, but i would never hurt a child. That means am not a pedophile right?

>conscientious pedo
life is suffering, right?

OH WOW LOOK A GROUP DEDICATED TO REGENERATING FORESKIN.
IF ONLY S O M E PEOPLE WOULD CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE AND KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.

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I resent mine so much that I've told my parents it's why I have no desire to get married or give them grandkids. It's not the actual reason but hey. Why not let them know how much they fucked up on that decision.

I hate that I was circumcised. There literally is no good reason to do it. Seriously, ask your parents why they had it done to you, they won't be able to give a legitimate reason. Just that it's supposed to help with STDs and such. Wtf? I JUST WANT MY FULLY INTACT DICK YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!!!

my reply was serious, dumb fag

Anyone mutilating a babies penis should be put in jail.
We don't allow the mutilation of female genitals in the west, so we shouldn't allow it to be done to males.

yeah parents are retarded. giving them shit for it won't help anything though. just makes them feel terrible.

Try using the same argument for hacking at a girls vagina, see if it holds water.

Aesthetically pleasing? Who are you trying to fool.
Only do it if it's necessary, which it rarely is. There are medical reasons, but it doesn't affect many men. It's a disgusting, barbaric and archaic practice, yet jews have the audacity to criticise FGM.

If there is medical necessity then circumcision is fine.

The bottom part of your foreskin near the frenulum feels really great when supped upon and i wouldnt trade it for the world.

How about we not mutilate baby males in the first place?
Would it be okay for your parents to remove your pinkie finger so long as there was an institution dedicated to attempting to regrowing it?

depends on the dick. some look like a naked streamlined version of an uncut dick, almost as though they were born without the skin. some have a dry cracked leathery head, a ragged chewed up scar, and and a patch of differently-coloured shaft skin that looks red raw.

the latter seem to be less common though.

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Hopefully that will work out. It'll be a few more years and it'll be pricey, but if it is successful people won't be able to be in denial of the sexual harm of circumcision anymore.

yeah its the girls choice still faggot. are you saying greasy ugly roastie pussy is better? faggot

personally I've always enjoyed my circumcised dingus

pics?

I wish i was never circumcised! I can barely feel anything and my orgasms are basic at best. Plus i feel like my dick would look and feel fatter with the extra bit still attached.

>first world country
You know the Soviet Union was decades ago, right?

Subjective, but agreed otherwise.

My gf says that my foreskin adds sensation because of the extra skin makes like a rib.

All cut heads are going to be dry and rough to some degree. The cracking comes from when the foreskin is ripped away from the glans, so anyone cut later in life after those have naturally separated won't have that.
Not having the differently colored shaft skin is worse. That means they either cut off most of the sensitive inner foreskin, or it's seriously keratinized over.
A normal dick with the foreskin retracted looks far more aesthetic and healthy than any variety of cut one.

But it's not the guys choice, which is the issue here, you dumb cunt.

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Would suck, but uncut cocks look great too

Does it really feel different when it comes to sex?

Should only be done for Jews and medical reasons, but otherwise best left voluntary for the male later in life because while circumcision has its benefits, it's not like it's a holy grail to solve problems.

There's still all of us duped out of our foreskins m8.
If they get full funding it will be available by 2020.

it's already done for "medical reasons"

Let's see, what's an ethnic group that has a history of going into the medical profession... what are they called again... rhymes with zoos...

I feel kinda bad, because I'm an uncut gayfag, but nothing turns me on more than a cut dick. I blame American porn.

We all know whos behind it. Jews like to do it because it hard-codes a unique type of psychological trauma into the victim that engenders a low self esteem and irrational fears and bolsters submissiveness throughout the victims life. It's designed to rob the victim of the full pleasure of sex with the intention to curb sexual and procrative activity in the mentally scarred goy child.

tldr it's the jews forcing saturnian values onto subsequent generations

I'm not saying it's a bad thing and I'm glad to see efforts to recover what was wrongfully taken from you.
I was just saying it shouldn't be used as an excuse to dismiss the practice of mutilating newborn boys.

Moral hygiene. Deep down amerifats still hate sex and pleasure. There's really no other way to explain their economic system post-WWII.

why would we discuss this?

Bullshit practice to do it routinely. I'm disgusted that Americans do it still and that it's legal to do without just medical cause. Tissue removal should be a thing of last resort and we just do it due to myths and misconceptions and public ignorance on the matter. Outside of rotations where you have a say in the matter I'd refuse to perform those just because the dumb ass parents think they know best. Do no harm, this does harm in a lot of ways and the drawbacks cut into the benefits in first world countries. Only time I might advocate for it is in some third world countries temporarily until contraceptives and public views are changed enough to get away from it.

Religious bullshit.

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file.scirp.org/Html/3-1990071_55727.htm

Jews.

Far from the worst looking dick I've ever seen, but it would still look better intact. Looks quite tightly cut as well, so it won't function well. Can't see it in that pic, but one of the worst parts of a cut dick is the frenulum, which is either fucked up to some degree or missing entirely. The latter just looks wrong.

Well the shit worked like shit because I have a predisposition to violence and if I meet the motherfucker who did it to me I'm going to remove his testicles through his anus.

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It's not that deep. It just Jews normalizing what is a barbaric act which wouldn't survive scrutiny in a world where routine infact circumcision is not the norm.

If they didn't make cutting baby dicks normal, they and Muslims would be seen rightfully as horrible child abusers. Who thinks it's perfectly ok to cut skin from an infant's penis? I mean who REALLY thinks THAT'S ok?

But they call it "circumcision". Like "pro-choice" means being for baby murder.

it was actually the Kellog Brothers who popularised it, and they were both Catholics.

the reason it became popular was to attempt to keep people from masturbating.

It doesn't curb procreative sex. On the contrary, it engenders a craving for it. All the better to keep the working class poor and expendable.

Yes, sex post-circumcision doesn't have the same pleasant tickle as before.
t.has fucked on both sides of the fence

>Kellogg
>Catholics
Looks like someone got tricked by crytojews

Not what I'm talking about. To be more specific, I mean phimosis or irreversible abnormalities or severe infections.

Isn't Catholicism just Zionist Christianity? I mean, it's one doozie of a repressive psyop

I know what you're talking about, but you need to use the correct terminology if you want to change minds. What we're against is routine infant circumcision. What you're arguing for it circumcision to correct a medical condition, which is when something so radical like cutting off half the penis skin should be considered.

Yeah when your popes are obvious filthy zionist jews like Ratzinger etc you know that shit isn't what it pretends to be. That's even without mentioning the masonic-like cult rituals and protected pedo-rings

If you're one of the 10% of guys who'd eventually require circumcision at some point to fix a foreskin problem, then you were actually quite lucky to get cut at birth and avoid the stress, pain, recovery, and knowledge of what's different.

If you're one of the 90% of guys who would have grown up with a normal functioning foreskin then you're missing a healthy part of your dick for no good reason. At best you have some minor benefits from it, at worst you could debatably be missing out on some pleasure.

It all depends on how you look at it. Either way you're stuck with what was decided for you, so you might as well choose to believe you're one of the 10%

Nice bullshit rationalization

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Forced mutilation is fucking retarded and it's about time we made it illegal. Baby girls get that protection - baby boys should too.

Medical reasons is correct, proponents are misdefining it.

Nope, Seventh-Day Adventist.

No, Protestantism is Zionist Christianity.

The Catholic Church has been opposed to circumcision since practically the beginning. A few hundred years ago a Pope basically called it a mortal sin and said circumcised people have no hope of salvation.

Kellogg was a 7th Day Adventist.

They didn't popularize it in America, but they're definitely the biggest obstacle to it going away. You've got Jews on the American Academy of Pediatrics Circumcision taskforce giving BS info because they want to protect their sick ritual. You've got Jewish groups in San Francisco and Germany opposing bans. You've got a pro-circumcision Jewish lawyer defending the doctor accused of female genital mutilation arguing a religious right and that the damage done was similar to circumcision, because if she's convicted and the FGM law is upheld for this case, that means banning MGM wouldn't violate the 1st amendment, and in fact it should be banned under the 14th.

The distinction you're looking for is a medical procedure done for therapeutic reasons vs preventative reasons.

Before you sound stupid, do your research. user is correct.

Circumcision was around long before the Jews. It was popularized in this country be the anti-masturbation people, led by the Kelloggs.

I live in a heavily Jewish town. They've seen me at the club, and couldn't give a rat's ass that I'm not cut. You think far too much of yourself if you really think they care what you do.

>then you were actually quite lucky to get cut at birth and avoid the stress, pain,
Yeah, babies still go through that shit, they just don't have any ways of knowing why, so it'll affect them even though they might not consciously remember the trauma.

>10%
Try 1%

It's a sick fucking practice and when I got older and tried to sue the Dr. and hospital, the judge threw out the case because it was an elective procedure.

why did you get it done?

>damage controlling catholicism this bad
Yehud got your brain

>opposing bans
Yes, they oppose bans. They don't give a fuck about what you do. But, like every religious group, they don't want the law banning their religion.
There are jew doctors giving bs, as well as christian doctors, muslim doctors, etc. And you've got all of the above telling the truth. My Mom's doctor was jewish and recommended against it except for religious purposes.

They don't care about individual cattle. They care about the herd.

My foreskin was too long to work well during intercourse and, long story short, it was free through a friend of a friend. I can say it made intercourse a little better and masturbation a little less interesting.

Protestants are more Jewish than Catholics. Read your history, son.

The fact that anyone thinks they should have the right to practice their religion with a knife on someone else's body is insane to begin with.

The Soviets banned it in Russia for decades and what harm did it do? The men just got it done as adults if they wanted to, and not all of them did.

When Abraham first made the covenant he was like 90 at the time. The Israelites largely abandoned it while wandering the desert for years with Moses, so they're not even consistent in their own history.

They need to abandon the 8th day bullshit and leave it up to grown men.

Were you offered any options besides removing the foreskin in its entirety? you'd think they could fix it by just trimming a little from the tip.

I'm not surprised they oppose them or anything, it's just that despite making up a very small minority of circumcisions, they are the loudest and most influential in opposition to banning it. There are way more Muslims and they don't even seem to have as much influence.

The difference between those doctors and these doctors, is that these doctors are publishing the most influential policy statement on the issue that is a major factor in the information parents are going to find and the information doctors are going to give out. Jews were over-represented on the task force, and they were more interested in preserving their continued ability to mutilate their sons than giving sound medical advice.

So to add another dimension to this from a religious philosopherphag -

Though circumcision is more pan cultural than ancient judaism, this will refer to the judaic version, the modern and literal of which is a sad imposter and interpretation of the original.

The orignal was symbolic, and the proof is understood only by a true Israelite, of which you see none in the media. Here is the abomination explained. Wait until your infant son is 8 days old. This is just enough time for him to settle down to a state of milk, warm embrace, soothing sounds, frequent refreshings, then you inflict horrible pain by cutting the skin off his dick.

This is how you know if you are possibly a true Israelite. Because it is so abominable, and because you know your title is reserved for those with experiential wisdom, you know your teacher used a foreign practice to symbolize something else.

That something else is well, among many things, mostly these two.

1. By making a fleshly sacrifice, a man can present a "cleaner" and longer lasting penis to his sexually finicky wife. By giving her more orgasms, she returns for sex more often, and more offspring result. This is the interpretation for the weak among Israel, who may need to follow the teaching literally to awaken to it's hidden purpose. Which is -

2. Desensitize yourself to the world so you can fuck it up when it turns it's ass to you. This is exactly what you, the denizens of /b do when someone shoves gore down your face. You are able to stomach it and hang around regardless.
You pass the normie filter.

I'm not saying this is a good thing. I'm just wondering if you sell your self short by believing that any of the labels or symbols in use today are accurate.

You bunch of fucking nazis

It's the thing barbaric people do to their kids and the thing people defend to the death because they can't change the fact that they've been mutilated.

It was, shall we say, non-professionally done. I did my homework and ensured they preserved the inner skin as much as possible and left it loose. The good news is that the scar is large and raised and, during intercourse, hits that ridge just right.

Also Pic related

Seriously the best thing you can do is remind everyone that it's a convenant in Judaism and Islam, but not Christianity. Paul the Apostle recommended against it.

Also, try to get them to watch a circumcision. If they're having a kid urge them to watch their kid get circumcised. Once they see that clamp and their kid going all still in terror they might actually call it off.

I just got circumcised a month ago due to “the worst phimosis my doctor had ever seen” and lack of foresight. I already miss my head being as sensitive as it was, and now that I can jack off again it doesn’t feel as good. Pic related.

So the original intention was to traumatize your kid, so they'd resent the world they live in?
Well that is cruel and unnecessary.
I wasn't exposed to gore before I was an adult though and I was the one who chose to be desensitized to it.

Ideally they should watch a video rather than get as far as watching their kid. Those are plenty horrific to dissuade many people. Not that it did me any good. My mom was a nurse who assisted with them and that didn't save me.

Modern and ancient circumcision are two completely different things. The modern variety is far more destructive.

>By making a fleshly sacrifice, a man can present a "cleaner" and longer lasting penis to his sexually finicky wife. By giving her more orgasms, she returns for sex more often, and more offspring result
Just the opposite.

>Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. It has been thought that circumcision perfects what is defective congenitally. This gave the possibility to everyone to raise an objection and to say: How can natural things be defective so that they need to be perfected from outside, all the more because we know how useful the foreskin is for that member? In fact this commandment has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision.

-Moses Maimonides

No sir, the picture painted by merely describing circumcision much less seeing or doing it, should make any good father cringe, and any mother worth her salt, to knock him in the head with a rock right before he cuts.

The trauma is DETESTIBLE.

If you feel it, you may be a true Israelite.
Or maybe just a nice guy.

If you think it's merely an "ethics" issue rather than inflicting a month of hell on an infant, then you are certainly not.

What I'm doing here is condemning the practice and the absolute ignorant and mindless interpretation of it by the 3 big religions.

Point 1 is wrong because that's not how the original circumcisions worked.

The original covenant was the brit milah, which meant to cut off just the very tip of the foreskin, the overhang. This meant that the glans of the penis was still largely covered. Grown Jewish men looked like they just had really short foreskins with the head of the penis poking out, and plenty of skin to slide around during intercourse.

This all changed during Greek and Roman times, because they believe it was offensive to show the glans in public, such as baths, so Jews would stretch out the skin so they could blend in. A group of Rabbis got pissed off that Jews were making themselves invisible and invented the Brit Periah, which involved cutting away the entire sensitive inner lining of the foreskin following the Brit Milah, so the head of the penis would always be completely exposed.

This is what left modern Jewish men so fucked over.

I'm going to need to hear this story in full. and I don't suppose you have a pic of it?

>They need to abandon the 8th day bullshit
I agree with all you said. On this point, all religions should really get caught up.
Jews and Muslims should give up circumcision and kosher eating. Catholics the idea that priests cannot marry. Several that sex is a sin. Etc. with virtually every religion.

But yes, circumcision does seem like one of the most barbaric leftover rituals.

When someone asks what skin is the most important in csgo I always say Gabe Newell's foreskin ;)

it's not really a covenant in Islam. It's not even mentioned in the Quaran. It's done because a) mohammed was supposedly born without a foreskin, and b) it's mentioned in the hadith as a way to make yourself clean. Muslims have to wash before going to pray in the mosque, and pee caught under the foreskin is considered a big no-no, so circumcision is their solution. it's mentioned alongside shaving the moustache, armpits, and pubic hair.

Circumcision is one of the few things that can make me foam at the mouth from rage.
Subjecting anyone, much less an infant that can't understand the pain, to this against their will is not just an ethics issue to me, it's an issue of bodily autonomy. If anyone ever tried to do this to my baby or any baby I was near enough to protect, they would find themselves missing a lot more skin, ligaments and muscles than they bargained for.

Wow your mom must be brainwashed as fuck. That's what "empirical evidence" has done in the medical profession. Your screams of bloody murder meant nothing to her, a mother.

I feel bad for you my man.

wow that's swollen. got any more pics, and a photo of it before?

>muslims gotta be clean
>carry around a big fucking beard all the time
muslims crack me up with their bullshit

It wasn't that hot of a story, just me being a guinea pig for the Tara KLamp. Maybe there's video out there on BME or elsewhere. If I say any more I'll dox myself.
>tfw now have an adult circumcision fetish

No more pics cause I don’t keep photos of my dick lying around. But it fucking sucks.

Oddly, or not, nurses seem to be largely for the intervention. Perhaps they see the thousands of worst cases of intact penis neglect, and don't see much of the hundreds of millions of cases that work just fine.

she was probably desensitised. if you'd been born closer to the start of her career then she'd probably have spared you. after a point all that screaming and the sight of bloody stumps where once there was a whole dick has to seem normal.