You can't support western culture and not be a feminist, the enlightenment was built upon intellectualism favouring egalitarian ideals, thinking that women shouldn't be represented equally under the law is a violation of fundamental modernity.
When people call you sexists cavemen, it could be because you support pre-medieval ideas.
>inb4 ad hominems, strawmans, red herrings, ect.
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right on time user
Highly illogical
also gay
anti-intellectualism
Automatically irrelevant.
Into the gas chamber with the other downies.
You and your no true scotsman fallacy. Fuck you faggot!
>implying we support 'western culture'
>implying we support 'the enlightenment'
>implying we support 'intellectualism'
>implying we support 'egalitarianism'
>implying we support 'modernity'
>implying you know how bad things really are
Agreed.
Whoever wrote this has a very poor grasp on cause and effect.
I believe any chick that can pull a mans weight is my equal. I also believe that gender quotas, the concept of "toxic masculinity" and nitpicks like manspreading and mansplaining are laughably horseshit.
tl;dr:
>early wave feminism good
>post modern feminism bad
Kek, whatever you say. tits or GTFO
Not to mention economics.
Ask them if women entering the workforce increased demand for goods and services.
>accepting my monkey status
Go back to Africa if you want to live like an animal
Tits or GTFO
>Women shouldn't have the right to vote
The government shouldn't be democratised anyway, it should only exist to uphold liberal values like the constitution.
>Women shouldn't work
I believe in free market capitalism so I think that anyone should be allowed to work.
Sorry you're a freedom-hating anti-western pig.
>the enlightenment was built upon intellectualism favouring egalitarian ideals
It absolutely was not.
Explain this then, if we are not equal why treat them equally? Objectively speaking.
Western culture = consumerism
It was built upon secular liberalism and individualism, which are inherintly egalitarian philosophies.
Why are you conflating liberal western ideals with a derivative of conflict theory? Feminist theory is conflict theory, collectivism and all, with class substituted for gender and race. Leftist theory is marxian, all of it. The left hates individualism, they dont like the enlightenment, their ideology is based on destroying what the enlightenment started. Their premise is that the west, liberalism, the enlightenment, individualism, whatever you want to call it (they call it white capitalist patriarchy) needs to be destroyed.
I don't know what you;re going on about, OP.
I support equality fully. Men and Women need to be required to sign up for the Selective Service at 18.
Women should be prosecuted for Rape, instead of having Male victims laughed and ridiculed into silence.
Women should be prosecuted for Domestic Violence at the same rate men are under similar circumstances.
Women should be held to the same standards that men are in every single situation. Period.
Men and Women should have the same exact legal rights in family court and child support court decisions.
Destroy the infidels? Sounds pretty terroristy to me enjoy your stay in Cuba I hear waterboarding made a comeback
Yes, I completely agree. That's what feminism is, it's just been appropriated by postmodernists for their communist cause.
Woman are favored under the law currently
They're not, but ok.
I support equality, not favouritism anyway, so go cry me a river somehwere else.
but that's not actually any good. i'd be surprised if children, especially young children, aren't a lot more dependent on maternal affection
Let's not pretend that Woman's Rights aren't a communist derived aim to undermine Western values. Come on now.
You can't look at western culture and not support veganism. The western diet is a plague on the human race and to this earth. Feminism is great but what human beings should really worry about is the sustainability of our everyday habits and especially our diet. By continuing to consume animal products you are directly funding global warming and animal suffering. At least women are born free, women who have been raped have a voice. But what about the animals that are raped every nine month so you can drink milk? What about the babies that are torn away from their mothers so they can be turned into veal? Veganism is the most important movement at the moment because every second you waste playing into the animal industry's hand you are killing innocent lives.
>woman's rights
kek
I support HUMAN rights, it's just that assholes like you love to divide people by illegitimate factors like gender.
Yes, they are, actually, especially in the family court system.
I also support homeschooling and plan to be a housewife anyway, but I don't enforce that standard on all women.
Translating from feminazi to English:
"It's ok to favour women, but it's definitely not ok to favor men. And you're a sexist pig to even question me."
>You can't support western culture and not be a feminist, the enlightenment was built upon intellectualism favouring egalitarian ideals, thinking that women shouldn't be represented equally under the law is a violation of fundamental modernity.
>When people call you sexists cavemen, it could be because you support pre-medieval ideas.
You separated the thread yourself...re-read what you posted, ya dunce.
i'm not talking about enforcing things. but i think women have a stronger claim in many cases, based on the interests of the child
butthurt MGTOW
look, i get it, just stop complaining to me about it, go and fix it or something, whatever, dont pester me about it, I've seen enough of your kind online before.
Not a MGTOW loser, just telling the truth how it is.
Women in America aren't equal until they have to sign up for Selective Service like every man has to. Without it we can't get federal loans or scholarships for school. Why don't I ever hear about women wanting that?
Explain this
I am planning to be a housewife because I love children, that's my life, keep your ideals out of other women's lives, please.
For the same crime women are statistically less likely to go to jail and if they do go to jail they get lighter sentences.
Divorce and child custody favors women.
Women aren't required to sign up for selective service.
>i'm not talking about enforcing things. but i think women have a stronger claim in many cases, based on the interests of the child
idk, maybe you just want to hear what you like to so you can build up hate for women, I'm a libertarian anyway, so "federal" anything, I don't care about.
women have better connectivity. majority of studies find equal overall intelligence with differing distributions
Read the fucking thread idiot, EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW
>implying there is a collective "we" and someone here shares your exact set of beliefs
omg stop, i told u im against that, stop.
weak
he was clearly talking about the majority of Sup Forums who are opposed to liberalism
He can't stop.
majority of Sup Forums are retarded, then.
>17 Posters
>48 replies
OP's arguing with itself
Yet another sign of the mental illness known as Liberalism
He..... won't stop
Do you even know what liberalism is you fucking worm? Free seech, capitalism .etc
I said women are favored under the law, you denied it, so I presented several ways women are favored. Do you concede that women are favored under the law or not?
Have any sources to support that?
We don't give equal treatments to mentally damaged people, for obvious reasons, with women is not the same, but similar exceptions should apply if they really have less mental capacities. So no, under the Law based on the evidence, they shouldn't.
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No, because collectively, that's an abstract claim.
not really. violent crime, divorce, and immigration have all skyrocketed since the 60s. we can agree those things are bad?
I don't hate women, I believe that both genders should be equal. If a female soldier can fight just as well as a man she should be allowed in combat arms. It just bothers me that women when I ask women about Selective Service being required for them as well they have no idea what it is and when told doesn't think it's fair.
ObamaLeaf here, gonna just leave this bluepill here in-case anybody wants it.
right wing retards
you will find sources on wikipedia
Typical male superiority complex.
Since when are feminists on Sup Forums?
Feminism is a movement that attempted to be egalitarian, and has now completely gone insane. There are other movements with actual goals to support
Liberalism is the constitution, not your american appropriation of the word.
can you explain to me how the feminist movement, known before the 70s as the "women's liberation front", is not related to communism? It's literally an offshoot of the worker's liberation front. You know, that one that took the bourgeoise into the streets and shot them? It's the same with the animal liberation front, they're a bunch of conflict theorists too, that's why they think its okay to exterminate rescued animals to "save them from the oppression of capitalist speciesism". These social justice movements are all based on conflict theory, thats what collective justice means, it means waging conflict between collectives in favor of which ever distinguished group has less aggregate power.
They have always been here.
Would any claim regarding gender equality under the law be too abstract a claim?
They are justified in their effort to fight exploitation, fighting for freedom from oppressors doesn't make you a communist.
No, because I'm a libertarian and so the laws which I value aren't gender-specific in any instance.
>be male
>support fememesm
I guess you are into bondage, femdom, face seating, balls kicking and degrading. Your nothing more than a fucking fag.
so you wouldn't have changed divorce / immigration / civil rights ?
The burden of proof is on me, so if you can't prove it, why should I believe you, let alone support you?
Objectively speaking, if males had the 17% neurocortical deficit and the 40% synapse deficit, equality would still not be possible for the same reasons, do you see my point now?
Marxism itself has its very own feminists. They look at mainstream feminists like at ignorant children.
I'm not male.
I'm convinced that people who hate feminism don't actually have a grasp on what feminism actually means and are just hating the "manly dike angry 4-eyes with megaphone" feminist because they need to make up a reason in their head for hating mommy.
What's also funny is how these clowns get so uptight and up in arms about it, but then make fun of "triggered liberals" (which they aren't liberals, they are just normal people who aren't sociopaths). Like these masculine feminist hating doods are way more triggered than the triggered memes.
Musli, pls
Science isn't objectivity.
>ask for explanation
>recieve it
>HURR ID ON'T LIKE THAT IM NOT GOING ON WIKIPEDIA HURR
whatever, gas yourself. last time i respond
Everything is liberalism. Nazism? Liberalism. Communism? Liberalism. Islamism? Liberalism. Secularism? Liberalism. Atheism? Liberalism. The jews? Liberalism. The gays? Liberalism. Socialism? Liberalism. Corrupt capitalist aristocracy? Liberalism. Feudalism? That was liberalism. Authoritarianism? Liberalism. Collectivism? Liberalism. The foundational principles of liberal philosophy? Nope, the foundational principles of liberal epistemology are conservatism, thats what that is, that's what I believe in, but the damn patriar-uhh, I mean- the liberals are trying to destroy it!
I'm not American, I was just using that as an example of liberal literature. I don't support the constitution completely, no.
Are you Polygender or Dimsexual or Non-Binary? I sincerely apologize if I MISSapropriate your gender.
feminism can be thought of as protestantism, and marxism can be thought of as catholicism. They're both christianity based on the bible more or less, and the other two are both collectivist justice based on conflict theory
I'm female.
Ok then but modern western fememesm sucks only if your lesbian its somewhat acceptable.
>Science isn't objectivity
Science is facts based on evidence, facts are by definition objective....is it hard to understand?
>Receive it
Expect I didn't, you only made an empty claim based on nothing, I asked for your data and you still didn't gave any
>Last time I respond
Because there's nothing you can say that supports your idiotic theory
>modern feminism
you mean postmodern feminism, fourth/third-wave feminsim
So you're saying you can make the claim that men and women are treated equally under the law, but not that the claim that men and women are not treated equally under the law.
I think we have a misunderstanding regarding "the Law", a concept enveloping both the laws that are in place and how they are enforced, and specific laws.
Me too friend. I felt feminine enough today and dropped some turds in the ladies room. Those Cis people will never understand us amirite?
I think making claims of objective reality is a ridiculous assertion and mostly a masculine idea anyway, it ignores the right-brain mechanics of interpreting the universe.
go away please
>interpreting the universe.
a.k.a. making up shit
Yeap most cancerous than sjw's though they tend to be the same
They have somewhat different sources. Marxist feminists are coming from labour liberating, and mainstreamers are from suffragists, who were protesting against women voting rights denial.
No, that's what our bodies are doing, your senses are interpreting the universe actively.
What is feminism, as a movement, specifically trying to accomplish currently
Genders are equal
Genders should be equal
Genders are not equal
Genders should not be equal
Genders can not be equal
none of these sentences mean anything because I have given absolutely zero context to what the FUCK EQUALITY MEANS IN THE WAY I AM USING IT
having all the rights without all the responsibilities