Hey, I’m looking for advice from any other recovering opiate addicts out there. I’ve been on MMT for 3 months and it’s been incredible. Since I found my blocking dose I haven’t craved dope at all. But as the glow of the methadone wears away, I find myself missing my friends who I used with, and not just doing dope but scoring it too. I’m having cravings like crazy. I know that to an extent this will never go away, but does it get less intense as time goes by? Is this just an interval? Something that will happen from time to time? Or is it something that I just have to sweat my whole life? The ‘done is helpful, but I’m starting to miss the ritual and the rush, and just the risk-reward factor of copping. Any advice is appreciated.
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Yes. I know.
Hey, I’m looking for advice from any other recovering opiate addicts out there...
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Bump. Any advice at all?
I think the more you supress the craving the easier it will be tl supress the next time, go watch some of Jordan B Petersons advice on addiction.
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I thought that board was for porn and shit. I’d also rather hear from Sup Forumsros. Thanks man.
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I never fucked with opiates, but stay strong, my man.
Wish you the best of luck, addiction is a devil.
Not into opiates, but you really shouldn't do it OP. fenta is some serious shit and it's common now. Be careful dude, good luck.
Get clean. Find a meeting.
Can anyone describe to Me the opiate high? I don't know what the big deal is. I've only smoked and eaten weed / skunk.
I've heard the opiate high is just a feeling of contentment?
can't really help you there, had codeine once and just fell asleep. don't know the feeling, but hope you get better dude!
I've only really touched percocets and oxycontin, so I've got a fairly limited experience.
However, I was using percocets every day for 4 months. The high to me was complete relaxation, feeling content, and euphoria.
I loved them, because I could still function in my daily life, without being bored. Eventually I was taking more and more, which made me get pretty sick (I assume it's related to liver problems) and I stopped.
I do miss it sometimes, life was pretty great back then.
I think the big deal, at least to me, was the euphoria.
Man I’ve had that pure fent shit. It was white and looked like super shitty coke. Fell out on it twice. No good.
It is pure contentment. Nothing is wrong, everything is okay. Your ex that just fucked your best friend is okay, she was just doing her thing, your dead relative, well it was time for them to go and you’re happy they’re in a better place, the overdue bills, shit. That’s something you can take care of tomorrow. You’ve got everything figured out. You’re so cozy, and maybe you’ll just watch a movie. And you’ll start falling asleep, but you’ll wake yourself up just to keep feeling the way you do. You could stare at a wall for hours without getting bored and feeling super content. It’s beautiful. When you shoot, you get a huge rush and it happens all at once. You feel like you’re being pulled out of your body through the floor, and this feeling in your head like you just stood up out of a really hot jacuzzi in freezing cold air. An awesome headrush. It’s amazing.
Sounds fucking lovely man. If someone starts using, are they guaranteed to fuck up their life? Is it controllable
I’m on MMT and unfortunately 12 steppers are super anti- replacement therapy. I’d love to otherwise. And I’m not a liar so I would never want to hide that info from people trying to help me.
cravings are going to be there.. just go up on your dose if you have to it will help. you miss the action but it's just your disease trying to pull you back in. stabalize your life. go back to school go to the gym. sever all ties with your old crew until you are strong enough. really work on yourself while on mmt or you're just spinning your wheels. don't make friends at the clinic n mattet how cool they seem. once you have learned to live and appreciate life without getting high start to taper your dose down. it's going to suck and it's going to take months to feel and sleep normal again but after you get through it you will actually feel happy as fuck for reason.
go to a young people's meeting and tall to people.. tell them you're struggling. keep fighting the good fight, user. be the one who beats the odds.
Of course you’ll find people on here that swear that it is possible, but from my first hand experience (and I’ve been using for a very long time) it seems far fetched. I’ve never met anyone who’s been able to do it. Ever. I wouldn’t say “gaurenteed” but there is an overwhelming chance that you will fuck your life. I understand the curiosity, but it’s better to avoid it. Shit, eventually you’ll get an opioid prescribed for some operation or something. Just enjoy them then. Don’t go looking for trouble.
fuck them. it's a medication. it's between you and the doctor. tell them to open a big book where it says we are not psychologists and to seek medication and therapy when needed. work your own program. it's nobodies business. you're saving your life.
cravings are normal, try and go back to the things you liked to do before you picked up drugs, we stop doing things we enjoy when we get addicted to drugs. and whenever you have a craving do that thing, when i get cravings i distract myself with hobbies and before i know it i realize that im not even thinking about getting high anymore. And DO NOT entertain the thought because as you know once you decide you're going to get it there is no stopping you
I know man but the people at these ducking meetings aren’t doctors and they consider ‘done as still using. Fuck them though, it’s kept me off of dope and I don’t break the law.
If you could go back would you never take them once? Or are you glad of the times you had? Sounds like it was worth it to me. It's v hard to get that feeling without drugs? Maybe impossible?
have you heard of Vivitrol? it puts a block on the receptors which in turn takes away all cravings and obbession to the point that it doesn't even enter your mind, it feels like you have never even done dope becuase the obsesion is completly elimnated. its an injection that lasts 30 days. it's also in the pill form. i've been on vivitrol for 13 months and i havent used any opiates once. and if you do decide to use then you wont get high because there is a cap on your receptors
you tried kratom? it’s an alkaloid in the same family as coffee that interacts with the opiod receptors in the brain. smaller doses can act as an upper but larger doses definitely mimic the pain pill feeling. I knew a guy who did heroin for 7 years and was able to quit using Kratom and pot every day.
Im a meth addict and all I can say is therypy and counsling. In the end its uour choose. I wouldnt blame what your doing on yourself
That’s a really hard question to answer because it does feel very good. And the addict in me wants to say that I’m glad I’ve felt it... but after having some time away, honestly my answer is that I wish I’d never messed with it. What you don’t know can’t hurt you. It’s just artificial. If I could go back I would have NEVER gotten into opiates. Honestly. Smoke as much weed as you want! But stay away from opiates. They’re super tricky and insidious.
Just curious not an addict , kind of in the other direction.
I have pills I don't like taking but sometimes I'd rather be sick then in pain. My dr says to take the pills more often to not get sick, but that's fucking stupid and I don't want to do that.
Can this stuff you mentioned counteract
the effects of opiates but still let them suppress pain?
google iboga
OP here. Can confirm kratom is a nice, safe opiate like experience. Unfortunately I’m on a heavy dose of methadone so kratom won’t do shit for me now.
OP here. Yeah, once I finally get off of methadone I plan on taking it.
it is very very important that you do not take any opiate block without being clean from opiates for about 7 to 10 days. if you use an opiate sooner than that you will get very very sick. you will likely have to be hospitalized. you can die. i know somebody that went into cardiac arrest because they used too soon before taking the medication
it is amazing, it won't even enter your head. it;s like you have never ever used any opiates. it completly kills the urge and obbsession and crazings. i'm not at all exxaggerating. and when you come off of it there is no withdrawal. you can tell it works because by the end of the 30 days you start thinking about it again. like not a craving but it just enters your mind
This is true (although I’ve never heard of someone going into arrest for this, but I believe it). It’s called precipitated withdrawal and it’s insane. It’s one of the reasons I chose methadone to suboxone. Suboxone has a blocker (nalaxone) and I would have had to wait. Methadone is a full receptor agonist no blocker so all I had to do is go in when my withdrawal started.
I know man, it’s a miracle drug. Helps alcoholics too.
godamn, I just want a painkiller that doesn't make me feel itchy and fake hungry and makes me unable to do much but lay around
Eh. Depending on the pain you can ask for Fioricet. It’s butalbital mixed with apap and caffiene. It helps my mom with her cluster headaches. It’s a barbiturate based drug though so expect to feel drowsy.
I have been using opioid recreationally for 4 years now, literally every single day. When I get home from work, I dose. I eat dinner after the rush and nod in front of the TV for a bit, then sleep like a baby.
I have suffered no ill consequences from this. I attribute that to limiting myself, without exception, to one dose per day and no more. Never. Not for any reason.
it helps with cravings for it yes. i wish it blocked alcohol too though. actually i wish it blocked everything. the thing that gets me is the urge to use. if i didn't have that then i would likely never go back
yeah. Guy you responded to/OP Here. That was my story for a long time my man. It eventually catches up with you. Or at least most people. If you’re the exception that’s awesome man and I wish you many good years. But I know from experience that usually it doesn’t last forever. I don’t wanna tell anyone how to live though man. Do your thing.
Hi OP, not an opiate addict, but I was a really bad alcoholic and can pass some addiction advice along.
Big thing to realize is there is a difference between getting sober and living sober. Cravings will get better, probably go away or be so mild its insignificant, but part of the problem is now that you feel good, you feel like you can test your boundaries a bit. Don't. If there is one thing to I can pass on is to never test your limits, it won't end well.
Wish you the best Sup Forumsro, good job on deciding to get healthy again
Is it safe to assume that your slippery slope began by deciding it was ok to dose more than once per day, just once?
Go up on your dose.smoke weed, butonly weed. Meditate
Find sober new buddy's go camping bike rideing go swimming at a beach or a lake create new allsome memerys and keel moveing forward not to dido the other. BRos. Thare realy not your friends
I snorted 200 mg a day for just over 2 years. I mixed too many pills and way to much blow one day, passed out in an ally. I should have died. Then I took the next 2 and a half weeks of complete agony, and got clean. I eat right, work out almost every day. You have to do it for yourself. I also dropped all my friends who I did the shit with. That makes it easier. Even quit smoking. Every thing builds momentum, good or bad. Just keep doing the good and the good choices come easier and more often. One junkie to another.
user. Get off the methadone.
You don't want to answer the call?
firstly kill yourself before you go back on drugs. best of luck!
No. I dosed once a day for a long long time. Just with oxycodone. And then eventually it stopped working the way it used to. And it is escalated from there. Tolerance is what pushed me further.
Again, not trying to tell you how to live man. If it’s working for you and you want to do it, I am not judging. I did stay on the same daily dose of oxy for a looooong time though.
try different meetings, not everyone is a dick, plus... You don't have to tell them. I'm a loner so I don't really do meetings, just try to occupy your time with positive things, ie hobbies whatever
Function as in wacked out pill head function nodding in and out of consciousness all day is not functioning. All the pills have fucked up your brain chemistry get it cleaned up.
I know man but it’s like in the doctrine that people on methadone or maintenance drugs can’t speak during meetings. Someone on methadone is not considered “clean” and I get it, but people get treated cruelly at any meeting I’ve ever been to. I would LOVE to be a part of AA though.
I also take 2.5 micrograms of naltrexone in a solution every morning, and a gram of agmatine dissolved in water before my nightly dose. I have experienced no signs of tolerance at all in 4 years, so I am hopeful. I feel like I have the willpower to never escalate the dose in strength or frequency, and that if I start to grow tolerant I will take a break of several months. We shall see. I am optimistic.
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Hey man I just wish the best for you. Shit I LOVE opiates. I just got so fucked up on them after maintaining for so long I steady doses and shit. I hope things will be alright for you. Just keep an eye out my man!
Want to stop taking opiates?
Stop being a fucking failure
I agree, but kratom has caused me detox symptoms after awhile too. I used it to stop hydrocodone. But now I just switch constantly. When I run low on money I go back to my stash of kratom. So, I never know what I'm detoxing from. I'll be shopping hydrocodone after today again too for the fucking billionth time.
the more distant the memory the easier it is to forget, time does heal all wounds, of course it gets easiert. Addiction is a whole lot of short term thinking for a long time, but every month will be better than the one before trust
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Lol, you clearly have never had any experience with drugs
Right back at you, bro. I think if you manage to get flawlessly clean and stay that way for a year on daily high-dose naltrexone, you will reduce your tolerance to a reasonable degree. Then you might try going back to a daily opioid regimen with ultra-low-dose naltrexone, agmatine, and perhaps even weekly alternations between DXM and proglumide or memantine. There's some promising science behind the thought that tolerance can be forestalled, which would allow guys like us to romance the poppy for life on a reasonable basis (kind of like how normal guys can just drink a few beers at night and feel great).
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Really interesting bit on addiction.
I've seen it described as "putting down 2 heavy suitcases you didn't know you were carrying your whole life. And when the high wears off, you pick them up again and trod on, never again not knowing that they're there."