Any of guys read starship troopers? I'm reading and so far its pretty red-pilled...

Any of guys read starship troopers? I'm reading and so far its pretty red-pilled. I think a lot of the ideas in the book should be practiced. what do you guys think?

Let me guess

It's some far right bullshit story comprised of bootlicker characters and homosexual overtones?

No thanks

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Well, when no one respect order and authority
Your country ends up like mexico

Kek. The Federation is actually a more plausible globalist government then what we have right now.

I guess you'd have to guess you illiterate spic.

Did you know that Heinlein was mostly a libertarian author? Starship Troopers is part of an inspirational/educational series of books he wrote for young adults, and pretty different from the rest of his works. Great read nonetheless, but you should check out some of this other books to get the full scope.

I agree. It does seem the federation is globalist but I like the how you have to join the army willingly to become a citizen and vote. I think democracy could be better like this

Still too socialist. Equality of the races and sexes and internationalist/globalist

Service = Citizenship is a good idea though

Is it anything like the movies? Because those were utter shit.

>you can only be either a full blown bootlicker or an anarchist

Kek, typical far right nutjob black or white thinking.

From the looks of the summary I think I was pretty much right in my guess you dumb bootlicker

On the flip-side there's Joe halderman's The Forever War.

>MC comes back from space war decades due to time-skip relativity bullshit
>To curb overpopulation, which led to worldwide class wars caused by inequitable rationing, homosexuality has become officially encouraged by many of the world's nations
>World has become a very dangerous place due to widespread unemployment and the easy availability of deadly weapons.
>The changes within society alienate MC and the other veterans to the point where many re-enlist to escape
>Veterans are constantly abused by military
>survive through centuries of relativistic time and combat
>MC eventually commands soldiers who speak a language largely unrecognizable to him, whose ethnicity is now nearly uniform and who are exclusively homosexual
>He is disliked by his soldiers because they have to learn 21st century English to communicate with him and other senior staff, and because he is heterosexual.

The movie director didn't like the book and didn't even read the whole thing. So the movie is very different in many regards.

Pretty sure the book is satire.

It really isn't.

Yah the book got really weird since the part in which everyone was hooked on weed and old people were shunned from basic services.

Thank you for posting this OP. Starship troopers has definitely informed my redpilling. Especially the Citizen/Civilian dichotomy.

Plus. space mummies everywhere.

How is the movie?

has nothing to do with the book, is amazing however. Iconic sci fi

>you can only be either a full blown bootlicker or an anarchist

Kek, typical far right nutjob black or white thinking

Have you even read the book ? The movie is satire but in the book, the Federation is far from a "full blown" authoritarian superstate

The greatest science fiction movie ever created.

The book and movie are both great, different from each other but great in their own ways. Like the Shining.

Thanks, This post reminded me that I wanted to see it. Downloading now. I watched Moon last night fucking awesome.

15 years ago as a teenager.

it was preachy and boring and i barely remember the end because i stopped caring

oversimplified enemy to make the story less complex, which is a typical right wing foible

only cared about dogs that were put in danger. a great effort could be made to explain it as a story that touches on animal rights

Thanks. The Shining is one of my faves. Stoked now for sure. Have you seen Event Horizon?

the star beast was the only other book by heinlein i've had a chance to read. i liked it better than troopers

What's the most amazing is that this book was written in the 50's, yet Heinlein was able to predict a few social and geopolitical changes in the 00's
>Rise of China as global superpower
>Relations between US and Russia cooling down
>End of physical punishment for childrens
>Failure of the judicial system despite the number of policemen, lawyers and judges "higher than ever before"
>Armies starting to have more "officers" and bullshit "logisticians" than actual soldiers

etc..etc...
The best parts in the books are colonel Dubois's lessons

If you like it check out The Forever War by Joe Haldeman. It's Sci fi as well but extremely good. You can thank me afterwards.

Thanks for the suggestion! I'll look it up

Well fuck this guy recommended it after is began reading more of the thread...

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail your thread about the movies. I will read the book.
I can recommend Dune and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.

> mexicant displays his natural illiteracy.
> couldnt even google a synopsis and pretend he read it before talking trash
> too many big words, because it's written for 12 year olds in FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES

move along paco.
if we want a critique of donkey shows starring your mom and sister we will call you.

it's a book written for the youth market (10-15)
very light on the tech porn and the supporting characters are very one-dimensional
while it is written in the form of a memoir, it fails to develop the character of the narrator at all

it's not Heinlein's best work, but it isnt bad.

try Tunnel In The Sky.(1955)

the movie is dimwitted trash due to a shit script and a shit director leading a good cast through a series of plot holes and deus ex machina bullshit.

could have been great, wound up sucking.

the sequels only got worse and worse

> Forever War
> Buttfuck Rogered in the 24th Century Gay Bath House Sector

check out
The Regiment by John Dalmas (MUCH better, far less anal sex)
The Faded Sun Trilogy CJ Cherryh
The Sand Wars series by Charles Ingrid (powered armour? aww hells yeah!)

i could go on, but those are the first that come to mind

The film isn't actually that bad. It's got a sort of cheesy charm to it.

The sequels are absolutely terrible though.

>while it is written in the form of a memoir, it fails to develop the character of the narrator at all

Pretty sure he did that on purpose, relatively bland main character so that the reader can easily self-insert into the story. After all, the book is not about complex character interactions and the war against the Bugs isn't that important either (unlike in the movies), it's just a part of the backdrop. The main point of the book is to present a "what if" scenario, an alternate society which has perfectly good reasons to be different from ours, and some good old patriot values on top of it. It's really more about philosophy than about characters or plot (which the movie completely fails to convey).

I've read it, it's good!

The movie is a great stand-alone action flic. But very disappointing if you know and love the book.

I'm no statist, but I think it advocates a good solution to the current democracy problem where the vote of an idiot is given the same weight as that of a genius.

No, it's a political essay in novel form. Major themes are the importance of civic virtue, and the merits of actually earning things such as the right to vote over simply being given it for nothing.

The "Federation" in the books is a very small government society compared to our current ones

Holy shit redditfag learn how to post

The only Part I failed to appreciate was the lesson of "it doesn't matter if one or a million men is freed"

we must try to liberate our soldiers even if it means losing more soldiers?

The point is that it is that you do not free your soldiers for a material benefit but for the sake of morals. Or at least that's what I thought.

You are right.But is there a moral reason given in the book?
Sure it's nice to take care of your own men ,but you are sacrificing your own men to save them.

Of course it's redpilled. It's greatly inspired by Mein Kampf, when published it was widely critized by feminazis and Sjws for encouraging military state and love by science fiction fans for being the first book to introduce the power armour. Heinlein said that military service was a necessity for being a man and that you would never find that sense and fellowship anywhere else - quite similar to what Röhm said.

The book is Redpilled as fuck!

It's because that was a part of the nazi program. Hitler mentioned this idea in Mein Kampf.

In proper societies men are not considered cockroaches.

Then I'm pretty sure you're retarded.

Proper countries don't put other countries flag on top of their own flag either.
But still I identify as a Roach™ not a cockroach

>first book to introduce the power armour
Nah. Power armor was introduced long before that by other authors, but due to the popularity of Stormtroopers it became an even more popular trope.

Read it at least ten times... But I prefer "Citizen of The Galaxy".

>supporting characters are very one-dimensional -
This is a stylistic technique very typical for modernist litterature. If he did this he did it for a literarry purpose. It isn't necessarily bad. Great writers like Kafka and Musil did this to create a sense of angst and social distance in thier protagonists. You can find it when reading George Lukács - ideology of modernism.
>while it is written in the form of a memoir, it fails to develop the character of the narrator at all.
Again, this is a typical caractheristic of modernist litterature. The protagonist are to be static as to portray the siezure of eternal historisicm. It makes sense when elaborated, but it is somewhat of 60 pages Lukács and 30 pages Ziolkoski.

>it's not Heinlein's best work, but it isnt bad.
I haven't read the book.

You might be right. I just read somewhere that the popularity pushed for an American programs attempt of forging one - which lead to utter failure and waste of money. But it was stil cool! I was the police in my country had bacon-wrapped knight-sticks and power armours.

>that civics class scene in the book
>sjw "but i thought sharing is caring and violence is bad?"
>gets btfo by war vet teacher
>"violence is the ultimate solution, the fire rose more times than you can count, thats why we created this system so faggots like you cant fuck it up"

god i love that book

Buenos Aries was an insider job. Also note that the book is not exactly kind to the presented society. In many ways, the elite of the Federation is comparable to your archetypical NWO (with populist/patriotic undertones), brainwashing and controlling people through an obscurely defined agenda.

the thing is that social morality is more valueble and better for society in the long run