In the gun control debate, you have made quite a point of shredding the gun control arguement by stating a very true fact.
>making it harder for good people to buy guns is NOT going to stop the bad people from getting them by any means necessary
So, let's move onto the contradiction using the same logic, but different hot button topic.
>building a wall across the border of mexico will not prevent the bad people from getting into the USA. They will do it by any means necessary
Prove to Sup Forums that you arent hypocritical morons.
Caleb Ross
>inb4 trump is a god, shillary to prison, muh guns muh guns, kill the Mexicans
Hudson Scott
>LOGic
Anthony Johnson
Bumping for answers
Charles Phillips
That sixx guy sure looks like a chick
Jose Sanchez
That's some scoliosis right there.
Joshua Anderson
Honestly, I dont expect any conservatives to give me a straight answer, or a decent one for thst matter.
Jayden Richardson
OP bumping again
Matthew Rodriguez
Not all conservatives I know want a wall. They just don't want Hillary.
Brayden Moore
Well, as a moderate liberal, I didnt either. But i sure as hell think america made a huge mistake with trump.
Matthew Cooper
Agreed
Jacob Cox
That argument doesn't make sense >prevents good guys from getting in country >doesn't prevent bad guys
You imply "good guys" have a right to be in the country the same way a "good guy" has a right to guns. You see how your argument doesn't work?
Ian Wood
Guns = more protection, less people Illegals = more people, 10 kids per family
If you like population control it makes plenty of sense
Luis Campbell
How it even came down to those two candidates is beyond my grasp of America.
Sebastian Taylor
The people crossing the borders on foot or even by auto are not the ones we need to worry about.
They are the ones picking apples and oranges, landscaping, etc, for pennies compared to what a typical american would expect to be paid for the same job.
The ones bringing in drugs, guns, smd terrorists aren't hoofing it across the border with duffelbags
Caleb Clark
>people will do drugs, just legalize them but make guns illegal? i thought prohibition just made criminals out of otherwise good citizens?
Christ, i'm liberal and i can see the hypocrisy on our side just as well, can't you? Gun control just fucks over minorities already being fucked in the system.
Parker Roberts
My arguement isnt for making guns illegal. I am using the same reasoning on both arguements
>it wont stop the bad guys
And wondering how one can believe one and not the other
Jason Robinson
I don't disagree, but your argument is a false equivalence. Building a wall doesn't impede on us citizens rights the same way gun control does. Stopping third world salad pickers from illegally coming into the country Is not the same thing as impeding good guys rights. Do you see why it's a bad argument?
Juan Martin
same way liberals believe banning drugs never works but banning guns will. same way liberals think a wall won't stop bad guys, but making laws against guns will
William Wood
Yes and no. Whether we like it or not, salad picking Mexicans are the reason most americans can afford produce. Its the same reason farmers are even i business still. More than likely, a wall will just jack our produce prices up, kill family farmers, and we will still have the same issues.
Jordan Foster
You miss the point entirely of the gun control logic then. The point is it makes gun ownership more difficult for ordinary citizens, who have a constitutional right to guns. You can't make the argument that a border wall impedes any constitutional rights. It's a false equivalence
Carson Taylor
Fucking rekt >make all drugs legal bcuz u cant stop em anyway >WE GOTTA BANN GUNS OMGWTF
Ryan Sullivan
>making it harder for good people there is no such thing as a good illegal, by making it harder it's already accomplishing it's purpouse
Brayden Hernandez
You are making a separate argument. The whole point of this thread was you were proud of your logical argument and I pointed out it is shit
Adam Sanchez
I am a liberal, and i can tell you right now that 99% of us KNOW that laws against guns are asinine.
Aaron Gomez
and the people picking crops for pennies on the dollar are undercutting pay on jobs. >but so expensive if living wage paid bullshit, profits are at historic records and the entire point of capitalism is that it keeps prices low because there's competition, not because labor prices can be pushed through without regard for what people will pay.
Joshua Sanders
Bullshit, i live in seattle, surrounded by liberals i constantly try to change on gun control.
Bentley Nguyen
Tell that to wave broadband, or frontier, or even google fiber as comcast jacks up prices
Bentley Thomas
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
My point is this, summed up in a single sentence that you wont need adderol to focus on.
Gun control wont stop the bad guys, and a wall wont stop the bad guys.
Jaxson Hernandez
Of course you live in Seattle
William Baker
Exactly.
OP's argument is complete trash. Waiting for "I was simply trolling lolol" dick-tuck
Elijah Torres
Once again, you miss the point of the gun control argument which you claim to understand. You should talk to people who hold the view you claim to understand more. If you want you can ask me questions about the position
Carson Wood
Hahaha fuck that. I will own my statement until the thread 404s.
Logan Wood
Really? Bc it looks like you are getting owned. Typical liberal :^)
Nolan Gonzalez
Taking guns away from good people osnt going to help anything. I know this. People having guns readily available in their homes is more than likely the biggest reason we live in a free country still.
Christian Martin
Well try explaining it to OP, dude is dense
Alexander Cox
>building a wall across the border of mexico will not prevent the bad people from getting into the USA. They will do it by any means necessary It's true, but it's easier to regulate documented people than literal nobodies secretly crossing a border
Also, my country allows you to buy weapons, but nobody owns them. There are so few weapons around, that most of the people out there genuinely think it's illegal to own them. But they're legal, you literally just need a document saying you're not a psycho. You can get that in half an hour.
You see, it's not much about laws. It's about culture, the way people of a county think, their logic, common sense
Colton Hall
To segway a bit, the "typical liberal" statement is exactly what is wrong eith our country today. We have CNN and fox news, even our president drawing this invisible line between us, pitting us agsinst eachother while no progress is being made on either side, and our country becomes a laughing stock to the rest of the world.
Brayden Martin
I am OP you moron
Xavier Perez
faggot
Jaxson Perry
Whose fault is that? Also don't try to run from the fact your argument is shit, you made this thread, own up to it
Chase Robinson
So you sorta understand the gun control argument, but you purposefully misrepresent it when saying "hehe try out my sweet logical argument, bet you can't best it"? Bc we know the argument for gun control isn't simply "won't stop bad guys". That's intellectually dishonest, user
Benjamin Green
Already did. See:
Landon Smith
faggot
Gabriel Morris
A wall boosts security. It makes tunneling in, and crossing over more difficult and makes it easier to monitor the border. Millions of illegals use the southern border to cross into the country with relative ease. The majority of illegals are not even Mexican, they are South American and they travel long and far to come into our country. A wall is a deterrent for these people because it makes it far more difficult for millions of people to cross over on a whim. Gun control advocates ignore the fact that millions of Americans prevent violent crime with a firearm. They would sacrifice the right to protect oneself from violent criminals to prevent a handful of homicides. What happens when rape, assault and home invasions increase to levels like they have in Australia and Britain.
Aiden Howard
anyone who takes political arguments/opinions on Sup Forums serious is a fucking retard
i come here to laugh at whatever people come up with
Lincoln Barnes
I understand gun control logic. I am liberal, and I own guns. Nobody, be it liberal or conservative, are going to convince me to give up my gones without a fight.
Carter Sullivan
Bullshit. You come here to look at chicks with dicks, faggot.
Jose Green
Israel built a wall that greatly reduced the amount of terrorist attacks.
I live in a country where gun control is very strict and the first point holds true; only criminals have access to firearms while the average citizen is left defenseless.
Robert Sanchez
I'm a liberal, but American liberals are a laughing stock. They're so embarrassing, I'm now ashamed to call myself liberal. The whole USA left is so bad, it's making us look bad all over the world. Y'all a bunch of cringy cosplayer with low testosterone. This has nothing to do with the left.
Xavier Rodriguez
OP here. I have to go back to work. I appreciate all your input, and even if i disagree with you, thanks for taking the time to respond. I will screenshot my original post and start it up again later, if you geel inclined to continue the discussion.
Luke Gonzalez
you mean the companies with local monopolies? not competing over customers? what is your point?
Connor Sanchez
>>Sup Forums content on Sup Forums
Henry Richardson
Nah I'm good, I dismantled your argument
Jaxon Russell
Ok so don't you see it's intellectually dishonest to pose the gun control argument to simply be "won't stop bad guys"?
Benjamin Wood
You're right, we need more armed citizens on the border to shoot them while they're trying to cross.
Jeremiah Cook
Driving down wages and stealing jobs(working for less than minimum wage) isn't bad? Wow!
Jaxon Thomas
I don't understand You posted a facebook-tier statement, many people explained why it's stupid, you never proposed further arguments to support your idea, and instead of replying to people that are disagreeing to you, you're going away
You'll try again in a few hours? Maybe you'll find more support?
Alexander Gonzalez
>it's the illegals fault, not the people hiring them I don't get it. If it was illegal to hire these guys wouldn't that solve the problem? People crossing the border illegally looking for work obviously don't follow laws, why not pass laws that business owners must follow in hiring and paying people? If nobody will hire them they won't come.
Lucas Sanchez
Except I don't use that reasoning in the gun debate. I use the second amendment and natural rights. Try again, Mr. Potato Head.
Hunter Myers
Literally no. This argument doesn't make sense. Coming illegally is illegal, but bad guys do it any way. Bad guys would still try to get guns. A good comparison would be making it harder to get guns illegally. The wall is making it harder to do the already illegal thing you fucking retard
William Smith
>If it was illegal to hire these guys wouldn't that solve the problem? It is? Dunno specifically about murrica, but undocumented people usually don't pay taxes
It's illegal to hire people without having them paying taxes, right? It happens, sure Everybody knows it happens, like teens smoking weed
But it's not legal, is it?
Levi Bailey
Its more then protection OP, its a hobby. I use firearms to connect more with my dad and brother. Have you ever shot a gun for fun?
John Foster
I dunno. It seems to be pretty common knowledge that it happens. Everybody knows (Trump voice) these guys are coming over and picking produce. Why aren't these hiring practices enforced? Wouldn't they stop coming if they were?
Gabriel Sanders
>I use firearms to connect more with my dad and brother.
Owen Turner
They come here specifically to do that, and it's not their fault?
Oh, okay. So if I go out and buy some heroin that's the dealer's fault.
Brayden Sanchez
>Why aren't these hiring practices enforced?
From what I understood, you slowly fucked up your low-tier working system. For example, our minimum wage is recalculated every year, according to inflation and cost-of-living; that way, we don't have people hiring what's basically slaves (I mean, some criminals have actual slaves, but that's not the point). You don't do this, y'all owned by a private fucking bank (a family-run business) that spent decades manipulating your whole economy.
Sebastian Gonzalez
your acting like any illegal is good, of course you can't stop all illegal immigration but it is deminishing the ability of them to get across as ALL illegal immigration is bad.
Wyatt Campbell
underrated post
Wyatt Johnson
While I agree wholeheartedly with your point it shouldn't stop the law abiding people from making it here either, however I will agree it would likely prevent some good people who are unable to make it legally. I think the point anti gun control people should make is that it would stop law abiding people from having guns, I know that some people who have guns legally break the law with them just as I believe that some people who have guns illegally don't break the law with their guns
Anthony James
mexico has not and will not pay for the wall trump was even on the call crying to them for them to at least lie and say they would so he can save face
that comic is extremely inaccurate
Chase Taylor
sure it is......... read his book the art of the deal and maybe learn some psychology and you will know what he's doing.