Hey Yankees... just how nasty were the Native American Indians...

Hey Yankees... just how nasty were the Native American Indians? All we hear these days is what a "noble" people they were and how they were at peace with nature.

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They look kinda sexy these days.

ojibwe here. we were cool with the english and french, and they were cool with us for a while. but they just kept fucking us over more and more. i'm frankly disappointed in the naivete' of my ancestors, but eh. i'm not them, and they aren't me.

Both of those opinions are idiotic and simplistic.
The Native Americans were not a homogeneous people either so you can't make sweeping generalizations about their cultures and pyche.

They were not all peaceful, the US did behave in an evil fashion over all.

The Native Americans were assholes, just like every other country/nation/group at the time. While I'm hesitant to call them savages, war was rampant in pre-colonial era, as was torture. It is true there were some cool natives that welcomed the colonists and got fucked over, and the US was kinda shitty for breaking so many treaties. But many tribes were just as prone to breaking treaties if it benefited them. The subjugation of a people is bad for obvious reasons, but the colonist conquered the continent the same way the natives did: through forceful expansion and dubious means. The colonists were just better at it. (It also helps that the natives weren't immune to pathogens brought over by Columbus which slashed their numbers tremendously).

Anymore pics like this?

It's not so much that native Americans were so awesome, it's that white Europeans were so unspeakably awful to them, that the only way we can wrap our minds around what's been going on, is to elevate them into some kinda noble savage bullshit.

If the land was really so valuable that genocide was not too high a price to pay, then you'd expect the new white owners to be taking better care of it. But what's actually going on, is the land is being ripped up and polluted just as fast as anyone can make a buck off of it.

It's some serious crazy. Next to that, Indians wouldn't need much to look good in comparison.

my girlfriend is part cherokee because her great(+)grandmother was kidnapped and raped before a lucky escape.

>Anymore pics like this?

Plenty. I'm just puzzled as to if they were really as cruel as people claim. The White Americans were clearly pretty unfair with the way they treated them. As another user said... the got fucked over by the US Govt.

abinoojiinh miijimadaawe odayan

read the whole "BURY MY HEART AT WOUNDED KNEE"

to see how noble the yankees were with the Natives

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bury_My_Heart_at_Wounded_Knee

Well i'm guessing not as nasty as the yankees, they weren't the invaders at the very least and when your people gets slaughtered you kinda wanna do the same thing to the people who slaughtered them...

Post more! I'm sure they were pretty brutal at first when the white man invaded. This subject of natives and settlers has been peaking my interests lately. I've been trying to place my self in the natives shoes, to live a life with a race for thousands of years only to hear that some new race was coming in and wiping everyone out. Also vice versa, place myself in the shoes of the settlers, a lot of them not knowing what theyre getting into, just trying to find work in the new world and having to worry about these natives that wanted you dead every time you went out.. Sorry im kinda rambling, im pretty drunk and high but this shit trips me out

ojibwe here again. i know its the fashion to bite back at any criticism but you make a point about tribes breaking treaties, and some of them being pointlessly hostile. European society was something so tremendously different to the cultures of the tribes that they just couldn't adapt to challenge it quick enough and were overtaken. From the "might makes right" point of view you could argue the weaker organism lost to the stronger one, but on the other hand as human beings who grasp concepts like empathy, compromise, and dignity i see this as a failure to our higher reasons.

All I can say is the Cherokee are pretty bro-tier. Lots of locals tried to stick up for them back in the 1800s and on, but the govt finally gave them one last good fucking and that was it. They whore themselves out to tourists now in South Carolina but still put on some neat shows. I like their tobacco, wifey likes their shitty homemade jewelry. A friend works at their casino, pays pretty good.

i'm sorry. i don't speak ojibwe, i wish i did though.

>peaking my interest

further use of the phrase should be "piquing". make that iq bump up a notch while stoned.

Basically what they did back then, is happening now, just the method changed slightly.

dude what

For a little perspective, consider that Northwest coastal natives kept slaves. Under certain circumstances, it wasn't unheard of to kill slaves at Potlatch. No white men taught them that, in fact there are cases where they would enslave white people who got unlucky.

If they wouldve united against the whites they couldve easily driven them out, but they hated each other too much and had too much bitter history. They all considered eachother sub-human so they got divided and conquered, just like the mexicans.

>"the US did behave in an evil fashion over all."

That's your opinion. Overall, it can be argued that we did not. After many experiences with natives our relations eventually soured. If a culture is too different from another, war is inevitable and only one will be left standing.

That is neither sides fault. Look up the Anglo-Saxons and the Vikings. The only reason they were (eventually) able to get along is because the vikings (the invaders) converted to Christianity and adopted their life styles in many ways. Cultural exchange.

That was impossible for natives at the time, due to their fractious nature and how people acted back then.

just... just google it.

>gold prospector
>op does not know history

and experiences with the natives could be avoided if your ancestors didn't colonize another people's land

I'm not the person you're replying to, but to say "peak my interest" is incorrect.
"Pique" is the correct spelling for this use. It's little shit like this that that get some people riled up, but it is the slow death knell of English losing some of the finesse it once had.

Sorry your people sucked ass and couldn't fight very well. Get rekt faggot.

Entirely possible this guy was killed by other prospectors while torturing the location of his gold out of him. Blaming it on the natives would be an easy out for them.

They were "noble" in a sense that they wanted to protect their peoples at all costs from the invasion of white people who they thought would taint their civilizations. The few tribes that let whites in with them ended up getting fucked over; and they all got fucked over in the end. Fighting for your people is as noble as it gets. I think you would agree with me. and in the end, they were no match for the weapons of the white man and the vast number of their soldiers.

Now the at "peace" with nature part i would agree with; nature gave them what they needed and they did not take more than they needed. they appreciated nature and sought to protect it. I'd call that pretty peaceful

This is a broad question because even if the provincial government had good relations with Native Americans locals may not

I will cite an example. William Penn founded the province of Pennsylvania on ideas of equality and respect for natives. He went out of his way to build and maintain a strong relationship with them. When he died his sons did not deal with the natives in the same honorable way. If you're interested in dirty dealing of his sons look into the Walking Purchase, the two races had greatly different ideas about how that was to be conducted and one side was not happy with the outcome

During Penns time there was peace, but after his death violence became more common, pic related

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Colonization was not exactly the US way, you are thinking the old world, and they didn't force Natives so much as European outcasts to perform labor in the new world (that and African slaves).

The US only took lands that lacked a completely solidified boarder, due to natives being nomadic and a lack of property rights among a more primitive people.

And so after tensions grew, we took your lands (just like natives had been doing to each other for centuries, well before the white man) and created a nation.

You can either be sore about that, or you can move on. It's not like you are them.

>implying the tribes didn't invade each others territories and did not commit genocide on one another.

>implying they did not hunt mega fauna like the mammoth until it was extinct

>implying the coastal tribes did not merge with the early European fur traders to gain competitive advantages over the other larger tribes

don't romanticize any ethnic group, everyone is in it for number one

ojibwe here again one more time. i have two minds about this: on one hand it would be nice to have seen how this culture ive come from would have evolved if their connections to eruope were more fair-handed and democratic, i also recognize that's just not how europeans saw us. While a society or ethnicity might lose itself to the prevailing power of a new one, its history and traditions and stories can live on as long as people speak of it. Nobody practices the culture of ancient Egypt, but we still recognize it, respect it, and study it.

i didn't imply any of that you muppet. of course the tribes invaded and fought with each other. same thing with the whites; each tribe did not want to be tainted by the other tribe. Of course what i said was not about all tribes, and i was particularly talking about early/mid colonization. Of course many tribed joined with the rest of civilization in the end. I could of took the time and mentioned all the shit things about native americans; but i was trying to answer OP's question. Think next time before you assume everything, user

>>gold prospector
>>op does not know history


I haven't seen any dunb retarded cunts on the internet as dumb and retardedly cunty as you... but here you go, IMBECILE....

I'll even highlight the relevant Wikipedia article demonstrating relevance: Apaches Vs Gold Miners in the mid-1850s

Here's the Direct Link, Cunt.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache

savages

>>>gold prospector
>>>op does not know history

>assuming assumptions

fun fact, most tribes were actually confederations, there goes your "taint" theory

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What's the deal with women in modern culture wearing the Chieftain Headdress? Wasn't this ONLY worn by the men and tribal chiefs?

no one actually cares about tradition anymore. anyone who pretends they do is a liar.

well tiaras were only used by royalty, now every half drunk teenager on a graduation party uses it

Savages yeah yeah...
Don't gloss over how fucked up your ancestors were.

They lied cheated raped and stold
They were as awful as any muslim conquest.

I just want you to think. How hard would you fight to defend YOUR homes, your land, your 'homeland'?

Because you fought to TAKE ours

I bet the punk assholes who posted these grave markers have 'trespassers will be shot' signs on their property and the irony is completely and utterly lost on them...

>native american indians

public school, right?

Injuns just wanted to be left alone.
Nothing more, nothing less.