This shit is boring as hell and completely forgettable. Why did anybody ever like this band?

This shit is boring as hell and completely forgettable. Why did anybody ever like this band?

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high school memories duh

i decree today that life is simply taking and not giving
england is mine
and it owes me a living

there was a manchester scene and The Smiths were part of it.

Morrissey's lyrics and voice. Johnny Marr was always session-musician-tier - his music is good enough, but it always sounds like it came out of a can that gets the lid put back on it Morrissey runs out of words.

The only Mancunian band that didn't seem like a bunch of Tories tolerating each other for career reasons was the Happy Mondays, and they were shit.

BUT ASK ME WHY AND I'LL SPIT IN YOUR EYE
OH ASK ME WHY AND I'LL SPIT IN YOUR EYE

I both hate and love Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others for this reason.

Because you're listening to the wrong album, go and listen Meat is Murder and The Queen Is Dead.

Hatful is better than Meat. I'll give you Queen though.

That's an especially blatant example, agreed.

I've always hated The Smiths, The Cure, Joy Division... all those hipster bands that everyone claims to love.
I find them all so so so boring to listen to.
It's all so incredibly dull.

just listened to it. im not sure how anyone could dislike this charming man or this night has opened my eyes. the ending is a bit slower but still quality shit

Try R.E.M.

"Everyone" was never supposed to love them.
They were NME meme bands. I would say the degree of reverence millennials think they are supposed to have wasn't really a feature of how they were regarded at the time time.

And people really fucking hated The Cure, they spent their entire career (post Lovecats anyway) with everyone saying their last record proved they were fucked.

The Smiths were a sort of devotional band, you either wanted to carve the lyrics into your arms or you weren't bothered. Its only relatively recently I like their 'hits', the emo-hysteria was really off-putting.

t.oldfag

It sounds like being young and british to me and I love it. "This charming man" is just so bouncy at the start and at the same time melancholy. That song embodies my feelings of what it is to be young,playful and at the same time filled with feelings of depression

If the Smiths are about anything its the would-be working class intellectual reading your penguin paperbacks in front of the gas fire in your rotting terrace with a cup of tea while it pisses it down outside.

Its a bygone thing really, the respectable working class doesn't exist in the same way anymore. You're either a chav or its fairly realistic to go to university. Being trapped in the middle isn't a thing like it was.

Yeah that sounds so comfy. Tfw you'll never have that.

ASK ME WHY AND ILL
DIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE

Not really, its where all the anger comes from.

Just realised that Morrissey tended to repeat things a lot during the early Smiths years.

that explains why Pornography had negative reviews at release

so,is the post punk genre a meme that people shouldn't have had interest in the first place?did hipsters and underground listeners make a mistake by giving them a chance?

hes very good at writing mantras to repeat
>LIFE IS VERY LOOOONNGG WHEN YOURE LONELYYYYYYYY

stop calling things "memes" you dipshit

Its not really post-punk, its indie in the original meaning of the word. Post-punk was earlier.

The Cure were the biggest Goth band, they were a different genre but got some cross over listeners. That said, I don't think many people were into Joy Division and The Cure at the same time for example.

Its very linked to the NME and the Melody Maker, they were the scene makers. You had The Smiths (after they split up they never stopped writing about them anyway) and Joy Division and The Cure, that gave way to baggy and 4AD bands then Grunge. There was then an attempt at inventing a genre after Kurt killed himself because there was an odd gap that panicked them ("The New Wave of New Wave", nobody remembers this). Then what really happened was via Suede and Blur (Modern Life Is Rubbish) you got the start of Britpop. Right at the beginning it was actually a real organic thing, Sup Forums doesn't know this.

I saw The Cure play Just Like Heaven at Glastonbury and it was kind of a transcendent thing.

Britpop was Suede and Elastica at the start. Blur weren't Britpop at all at first. By the time they got the label it was already in decadence. It was a natural niche thing, it should never been big, but the white music journos were scared of black musicians and a world where nobody needed music journalism, so they artificially blew it up. The logical end of the NME was Blur getting to number 1 with a novelty record, "Country House". If they'd folded before the turn of the millenium they'd have a lot more goodwill than they do now.

Also, you missed out shoegaze.

since when did the UK press start praising shoegaze and then all of a sudden jumped onto britpop?
the 4AD wasn't just a label for grunge records or the only one for shoegaze

also,most of the bands of New Wave of the New Wave recorded inmediately after britpop albums

>Johnny Marr was always session-musician-tier
wew lad

>a lot more goodwill than they do now
They're pretty well liked overall, though. The only people I've seen actively REEEing at any mention of Albarn are autistic Gallagher-ladrock proles.

What other bands captured that essence? I want to say early Blur, maybe The Kinks?

They liked Ride specifically.

They didn't really, I know Wikipedia says they were "associated" but the core of it was S*M*A*S*H and These Animal Men.

Leisure is a sort of cod-baggy album.
Suede was the start but a bit earlier but the real agenda is in the Melody Maker interview for "Modern Life Is Rubbish" which was a self-consciously English record (look at the cover). They were going around wearing tweed and got Andy Patridge to produce it before they fell out. All they go on about is how much they hate American music and want to sing in English accents (mockney apparently). Graham talks about his boots a lot as I recall.

Next stop "Yanks go home" Select easter 1993 which dragged Suede into it who had said much the same things at least prior although they really meant Berlin-era Bowie, not the Beatles.

You have to remember Oasis weren't even signed for another month.

I know why my parents shake their heads at documentaries about the 1960s now.

From the ice age to the dole age there is but one concern. I have just discovered, some op's are faggoty than others

Not so much a music thing, more a writing thing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_young_men
Morrissey references a lot of this stuff.

I kind of like the Smiths but Morrissey comes off as so smug and all the songs are too long for the amount of actual content in them

The british were always more way in tune with class issues. Americans have completely purged their minds of economics and class the second that wall in berlin fell.
I mean, i culdnt ever picture an american writing common people.
Morrissy is a weird guy, has lots of contradictions but somehow makes it work. He does come off as like some pretentious artsy fartsy British homo but moz has always had a pro working class persona

>You have to remember Oasis weren't even signed for another month

it's funny when they got signed to the label
those literally who bands got replaced for Oasis,have been better treated with time
and one of them was...well,take a guess,a commercial failure

also,Ride counted for both scenes but ironically,they got mixed reviews during their britpop phase when it was the trend in 1994.

>Johnny Marr was always session-musician-tier
This is violence

Marr>>>Morrisey

they're like The The if that band was boring samey jangle-pop and a lot whinier

>marr
>session musician tier
go fuck yourself. i hate you