Why do they call the USA the land of the free? When it's anything but

Why do they call the USA the land of the free? When it's anything but.

Its people are constantly shafted by the elite, they have no real democratic vote, and they are governed by some of the most childish immature clowns in politics.

Do they get what they deserve? I have family in America and they live a good life but mainly because they are well-off.

It must fucking suck to be hand to mouth normal people in America in constant fear of getting sick. Would you consider trying a different country before you die?

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Totally agreed. Its a fake reality.

You both sound like you got two giant nigger dicks shoved deep in your mouths.... holy shit do you pussies ever stop bitching? Your fathers should be beat with a fucking golf club for raising such fucking losers.. Jesus fucking Christ you should be raped with a chainsaw. Do the world a favor drink a gallon of bleach .. fuck man you guys fucking suck!

Wrong. Listen here you third world mut Fuck off with your shit. You know who complains about this shit in America? Niggers and third world assholes like you and your "well off family". If I was up to me I'd put them on some shit boat push them off out to sea. Hope they find it back home.. nah fuck it "BOMBthe boats feed the fish" fuck outta here with this shit

Spotted. The overweight American with no health insurance. What's it feel like to be governed by a reality star who's inviting all his friends to feed on the carcass before he pushes the button?

^^^^ america^^^^
£ove it!!!!!!

It's the land of the free because even with all of the fuckery we have we're still the most free nation. Look at any other western state and it's a nanny state fullstop, it has hate speech laws, many of them even have blaspheme laws which US doesn't have. We're allowed to own guns when most western states are not. Even with all of the violence and shit we still feel mostly safe because we are mostly safe and can travel between states without much worry.

If you've not lived here then you know nothing, you're a fuckhead whose home country is shit.

It's also the land of the lie and the land of the sales pitch.

We voted him in you silly knob.. oh I have health insurance, great paying job, married, two kids, house, wife, two cars,
Naked pics of your sister, dope ass pool in my backyard..most important I'm white, guys right only niggers and third world poorfags complain about America .. so eat a bag of goat dicks, ya herb!

Went on holiday there once - food was fucking awful, everything sweet - the people fucking stink - they overdramatise everything - would not go back - shithole.

I dunno, I'm not very well-off but I'm pretty damn happy. I have great health care through my job, don't have to work crazy hours, and have plenty to pay the bills, support my hobbies, and save for retirement. I don't buy shit I don't need and I don't try to live extravagantly. Life's good over here, man, as long as you're not stupid about it. Give it a try.

>nanny state
Kill yourself, bircher shill.

Sounds like your butthurt... I would be to if I lived anywhere but America.. sucks to be you

>implying that there is enough room for everyone to have your experience of life
SOCIALISM

>they are governed
stopped right there, nobody is governing us in America, land of the free

No thanks. I've been, east and west coasts and some of the south, hated the place. I genuinely don't like the people. Black or white, didn't matter, just obnoxious, loud and childish. There is no sophistication anywhere. It's like a giant toytown, run by kids who just eat sweets all day.

Where did you go? Prob some liberal city full of niggers and third world shitheads.. its funny you faggots come over visit cities full of shit people from other third world countries and bitch about how much they suck!! Idiot.. white america is where it's at..

The Us has never been or intended to be a democracy. Democracy has to many negative outcomes. Like if 51% of your populace was pro genocide under democracy there is no argument against it

Where do you hail from? That's important, because surely you've got your own blind spots and cultural preferences to correct for.

>The Us has never been or intended to be a democracy. Democracy has to many negative outcomes. Like if 51% of your populace was pro genocide under democracy there is no argument against it
>implying that the only kind of vote that can ever be cast by the public on some issue is a simple majority vote
Nice strawman. I hear if you smoke it you can get high.

Damn sounds like you have three giant nigger dicks up your ass..

I'm from Bergen in Norway.

The USA is not just a democracy it's a republic. Not really hard to figure out.

If I did it would be through choice and not because they had broken into my paper and wooden house to steal my TV.

Not really a strawman. Under direct democracy it is by definition mob rule.Two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner is a democratic procedure but hardly sounds "fair"

Then you're probably pretty objective about that.

>implying that we owe the dreams and interests of dead oligarchs anything
The 18th century called and it wants you to come back. Your idiotic larp isnt' worth suffering for.

Some say is better than no say.

>by definition
Whose definition, dead oligarchs? Since when should anyone give a fuck about them when they're not paying us a goddamn cent?
Madison revealed in the Federalist Papers that the only "minority" he was interested in protecting from tyranny was the propertied. Fuck them.

Have you read the Gilens & Page study? They showed that the people's will gets something done against the rulers' wishes 0% of the time, and that the people's prevail against something the ruling class wants 33% of the time. That's close enough to no say.
Don't be a cuck. Don't believe the hype.

Stupid

they had some democratic punch in the UK, given the opportunity they threw a massive wrench into the works. It could still signal the end of the EU depending on how the trade deals go.

That was peoples will.

>stupid
>Sup Forums
pick any even number

Paragraph 95, Ted Kaczynski's manifesto:
>It is said that we live in a free society because we have a certain number of constitutionally guaranteed rights. But these are not as important as they seem. The degree of personal freedom that exists in a society is determined more by the economic and technological structure of the society than by its laws or its form of government.

America ( a constitutional republic) gives a people a say (vote) for both the local and federal government but the constitution limits what the government can do. This helps to show the will of the people, but let the minorities be less persecuted.

hahahahahHAHAA the yanks are even having their internet monetised

pathetic people

IM SOOOOOO FREEEEEEEEEE

Nonsense argument. Many other mundane aspects of life are heavily regulated and controlled - but they’re aren’t highly funded lobby groups taking up the cause.

Muh, but the constitution !

Fucking Americans are like Christians - pick and choose which parts of a fucking outdated, relic document that they’ll rally around, while ignoring the others.

This is what happens when Parliament fucks 40+ million strangers in the arse. The entire media who led them down the garden path of New Labour was shilling against it so it was probably good.
While the EU has done some useful things on behalf of its citizens, in particular the harmonization of technical standards, most of it is just crapification and enclosure of the commons. I don't know if the EU breaking up is really much of a problem.

>the constitution limits what the government can do.
>he actually thinks this
>he actually thinks that the founders were out to protect any minority but the landed gentry
read more

feelsbadman

it´s just a slogan, like "taste the feeling".

> Read more
Why not just elaborate. Explain you perspective to me

>no health insurance

Lol
the 'russia propoganda'
Yeah, and all those l33t russia hackers must've gotten into my computer and h4ck3d my m1nD!

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Totally agree. Electoral college has nothing to do with democracy. Also don't forget about death penalty. Only Muslim theocracies and Asian communist regimes has it. There aren't any first world country with death penalty except for USA. Fucking savages. Healthcare is shit. Public transportation is shit as well, people forced to live in vast cartoonish suburban areas designed for extensive use of cars.

your ignorance is bigly

not hard to do

Eh. The image doesn't really mean much, given how many factors go into life expectancy. I'd like a full chart, also.

Maybe not, but try having a conversation with some hick from Bumfuck, Idaho who gets their news from Facebook or some made up starbangledbannereagleburgerfreedom.cuk website.

you are a slave. you are or own nothing without your masters' consent.

So he had to visit some small Alabama town to get the taste of true America? Fucking hilarious. To be honest crackers are way worse than >niggers and third world shitheads.

in 2005 wasn't Canada's universal healthcare a violation of human rights?

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You know, I tried to study subconcious messages and the liking.

There is a /lot/ of unsupported psuedo science everywhere. NLP techniques, hypnotist nutjobs, a whooole lot of them. It's difficult to get a grasp on what's real and what's not without taking in-depth college courses on cognitive science and psychology, and even then things are difficult to apply.

1. don't know. Citation needed.
2. it's no longer 2005

I meant for the age, and also a 'full chart', IE, a lot of different countries rather than a select few, but thanks also.

I wasn't sure thats why asked. I do know that there is actual "super hospitals" where you can just pay for healthcare in Canada. Also bro you showing bernie sanders charts with no source sited in the image

It's a third world country that still likes to try and claim it's wealthy and successful. It's a shit hole that happens to have just enough rich people taking advantage of the masses of poor people to maintain a country that's on the verge of chaos but will probably never actually descend into complete anarchy.

When you look at some of the stats it's pretty sad.. number of homeless, number of murders and the unemployment rate. Add that to the ridiculous healthcare system that only helps those who can afford it, same goes for education to an extent. It's a really weird set up considering how wealthy the country once was.

like I said, the land of the sales pitch

In Federalist #10, Madison wrote that his interest in protecting against the tyranny of the majority was literally to protect the "opulent" classes from the starving, as if that were somehow moral, proper, or not supremely arrogant of him and them.

Not to mention ~$18 trillion in foreign debt to pay for the crumbling facade. It’s a Ponzi scheme with nukes.

With the mechanism of civil forfeiture being applied to the lamest of crimes, this is literally true.

The petrodollar isn't so much a ponzi scheme as a criminal racket. It's pretty close to falling apart, in any case.

Can confirm, abilify is expensive af.
Can also confirm that EpiPen pricing was a recent major news item over the past two years, and you have no excuse for not knowing about it.
You could have spot-checked them more quickly than you could have typed out your shill response, you know.

I agree that the majority should not oppress the minority. Be that by race, politically, or by success. I agree its pretty arrogant

i'm a philosophy major.

"subconscious" messages would have to be concepts involving "symbols" the mind holds that represent things. then, there is a discussion of "richness" of experience. the idea is that the mind can be fooled by certain tests. these tests are like images that flash for a very short amount of time and change for another few milliseconds and then go back to the original again. this is called "change blindness". other examples in this area are things where something isn't actually really there but the mind "fills it in" to help it make sense.

i don't know what you mean by "subconscious" but "subliminal" has to actually be perceptible to some degree to even work. there is a problem though; you can't just flash an image of a motor oil can for a few milliseconds during an episode of a soap opera unless you're smart and you do it at a time when a douchbag with douchey facial hair and an open shirt is being dissed by his hot bitch; then, you know that you should change your oil and clean up your car and be more of a man because you saw oil advertised and you should make sure to get that oil because it completes the ritual.

it isn't "difficult to apply". i spend 5 hours a week getting As in philosophy and will probably get a master's just to pad my GPA in computer science because i have nothing better to do and it impresses my parents who pay for it all.

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this is a special example. to begin with, i'm 40. when i was your age, i was tripping out and realizing all the conspiracies. i realized i was hearing "kill yourself right now" and "fuck your mother" in things and i wasn't even in a bad mood. in "blair witch 2", there's a song that plays just as they all first get together and have their first hangout discussing it all. i swear i hear "kill... your... self... right... now..." over the string guitar. think about it.

in the middle of this: low horn "kill yourself right now fuck your mother now".

>Do they get what they deserve?
Yes.

>success
Let the people decide whether someone's successful, not the banks. I suppose you're all for the tyranny of the minority.

Could also be schizo to be fair.

Is the price in Canada included in a tax payers income tax or just a separate cost. That is what i was curious about. I know about the epi pens.

>not as important as they seem
Yeah who needs rights /s

What do you mean by " Let the people decide whether someone's successful"?

Success at what, and shouldn't success be socially useful to be rewarded, or are we just rewarding people for putting their heads furthest up their ass?
People are society, and they define social purpose, and therefore success, and therefore reward.

I'm going to guess it's what the province pays for it, which is still hundreds of times cost, or respectively what a US private insurer pays for it. You're right, it does need to be properly sourced.

ITT: orphaned statistics

I agree that people are society, and they define social purpose, and therefore success. I have a question for you. Do you think banks hold a good social purpose. Not trying to be dick just want to hear other people's opinions.

Only insofar as the profits are paid to society at large. Private banks are shit. Public banks, such as North Dakota's, work out fairly nicely. Imagine what could be done for the common wealth if profits from banking were returned to the people in the form of public goods and services, rather than sequestered with people whose only claim to that return, such as it is, is having it in the first place.

Jew nigger sympathizer detected

learn the law, stop being a slave. everyone operates under a law, common law, maritime law, civil law. find out what applies to you, what contracts you have and how to cancel them. the laws are obscure as no one actually knows law but a few elites, most only practice law - like a lawyer they practice the application of law but are not required to know all laws

I have a question. Is a public bank government owned (state or federal) or is it like a publicly traded corporation. I've read up more on LLCs than I have on banking

all banks are regulated by the federal government so they cannot have policy that is in conflict with fed policy. they are also private but the "Business" they conduct is regulated

For the purposes of this discussion, pubilc vs. private refers to who benefits from the profits, which is more or less who owns it.

The Bank of North Dakota is established and owned by the state of North Dakota, for example. Chase is owned by entities expecting private gain from it.

Eurotard detected.

If anything the last election proves our votes matter.

i know that there is federal regulation. I just dont really dont see a issue with a private citizen starting a bank if they adhere to federal and state regulations. i.e no predatory actions and no discriminatory loaning

It's really called the land of the free because of how free and prosperous our prison populations are. Also because of how free everyone is to to give massive campaign donations with no strings attached to their elected officials. Financial transactions are considered free speech according to the supreme Court so long as they are given to a politician. #MERUCA#FREEDOM
Just don't go trying to talk to a drug dealer or prostitute. Then it isn't free speech. #FREEDOM

You have the option to get rich in America, haven't you? Then why are you complaining about politics? Those people have nothing to do with your ability to get rich. (Or rich, live comfortably) Why are you people always complaining about something when it's probably some personal issue? Just grow the fuck up for once, there is opportunity everywhere and it's never been easier to make money.

Lending for profit is an inherently predatory action. I can't see any reason to allow anyone to lend for profit.
>federal and state regulations
There's the rub. Federal and state regulations in this and most other matters are set by the class that profits.

>You have the option to get rich in America, haven't you?
If everyone did, nobody would be rich, now would they? All that hard work for nothing. Good thing that it's not even possible, isn't it?
>muh opportunity
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

you mean a Free Man of the Land under no obligations or contracts? you can do that, you just need to enter into a contract with the government and abide by those maritime laws, im not sure if you would be a considered a united states citizen after that but probably - it gets very techinical because no one knows the law or doesnt want it actually in the public but look at those banks and none are started independently they are are subsidiaries.

>You have the option to get rich in America, haven't you? Then why are you complaining about politics?
Tell that to the miners working for Koch industries, dying of black lung, too poor to afford health care. While the Koch brothers pocket billions and use that to buy the republican party and annihilate regulations and fight to keep wages low.

Incentive is very important. It what drives everyone. I don't see an incentive for leading without profit. For example the bank of North Dakota lends business loans to hopefully get an opportunity to tax the citizen and their LLCs

but they decided to be miners, they could literally move anywhere in the usa, get federal assistance until they find work. you can get loans from the government to buy a house with no interest for 30 yrs and downpayment including upgrades to make the place livable if you rent a even a wood ass barn - ppl who attach themselves to one mode of life even though they dont like it are at their own fault. yes you are a corporate slave but you have rights and privileges under that slave contract that do benefit you, its either use them, change your situation or do the same thing youve been doing. all up to the individual. thats what fatties, dumb dumbs, lazy ppl and sjws dont want to hear because there is no one to blame but yourself for your own cowardice or ignorance.

>Incentive is very important. It what drives everyone
People don't need to be driven nearly as much as they are.
>I don't see an incentive for leading without profit.
That's because you only conceive of incentive as a private thing, perhaps? You don't see the common wealth and public goods as an incentive?
>For example the bank of North Dakota lends business loans to hopefully get an opportunity to tax the citizen and their LLCs
That's a blinkered way of looking at it. They lend because they get a profit from it. The key is that profit goes into the state's general fund, allowing the state to provision itself and its people for everyone's benefit, which includes interstate business among other things, instead of the order of some private citizen, who provisions for their further personal benefit. It's a service first, a numbers game second.

Also, you're looking at government as a business, which is a defective way of looking at an entity that's supposed to serve the public, not itself.

what the fuck man

So what you're saying is, these people who barely make enough money to keep their heads above water should quit their job, pack up their belonging, and just move somewhere else on a whim that there may be a higher paying job elsewhere? You see no problems with this? You do realize that *somebody* has to take those jobs, right? You understand that not everyone can have a good high paying job, right? If not, you are woefully out of touch with reality.

>Why don't the poor people in war torn countries just leave and go to better places??????

>>Why don't the poor people in war torn countries just leave and go to better places??????

I mean, they kinda do sometimes

>That's because you only conceive of incentive as a private thing, perhaps?
To a degree. I do believe that you should do good things your community, but i do believe this should be for the most part optional.
> Also, you're looking at government as a business, which is a defective way of looking at an entity that's supposed to serve the public, not itself
I think a business model is a comparable way of looking at it.A business (government) main goal is to provide a profit (right/security/services) to its share holders(taxpayers).

It's not so bad, unless you live it, you can't understand it.

I was lower-working class growing up but now i am looking at a 6 figure job when i finish grad school. If you are broke and struggling it is because didn't do the work.

Wrong type of free.

You just nailed it, Sir.

the fucking jews did this!!!