Emo, indie pop and indie folk music killed modern rock music. It turned it from a masculine and aggressive form of musical rebellion into a whiny, neurotic and sensitive music for cry babies and women to listen to. Hip-hop didn't kill rock. Pop didn't kill pop. So called EDM didn't kill rock. Emo, indie and nu-folk did.
The last bastion of any kind of masculinity in guitar music remains in Metal
i agree somewhat. but tbf most of the "masculine" guys were just coke heads. so it was never genuine masculinity. weed and molly is the current drug of choice for todays music stars. lsd is slowly making a comeback tho
Colton Price
Who are you to say that genuine masculinity isn't just getting high on coke?
Carson Rodriguez
kiss, van halen, the ramones, and every rock band before 1990 were never masculine
Owen Moore
>equating masculinity with aggression
>implying women didn't contribute to modern rock music
Isaiah Wilson
women contrbue to all music period. but its always a passive-agressive motivator
ex. girl cheats on guy. guy gets motivated to be successful thru music. guy makes it etc
Carson Wood
I agree but i think that there's more to it than that. I think rock has also gotten stuck in a series of traditions and themes. Like every dickhead wants to be in an indie band with no distortion and weak vocals. I feel like millennials want to play it safe and don't want to do anything new or different, maybe cause they're more interested in being in a band. Than making good music.
Brayden Harris
yeah dude nothing scream masculinity than a folk punk cover of a woody guthrie song with some hipster from portland screaming over the guitars in his shrill feminine voice. Real masculine stuff. Fuck drumpf btw
Anthony Phillips
he said nothing like that at all you dumb cunt
Ian Johnson
emo is literally the only good thing to happen in american pop music in the last three decades. it is ecstatic in the best ways
I don't care about masculinity because its only good in the stoic sense IRL which isn't in the realm of art imo. art is about extremity of expression according to the limits of reason
David Price
>implying entire rock history was masculine
Caleb Williams
men only know how to make music about themselves except literally tom morello and zack
Adam Foster
also I forgot to say that metal is massively gay
David Young
even glam rock artists had more masculinity in their little finger than the entire body of a whiny nu-male emo artist
Henry Robinson
>snarky reply disagreeing with OP
Wyatt Flores
and being gay is one of the most masculine things you can be
Jacob Ross
did you idiots ever even SEE the rage of a woman or SJW or "nu-male"
there's more aggression in that injustice than in your pinky sized electric guitar kissing chili peppers loving tiny penis
Anthony Perry
>musical rebellion rebellion against what? rock music has always been a best-selling genre and just as corporate as hip-hop, pop and EDM. I grew up a rockist but now even I have to admit the genre is in dire need of retirement. All contemporary musical innovations or "rebellions" are taking place elsewhere
>the last bastion of masculinty jesus christ, go join a meninist facebook group so you can affiliate with other manchildren suffering from a persecution complex. For someone so concerned with the status of masculinity your winging is hilariously effeminate
Aaron Brooks
why are insecure straight men so hung up on the concept of masculinity that they feel they need to perform it even in the music they listen to
Joshua Howard
true
Jordan Brown
i'm so proud of Sup Forums in moments like these
Carter Hall
Omg yh fuk whit ppl
Parker Lee
because people are desperate for some kind of identity. its hyper-vanity caused by the internet
William Long
I'd like to agree with you but why innovations? I think we notice rock is going nowhere cause its the oldest most played out genre. But I'm not hearing sweeping innovation within music these days i think things are actually pretty stagnant, across the board.
Connor Perez
I'd say that there are plenty of innovative bands in a variety of genres, and that the music of today is much less stagnant than music in previous decades. Rock isn't really dying, but fusing into new genres and going underground.
Henry Stewart
I hate the idea that music is supposed to be rebellious. It presupposes that the powers that be should be abusing their power because the claim is that it's better to have something to rebel against.
Cameron Evans
>more music than ever before with the best resource for finding it in the palm of your hand It just takes a lot more effort to wade through the shit, but eventually you'll find that diamond user.
That's not to say rock isn't being innovative, its just doing it differently. For me the best contemporary rock music are bands like pic related who are pretty accepting of the fact that rock music is dead, but instead of bringing it back to life, they play with its rotting carcass by hooking its nervous system up to a car battery.
Connor Hernandez
i'm white you stupid fucking breeder
Christopher Williams
Collective rebellion is an immature concept in itself. Only individual expressions can be fully honest and representative of one's own will.
Caleb Russell
>The last bastion of any kind of masculinity in guitar music remains in Metal Metal is rock music. Rock is alive and well as metal, despite the indie trend sanitizing rock of its rebellious nature.
Nolan Morgan
its still inspired by women
Ryder Miller
I'm a breeder? But i don't have kids, so your one of those self hating types. Well luckily for you I'm not white and still stand by fuck whit ppl.
Isaiah Lewis
>For me the best contemporary rock music are bands like pic related your example is a dead band that quit? jfc do u think b4 u post
Julian Roberts
Drugs are for gays though
Andrew Baker
I get what you mean user. I guess it's just a lot of bands didn't seem to get the memo. I really hate these disposable indie bands that are always shoved in my face like they're the saviors of all things rock.
Hunter King
>discussing the idea of rock music being "dead" >gives an example of a band who plays with the preconception of rock music as a "dead" genre are you illiterate, or just wilfully ignorant?
Aiden Watson
>be American >not cursing your father for having you circumcised
How dare anyone even mention masculinity, much less the gods of rock
Nolan Hughes
the band is dead. which makes your point invalid try again
Camden Sanders
>masculine and aggressive form rock n roll originally was rather smart than agressive and it was rather entertainment than rebellion take a look at those 50s guys, they were sleek cats
Levi Long
>I really hate these disposable indie bands that are always shoved in my face like they're the saviors of all things rock. yeah, any band who is touted by critics as the "saviour" of rock music can be sent straight into the trash. If music is supposed to reflect its cultural zeitgeist, rock music should be riddled with pessimism, anxiety and self-doubt right now
2010 pitchfolk called, they want their shitty sub-genre back.
Jack Howard
>the band is dead. which makes your point invalid no, because the band being dead IS my point. why do you think my post had the word "dead" in it multiple times?
Women are (or rather, were) representative of where rock music is right now, which just so happens to be seven years ago. Rock music is a relic of the past, all innovations in its sphere can only be determined retroactively after its death. Is that too oxymoronic for your brain to handle?
Alexander Gray
> If music is supposed to reflect its cultural zeitgeist, rock music should be riddled with pessimism, anxiety and self-doubt right now check this then youtube.com/watch?v=NyXt5dPEfeQ it is, but the media assholes don't give a fuck/don't notice anything relevant that's happening today because they're so far up their own ass, so fucking self-assured and smug
Jose Brown
I get why people like those guys, but they're not sonically interesting enough for my taste. That and the Northern working class thing, not my cup of tea.
Levi Evans
>masculinity in guitar music
this meme needs to die
Angel Anderson
dumb mexican, don't get involved in these discussions if you can't even speak english
Benjamin Sullivan
>suddenly rock is called "giutar music" as if that is a thing.
Thomas Powell
they're supposed to be repetitive and claustrophobic, didn't you say that real music is supposed to reflect its cultural zeitgeist? this tiresome trite meandering is THE zeitgeist of today. if they don't reflect it, I don't know who does.
Dominic Davis
>it's another masculine/feminine whine episode
Charles Ortiz
>Not white >Must be Mexican
Yeah, there's totally only two races my dude. Weren't you busy hating yourself because you're self because you white? Go do that user.
Nicholas Edwards
Sleaford Mods are cool, really charismatic and very funny even if the music itself isn't technically impressive as pointed out. Dunno if you've heard of Idles but they've got a similar cynical sense of humour (never heard of a band who can namedrop Mary Berry so well in a song before) with a heavier punk sound, met them a couple times too, really lovely and hard-working fellas
Oh I'm a different guy. But all i was saying is that they're not my cup of tea. I'm sure if i lived in some shithole town up north it would be my thing. But being a Londoner I'm far removed from that life. It just doesn't connect with me, it's not what my existence is like. Kinda like how I'll never get into grime.
Charles Bennett
find where i posted about white people you dumbfuck Sup Forumstard
Grayson Fisher
LOL! The west is coming to an end and you're compliant in it (though you think you aren't).
Jack Flores
>I'm going to now pretend i was talking about something else now.
Your weird.
Joshua Garcia
Right, and is this some sort of white Nationalist sentiment? Cause I'm Chinese and I live in England I've ruined the west? Real logical my nigga.
Isaac Nelson
>whuh-oh, can't find it, better deflect!
no sour cream on my taco please
Kayden Wood
Literally user scroll though the conversation and your being a self hating whitey. What even is your point? That your retarded. Your right on that one user.
Nathaniel Russell
>being so disconnected with music to the point you have to gender it to create a baseline means of relation to ones self
boi
Ian Williams
my point is that i haven't mentioned white people at all and i'm asking where the semi-literate morons who think otherwise are getting that information
Wyatt Lopez
>u just gotta live beyond the labels bro......
yeah man....right on......
Cameron Ramirez
Your just mad in general. You think you have a point but you really don't lol. I am smarter than you user i win at Sup Forums.
Camden Sanchez
refer to: 操你妈
Chase Perez
ITT
Justin Parker
I'm the only one talking to you user. Maybe you jumped in at some point. Either way you need to go back to Sup Forums. Cause you won't win at Sup Forums here.
Oliver Peterson
this picture only refers to Sup Forums shit nobody in the real world cares about, stop posting it on Sup Forums
Camden Morgan
> stop posting it on Sup Forums post your face to prove me wrong then :)
Leo Young
nu-male spotted
Luis Cox
T. Nu male.
Angel Stewart
dumb post, i never implied otherwise work on your english and maybe you'll get a job
Thomas Gutierrez
haha
Jaxon White
le patreon gamer gate indie dev memes xD so quirki
Ryder Foster
injecting gender into music is a really weird concept. nobody irl really cares about masculinity unless they're super insecure anyway. I'm guessing you're one of those, OP. I recommend stepping away from Sup Forums until you can relax a bit and just enjoy the music you like.
Caleb Phillips
>nu male tears
Gavin Ortiz
I have the best English.
Hudson Watson
t. nu-male opinions
fucking state of Sup Forums, absolute pansies, probably all beyonce fans too
Hudson Campbell
>Projecting
Aaron Robinson
i love this meme
Easton Roberts
The story about Diogenes and Alexander the Great kills me every time
Modern rock isn't dead though. It's not popular, but it's nowhere near dead. People who want guitar music can still find it, and you not liking what's going on now is more indicative of you than them.
Kayden Nguyen
it's sad isn't it? all you have to do to troll this board now is post some slightly traditional or conservative opinion and you get called an alt-right neckbeard. blatant political shitposts that never would've gotten any replies a few years ago now get 150+ posts and stay on the first few pages every time. i blame kanye west and poptimism.
Evan Reyes
welcome to the most nu-male board of Sup Forums. Virgins are Sup Forums are less faggoty than this
>I blame kanye west and poptimism
me too user, and Pitchfork and Fantano. This place used to be good
Michael Scott
>Sup Forums was never good.
James Scott
>This place used to be good
Absolute top shelf kek
Carson Taylor
t. started browsing post-2010
Brandon Ortiz
>started browsing pre-2013
Get the fuck off this board, let go
Hudson Richardson
I've been on teh chans since 2008, but desu prolly started coming on Sup Forums in like 2011/2012. More than likely its always been shit like it was back then.
Ryder Richardson
All modern emo is sh-
Lincoln Carter
someone get this man sectioned. the absolute madman.
Daniel Jenkins
hip hop is masculine you fucking idiot, rock has just simply run its course, there's nothing left to do anymore
Josiah Adams
t. nu-male
Joshua Bennett
good argument
Jackson Smith
for blacks
I'm presuming you're not black. Looking up to a masculine genre for BLACKS when you're white is a very very beta thing to do.
Jaxson Bennett
how so? it's all the same Western masculinity
Tyler Long
here's your (you)
Christopher White
Hip hop isn't for blacks, it's for everyone. You're just racialising the genre.
Logan Miller
I want all alt right spergs to go back to /r/thedonald
Caleb Bell
>it's for everyone >but not everyone can sing along
Zachary Thomas
As if a certain blooming of a genre's or sub genre's is to blame, "sensitive music for cry babies" seriously grow up, being heartfelt or more emotionally driven isn't the problem.
I get that melodramatics is annoying but being sensitive so to speak isn't bad, besides there's no definitive change, rock music in general isn't defined by certain genre's that fall in that category, music is fluent and interchangeable it's just a certain trent not even that, there's still loads of masculine rock, you just choose to focus on the things you don't like.
It's a childish mentality, judging by how you link hip-hop in to this etc makes it obvious you don't know shit, >cry babies and women
Seriously you're so square headed, your strong need to connect to "masculine" rock and how you define it as a male only genre is pathetic
>The last bastion of any kind of masculinity in guitar music remains in Metal
Good god you're such a massive faggot, you don't know shit about rock music and "masculinity"
go listen to some hardcore wear your cargo shorts and rage your fists in the air you massive muscle headed twat, last bastion remains in metal have some sensibility...
Ignorant dickswinging cockguzzeling backwards baffoon, girly girls and nu-male faggots are ruining muh genre that i literally know fuck all about.