Okee doo Sup Forumsrothers, I'm legitimately scared shitless about net neutrality being repealed. For the first time in a while, it looks like most of the left on the web AND the right agree on one thing: we want our fucking net neutrality to stay. There's not much to do anymore except stir up shit. I'm scared Sup Forums, genuinely fucking scared. The internet is the best thing in the world, and now the FCC is stepping on our fucking porch and saying "hay you, internet loser, um yeah fuck out of here we're just going to start a fucking internet holocaust where only big companies and money people get by with tolerable internet speeds." imagine, going to use YouTube one day, and the page says something like 'you don't have the entertainment package. Pay 10 monthly for the entertainment package. Maybe it won't be to bad. But I'm dirt fucking poor, and can barely afford internet. So this shits still got me going.
Okee doo Sup Forumsrothers, I'm legitimately scared shitless about net neutrality being repealed...
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I hope it happens. Get the lazy basement niggers outside to be laughed at again.
Trump says this is a good idea, then it is. Maga.
Do any of you really believe that Sup Forums will continue to run when net neutrality is repealed?
What "Net Neutrality" is caused by, and what the telecoms want to be given to reverse it, strangely hasn't been mentioned much if at all recently.
Essentially, the U.S. Government developed the backbone of the internet and it has been publicly owned ever since. It is owned by the people of the USA.
Telecoms have been giving tons of money to corrupt politicians forever, essentially trying to get them to force the government to just hand over this publicly-owned, very valuable thing, to just give it to them because they really, really want it.
This is like Pepsico trying to force the government to give it ownership of the public water supply.
There are no legitimate arguments against net neutrality, absolutely every politician pushing against it is corrupt, period.
If it comes down to this, I'll just cancel Internet service. I'm an oldfag that remembers life without it. I can go to the store to shop. Take up hobbies like working on the car, doing stuff outside, reading books. Fuck I can get over the air HD broadcasting for free. I can use Redbox for entertainment. No fucking Internet needed.
Who fucking cares? My life is more than reading memes on 4chaim. If this site goes down (it won't, there's so much traffic and notoriety right here that chink moot will probably get partnership offers) then I will just do something else.
>But I'm dirt fucking poor, and can barely afford internet.
hhahaaha faggot
Net Neutrality is literally Obamacare for the internet
>My life is more than reading memes on 4chaim.
not accurate/10
>I'm legitimately scared shitless about net neutrality being repealed
It can't be repealed. Only laws can be repealed. What you mean by net neutrality is a 2015 bureaucratic decision setting rules from one part of the executive branch. The internet before 2015 was not bad; the internet after is no better. You have literally nothing to worry about.
>U.S. Government developed the backbone of the internet and it has been publicly owned ever since. It is owned by the people of the USA.
Fucking wrong dude. The transmission and practically all relays and nodes are owned by private enterprise, which are regulated by the FCC, which demands that those private enterprises structure costs in a particular way. This offloads the biggest costs of Google, Netflix, Amazon, and others onto the owners of the ISPs. All these internet companies love net neut because it allows them to make money hand over fist without having any skin in the game. If facebook had to buy their bandwidth and google had to own and maintain their physical transmission, those companies would be a hallow shell of what they are now. Fuck em I say
He's a boss but imho Smirnoff is a poor choice
>You have literally nothing to worry about.
>he doesn't know what's happening Jan 1
in for a rude awakening
Where can I sign up for this sweet shill cash? Not even memeing, I'm fully willing to post 24/7 about NN and how great it is if you just give me an in.
You're a fucking newfag then who doesn't really belong here. Fucking blow your brains all over your wall fucking piece of shit scum bag. No one is asking for the newfags opinion so gtfo.
Not an argument. Net neutrality was a rule change in 2015. It is not a law. It does not have the power of law. It can be rescinded simply by saying so. Rescinding it would mean returning us to 2015 in terms of net neutrality.
The internet has done fine without politicians controlling it. But the lack of control sticks in the craw of socialists.
babby's first flame
This is what happens when we let corporations have political power and buy out congressmen.
As much as the Trumpfags are overhwlemingly responsible for the majority of the cancerous shits involved in this, we can't forget that the Democratic party has been infected by the same diseased subhumans (Claire McCaskill, Joseph Manchin, Gary Peters and Jon Tester) as well.
>newfag th
NOT! Lmao
Also, the telecoms gave nearly twice as much money to Dems in 2016, so they clearly figure Dems are more likely to goose the telecom profits.
Poor stupid libtards thinking Dems care...
No that means it's a really bad idea
>Make your hand-picked FCC head resign
>Put in someone else with the same perspective
problem solved
everything you're afraid of happening when NN ends - I got news for you
it already happens
NN isn't there for the people, it's there to protect corporations from competing corporations through crony laws(NN)
you already have slow and fast lanes, ISP can already block certain websites or throttle websites, these companies already trade and sell your information and it's all legal under the current NN laws
you're being fed bullshit by corporations to believe you're going to screwed when the reality is that you already get screwed for those very reasons
again, NN doesn't exist to protect the individual people from corporations or ISPs, it exists to protect corporations from competitors through crony laws(NN)
misinformation is misinformation, now go back to watch conspiracy videos on youtube made by 12 year olds
Sorry, I must've missed the big head-of-the-FCC vote a while back. I'll make sure to show up next time to pick the right guy!
its people like you that allow cults to form
Yeah, it's essentially become "do you want corporate corruption in Inbred Red or Cuckold Blue flavor" in politics. The only reason to vote dem is because the people who matter (scientists, environmentalists, non-radical advocates for social equality) are democratic. Now we just need people with these qualities plus advocating strong border control while keeping things open for legal immigration, keeping the heat on big business while uplifting small businesses and working class families, and using government to protect individual liberty.
I mean we had that, but Hillary cheated him in the DNC.
>I want to spend more money
...
>Thinking any of them care
>Essentially, the U.S. Government developed the backbone of the internet and it has been publicly owned ever since. It is owned by the people of the USA.
This is verifiably false with a single google search. When the NSA started snooping on internet traffic they set up locked rooms WITHIN the buildings owned by ISPs.
But the fact remains that killing net neutrality is guaranteed to kill off smaller one-off websites and further consolidate the internet into the handful of "top sites" like facebook, google, amazon, etc. who can afford to pay for the bandwidth.
fixed it for you
>there's so much traffic and notoriety right here that chink moot will probably get partnership offers
>you have to buy a special Sup Forums gold internet package to enter Sup Forums
it was a decision made in 2015 specifically to stop hardcore jewing by ISPs that had been shot down by the FCC with no real legal basis in the past few years before. All of the things they shot down are things you do not want to happen. None of it is pro-competition nor pro-freedom of information. Getting rid of net neutrality is nothing but a cash grab and enabling ISPs to stick their hand a little further up everyone else's ass.
Keep those political blinders on you braindead fuckwit. Look at the ACTUAL SITUATION for once, not where your friends and enemies stand on the issue.
I can't believe I have to argue in favor of net neutrality on fucking FOUR CHAN.
silly laws the internet will never be contained to your mortal rules
Use a VPN and stop begging for fasistic government control over the internet you dumb ass useful idiot. Plus the majority of internet traffic is porn, they will NEVER stop it from loading.
>But the fact remains that killing net neutrality is guaranteed to kill off smaller one-off websites
yea, its called competition - net neutrality protects corporations from competition, you really think google got to the top by being legit?
you think google buying up youtube and other brands wasn't a hostile takeover with the help of crony government?
>shill to end net neutrality
>ISPs close off internet to russia
>Can't troll Sup Forums anymore for a few rubles
Don't shoot yourself in the foot.
>None of it is pro-competition nor pro-freedom of information. Getting rid of net neutrality is nothing but a cash grab and enabling ISPs to stick their hand a little further up everyone else's ass
you're just repeating the baseless claims that were fed to you by amazon and other ISP competitors
Where did the idea for the need for net neutrality come from you ask?
You know, speculative instances like that time AT&T blocked customer access to Facetime in order to drive them to more expensive mobile data plans. Or the time AT&T throttled users then lied about it (something AT&T's still fighting a lawsuit over). Or that time Comcast applied arbitrary and completely unnecessary usage caps and overage fees to its broadband service (again, thanks to a lack of competition), then exempted the company's own content from those caps while still penalizing competitors. Or how about that time Verizon blocked competing mobile wallets from even working on its phones to give its own payment platform an advantage?
There's plenty more very real, very non-speculative examples where that came from, and the problem gets worse if you look at the bad behavior by ISPs on the privacy front (also caused by a lack of competition). Like when AT&T decided to charge users hundreds of extra dollars a month just to opt out of snoopvertising, or the time Verizon was busted covertly modifying user packets to track users around the internet without telling them -- or letting them opt out.
and what you're arguing for in this instance is that ISP shouldn't be allowed to protect themselves from corporate manipulation and piracy
you don't seem to have a problem with google doing the exact same thing
Okay, lets work this through your tiny brain point-by-point:
Ending net neutrality does not make competition between websites more competitive. If it costs more to run a website because ISPs will charge for bandwidth, and it costs extra to pay for faster connections, then ONLY the largest existing websites with cash on hand to pay will be able to run a website at the current full speed. It does nothing to enhance competition. Net neutrality is what keeps websites competitive despite the massive size and money disparity between huge corporations like google and any small website some dude runs solo. If you have an amazing idea for a website, and you set it up, net neutrality ensures that your website will be served at the same speed as google et al. Without net neutrality it is amazingly easy to stifle new startups with potential by either the ISP throttling you directly or by a larger competitor paying them to do so.
Karl?
That's a simple view. Also, google is not an ISP.
you're assuming that ending NN will automatically cause ISP to start charging more for faster connections?
they already do that, prices will forever go up as long as the fed keeps printing funny money
you're stuck on this scare tactic that NN protects you from rising prices, it doesn't, NN exists as a tool to specific corporations to protect their interests from other corporations, one example being netflix vs comcast
the free ride is over, pirates and and streaming ripoff services are going to have to start paying their fair share
google actually is an ISP now, they are currently rolling out their network, and of course they are advocating for net neutrality, they want other services like amazon and netlflix to cripple comcast and time warner so they can squeeze in an eventually buy them all up, with the help of the federal government of course
No, i'm am repeating the words said by EVERY SINGLE EXPERT who has invested their time and effort into the internet in a hobbyist, academic, or intellectual sense. The ONLY people who are not in favor of net neutrality are braindead shiteaters like you and people at the top of the ladder who stand to squeeze a few more pennies out of the system by killing it.
Christ almighty how can someone actually be this stupid? ISPs do not need to protect themselves from "corporate manipulation." They already operate as monopolies in 50% of the country; they ARE the corporate manipulators. How the fuck does allowing ISPs to intentionally degrade your service if you use it to access competitors websites come out to your tiny little brain as "protecting themselves?" That's COERCION. There are plenty of laws that apply to industries older than the internet that prevent this level of absolute jewwing.
>ISPs do not need to protect themselves from "corporate manipulation." They already operate as monopolies in 50% of the country; they ARE the corporate manipulators.
what is netflix vs comcast?
net neutrality is coercion, also it's ok if an ISP degrades your service if you use it to access their competitor because it's their network, their landlines, your costs for the ISP are going up already because netflix and similar corporations only charges you $11 a month to watch the same shit on regular cable TV without having to pay for the cost of upkeep of the network
the guy from burger king shouldn't be allowed to just take his shit and walk into mcdonalds and start making and selling whoppers to the people standing line without having to pay a premium
>you're assuming that ending NN will automatically cause ISP to start charging more for faster connections?
That is perhaps the entire point. Either that or they will do the converse with the same effect: slow down connections to smaller websites who pay less.
>they already do that, prices will forever go up as long as the fed keeps printing funny money
Irrelevant. That is a constant that applies to everything and everyone. Inflation is the baseline that everything operates relative to.
>you're stuck on this scare tactic that NN protects you from rising prices, it doesn't, NN exists as a tool to specific corporations to protect their interests from other corporations, one example being netflix vs comcast
No, I am not afraid of MY prices rising. That isn't the issue here. It's the DISPARITY of costs to smaller websites, which are already on a major decline because of the consolidation of traffic going to the handful of supergiant websites like google and facebook.
>the free ride is over, pirates and and streaming ripoff services are going to have to start paying their fair share
For one, you're stupid if you think this is going to stop piracy outright; there are always ways around. Two, and most importantly, piracy is ALREADY on a decline because of how easy streaming services like netflix are to use. People don't want to pirate anymore; netflix is too cheap and easy to make it worth the trouble. Several studies have shown that allowing piracy to exist on a small scale (such that it doesn't overrun legitimate purchases) actually INCREASES profits long-term because of increased notoriety among people who weren't going to actually buy the product anyway. Look how saturated the market for "graphic designers" is. Because everyone and their sister had a pirated copy of photoshop, a several thousand dollar piece of software when they were KIDS.
You know we didnt have net nuetrality before obama. We didnt have issue before him?
>netflix is too cheap and easy to make it worth the trouble
that's because they're allowed to rip off ISPs and get away with because net neutrality protects them
the free ride is going to end buddy, no hard feelings though
The difference between restaurants and internet services should be (*SHOULD* be) obvious. You can't pack up and walk over to comcast if verizon's line is too long. ISPs are closer to power and water utilities than they are to restaurants by a long shot.
Comcast has to attempt to coerce users into using their services instead of netflix by throttling their connections because NETFLIX WORKS BETTER. They're not trying to IMPROVE anything about their own product, they're trying to target others and degrade their product to equalize the field. That is anti-competitive; that is what communism seeks to do, albeit on a larger scale, is it not?
Keep licking those boots if you think "oh oh well it's their lines so they can just fuck me in the ass on bandwidth if they want I guess." You are paying them for service. You're also paying taxes for a reason. If you don't demand something for it they will continue to take and continue to offer you less and less for it.
Except all those times we had issues; like when Time Warner throttled Netflix traffic, and the big three wireless telcos conspired against Google wallet, and that other time a Telco blocked P2P connections... I know you're a smart cookie, can't you Google this shit for yourself?
No and kill yourself.
If your already paying a service provider for internet/monthly it would be a double standard to try and make me pay for something anyone can access with torrents. I'd just say fuck it and start a new type of file sharing software and release everything they want us to pay extra for.
The stream of information from these people is one way street with no intersections. Corporate mouthpieces -> Fox news -> brain (with minimal processing capability) -> Sup Forums
>You are paying them for service
if you have a netflix subscription then you are in fact not paying them for service, not fairly
I am demanding that net neutrality end, I am demanding that government regulation needs to relax because it's going too far
the free ride is over, enjoy paying netflix $60 a month soon, or you know you could just get a regular cable subscription
at this point you and netflix essentially owe money for all the months of heavily discounted, essentially black market television
Let me rephrase.
You know I didnt have net nuetrality before obama. I didnt have issues before him?
Just torrent you moralfag
>If you don't demand something for it they will continue to take and continue to offer you less and less for it.
So much this!
Why is it that all these "muh free market" autists prattle on about the power of capitalism, but ignore that central fact-that businesses are incentivized to give you the minimum effort and extract from you the maximum profit? In the context of Telecom companies this should be brutally obvious as they operate as effective monopolies.
This bait. 10/10 would read again.
>black market television
Thanks clarifying that for us, Ivan.
Don't spend your .016 roubles all in one place.
You are so fucking stupid! Comcast does not own televison! Netflix pays royalties for every single show they broadcast to the CREATORS of the shows. You are arguing that because a cable company *used to* have a monopoly on distributing TV shows and movies, the fact that a competitor appeared with a better, cheaper service, comcast should be allowed to jew the whole country into using their shittier service.
You think your VPN traffic won't be throttled? Don't be ridiculous. If Netflix pays for the fast lane while some startup streaming service is stuck in the slow lane, your VPN is going to be limping down the bike path if it works at all.
why so many shills? are they pay THAT much for 1 shill post? damn im in
>torrents
>no net neutrality
Pick one
This! You Faggots depend on the Internet too much
the ISPs also have to pay royalties through their TV subscription services, but netflix doesn't have to pay the offset of losing business which goes to maintaining the hard lines, the infrastructure
this is why netflix is so cheap, if netflix was paying their fair share to the ISP then a netflix subscription would be at least $60 a month, at least
this is all this goes back to, netflix(amazon) making sweetheart deals with the DNC for net neutrality
The ISPs pay royalties to content creators for the shows they broadcast. Netflix does the same. Netflix doesn't have any reason to pay for maintaining the "hard lines", in the same way that NBC has no reason to pay for your local station's broadcast antenna maintenance. Comcast owns its infrastructure and pays for it by selling its services. But someone saw an untapped possible revenue stream, and so they pursued it.
Netflix's fair share to the ISP is the same as my fair share for my blog -- nothing. ISPs serve my content at the same speed as netflix's, everyone's on a level playing field.
People bought cable television service when it first came out because it promised TV without commercials. I mean, you're paying for it, instead of just watching it for free. There shouldn't be any commercials.
That didn't last long, though.
only in your mind, netflix a huge abuser of bandwidth and is protected from paying additional premiums
you're just refusing to accept that $11 bucks a month for netflix puts ISP/cable companies in the red and that the ISP has to raise it's prices to compensate
of course you love netflix, it's so cheapo right? buy you hate those evil rotten ISPs always trying to protect their bottom line and charging customer more and more
thankfully you're not in charge right now, the only question remains is if you're going to keep netflix when the prices normalizes to something higher or if you pick up a regular cable subscription
and you piracy fags, yea say goodbye to torrents soon, you won't even be able to connect to a VPN
The concept of Netflix somehow abusing Comcast's bandwidth and owing them money for their maliciousness... what drugs are you on?
I pay for bandwidth, Comcast provides it. I can watch a movie on Netflix, download hundreds of cat pictures simultaneously, do whatever I want with that bandwidth.
ISPs see all this traffic from Netflix and want to call that abuse, but its up to their customers to decide what to do with the bandwidth they pay for. Calling it abuse is just an excuse to justify charging Netflix a fee because they can afford to pay it.
Most places, that's called extortion.
Holy shit, this is getting reasonable and civil- quick! One of you call the other a double-nigger!
Deus vult
Namecalling wouldn't change the fact that Net Neutrality is good for literally everybody, big companies, consumers, small businesses, academic institutions, porn websites, privacy nuts, democrats, republicans... everybody except big ISPs with a monopoly on broadband service.
this RP is hilarious.
I'm not paying for shit channels I never watch. That south park episode about murder porn is hilarious though.
i guess reasonable arguments shut the shills up. they'd prefer not to bump the thread.
This
yes.
how about you just refuse to buy these "packages"? what no one seems to understand is that big companies aren't going to do something that makes them earn less.
How many cable channels do you pay for that you never watch? God.
In case Sup Forums get closed after this, I'll just happily go to reddit where the content are automatically sorted based on other people's votes. Reddit won't be affected.
And you'll mail in your tax forms, mail checks to people, drive down to the bank when you need to know what's up with your account...
The internet is no longer a luxury.
None? I don't watch TV
Not all of it, maybe, but I'm pretty sure r/Comcast might start slowing down, having page loading errors, etc.
If you want internet access at all, you're going to buy what they're selling. The only other ISP in your town will be selling nearly the same thing.
Me neither, but I have to have basic cable TV service in order to have broadband from Comcast. It's a package deal.
You realize that line/tower owners have not had to pay more than the average percentage of upkeep/expanding infrastructure since 2001 based on the costs of 2000? VZ made that deal with the FCC when Pai was chielf legal advisor to VZ.
This meant every small company that used the lines/towers (cell, net, tv, landline) all paid upwards of 75% more than the line owners due to the fact they all agreed to split the shares.
The clause the FCC made, basically made startup companies who used lines/towers (metro, cricket, cincinnatti bell) all bankrupt, bought out by the line/tower owners. Thats why you see less companies in the market now than you did 15 years ago when Pai and VZ helped kill competative markets.
Your claim that big companies go under because of bandwith is moot, if they lay the line, they've been paying little to no cost if they have someone else using it.
there is no reasonable argument against net neutrality unless you paycheck is directly linked to an ISP's profit margin. People only tire of trying to convince retards that they're retarded.
>paying for cable channels in 2017
Your mom torrents everything? Or are you the only person you care about?
>2017
>having a mother
>having friends
>talking to people outside of trolling on Sup Forums
kek
So edgy!
>want internet access at all
Do you value convenience over your freedom?
maybe if you can barely afford the internet you should just cancel it and use that money for something else like food or shelter. the internet is a privilege not a right. wireless phone companies throttle internet, why is nobody up in arms over that one