>Be 3 year old girl living in Hamburg in 1943
>Mommy isn't feeling well and the family has been struggling to sleep since daddy died in Russia
>Hear a loud noise
>Mommy is screaming
>Whole house lights up, start burning alive
>Incredibly painful but quick death
What a time to have been alive.
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Killing civilians from the air wasn't a war crime back then. It's true. So if Japanese rounded up all the civilians to one big open field, and bombed them, it would've been legal. Stupid nips.
That's what happens when you unnecessarily declare war on the US and USSR within the space of 6 months after you are already at war with the entirety of western Europe and the British Empire.
Nazis were right about a lot of things, but had lel-tier grand strategy. Imagine if Bismarck were given the Nazi War Machine. Ganz Europa indeed.
>let's declare war on two fronts and start killing civilians!
>oh no! They are fighting back! What kind of monsters are they?!
Yeah... Fuck off.
You think the US and USSR would've just played along with things? Germany was going to get attacked by them regardless, Hitler was right about that. No matter what course of action he took, Russia was going to stomp down on Germany.
The Rothschilds knew this from the beginning, and probably planned everything leading up to it, to take out all those German men and consolidate their control of Europe.
Exactly Ivan. I'm so sick of Sup Forums acting like Germans or Japs were some kind of innocent victims. They brought all of this shit upon themselves.
A retarded Slav and a Jew loving American.
I have to admit I'm not shocked.
they shouldn't have invaded Poland at all, and just charged directly into Russia.
Even if the Anglos and Yanks hated the Nazis, they'd still probably at least tacitly back them against the gommies
>Soviet armies gathering on German border
>air bases being made as close as 100m from there
>Germany has a choise of either attacking first or waiting to be attacked
Which would any leader with a brain choose?
>Germany was going to get attacked by them regardless
This is pure conjecture. There isn't a shred of proof that the USSR was definitely going to invade germany. I know you are going to start raving about the existing war plans, but they prove nothing. Every country has war plan for all kinds of scenarios. The US still has "war plans" to invade Canada and the UK, doesn't mean it will ever happen.
The Soviets probably wouldn't have made much progress against Germany as the aggressors either. It took them 3 years to make sustained, successful offensives against Germany. And that's only after German industry and manpower had been decimated. Also Soviets offensives couldn't be sustained without US logistical vehicles and supplies. They'd never make it past the polish border without Studebakers.
Ditto for the US. We would've never gotten involved had the Germans not declared war on us. Roosevelt said as much. He wanted to go to war with them but lamented that he'd never get the public to support it, especially since we were busy with the Japs. . We would have sold yall weapons for sure, but no GIs or B-17s would've touched Germany.
>The Rothschilds knew this from the beginning, and probably planned everything leading up to it, to take out all those German men and consolidate their control of Europe.
You give them way too much credit. Rothschilds and families like that don't plan these things, they just take exploit them to make money. Da joos don't control everything m8.
Jewish influence in general is way overblown. They have outweighed influence for sure, but they are far from the omniscient, all powerful string pullers you stormfags imagine.
The US and UK are/were just as much controlled by anglo and germanic bankers and industrialists. It's a pluralistic plutocracy not a shadow monarchy. See Elite Theory if you want to know how the world is run.
So what should we have done Canacuck? Just let The Nazis and Japs kill our people because "da joos is bad?" They were the aggressors in both wars. We were minding our own goddamn business until Pearl harbor. The Soviets were fucking cooperating and fueling the German War Machine before June 22nd.
The Jews would've never gained the power and influence they have today if the Germans hadn't destroyed nationalist ideology and good old anti-semitism with their retarded actions. The Germans sowed the seeds of Europe's destruction more than the Jews ever did.
There's nothing better than shootin some civilians up.
ITT: people unfamiliar with the cruelties of modern war
if you're lucky and enlist now, you'll get a cushy radar station ahead of the drafts. and well before the carpetbombings restart
How would they do that though? Poland and the Baltic States separated Germany from Russia and the Germans couldn't have hoped to sustain the Wehrmacht in Russia by Naval transport. They didn't have the boats or the ports to achieve that goal.
What they should've done is got the UK, Poland. and French to go along with their plan. They probably would've gotten some support. And if the the Allies said no, they should've accepted what they already had. Imagine how powerful Germany would be today if it had all the lands they controlled in the Summer of 1939?
>most agree that Stalin made extensive preparations for an eventual war and exploited the military conflict in Europe to his advantage
>en.wikipedia.org
"If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible."
-Truman
he actually said this, by the way.
>if the Germans hadn't destroyed nationalist ideology and good old anti-semitism with their retarded actions.
You're literally blaming the Germans for what Slavs and Anglos did after the war. You're literally blaming them for things Germany fought against. You're literally saying that Hitler and Germany should have done nothing and let Judeo-Bolsheviks overrun Europe without a challenge.
>n-n-no
Literal Jew-enabling victim shamer.
>lel-tier grand strategy
Auftragstaktic forms the basis for current modern US and British manoeuvre warfare doctrine and overall strategy.
>What a time to have been alive.
>alive.
>implying
In modern war always civilians die the most, always, without exception. In past civilians died too, but at least you didn't had cowards pushing buttons from far.
>The Soviets probably wouldn't have made much progress against Germany as the aggressors either. It took them 3 years to make sustained, successful offensives against Germany
That is because of all the top tier planes and military equipment they lost when Germans attacked them first. Do you think the Soviets ammased their best planes and armor on the German border for shits and giggles? There were air strips literaly 100 meters from the border for maximum striking range into Germany. If Soviets attacked first then it would have been a shorter war for sure.
Yes they fucking had war plans. They'd be retarded not too. Germany and Russia had gone to war just 20 years before and had been invaded from Western Europe many times throughout history. Germany was then run by a Nationalist, Expansionist dictator that had said in his bestselling book that he was going to invade Russia.
Stalin would be retarded not to be safe and prepare for the event of war with Germany (or the rest of Western Europe for that matter). That does not mean he was going to preemptively attack Europe though. There is no proof that any plan to do so was ever seriously considered, much less implemented.
From your own goddamn source:
>While most agree that Stalin made extensive preparations for an eventual war and exploited the military conflict in Europe to his advantage, the assertions that Stalin planned to attack Nazi Germany in the summer of 1941, and that Barbarossa was a preemptive strike by Hitler are generally discounted.
Massive invasion wasn't really the Commie's style. They take advantage of weak spots and subvert more than anything.
If the Soviets preemptively attacked the Nazis it would've gone very poorly I think. Look at how terribly the Soviet offensives went in 1941 and 1942. They lost millions and never sustained serious gains. They threw millions of men at the Germans in the winter of 1941 and all they could accomplish was the temporary slowing of the German advance. The Soviets didn't have very many successes until 1943 and even then they didn't start dealing strategic blows until 1944 and 1945 after the Germans were greatly weakened by attrition, allied bombing, a 3 front war. And even then I doubt the Soviets could've gotten to Berlin without allied supplies and logistical vehicles.
Britain must apologise.
Soviet elite army was busy with Japanese, Hitler got a true taste of Soviet power only when Japan gotten busy with allied forces, since Stalin pulled real army back for Hitler.
The Slavic and Anglo public would've never turned against anti-semitism and nationalism if the Nazis hadn't poisoned those ideologies in the Anglo and Slavic minds by waging war against us.
The USSR, UK, and US were incredibly anti-semitic and nationalist countries before ww2. Don't forget that the Hitler was massively influenced by the Eugenics movement in the US and the anti-semitism of Americans like Henry Ford. Don't forget that Russia was genociding jews by the millions in throughout the early 20th Century before and after the Russian Revolution.
Hell Hitlers whole grand strategy for creating a European Empire was inspired by America Manifest Destiny strategy of genociding Native Americans and taking their resource rich lands. That's exactly what Hitler wanted to do with Russia.
>We would've never gotten involved had the Germans not declared war on us. R
Kek Retard, lets see what the German war declaration says:
"On September 11, 1941, the President of the United States publicly declared that he had ordered the American Navy and Air Force to shoot on sight at any German war vessel. In his speech of October 27, 1941, he once more expressly affirmed that this order was in force. Acting under this order, vessels of the American Navy, since early September 1941, have systematically attacked German naval forces. Thus, American destroyers, as for instance the Greer, the Kearney and the Reuben James, have opened fire on German submarines according to plan. The Secretary of the American Navy, Mr. Knox, himself confirmed that-American destroyers attacked German submarines.
Furthermore, the naval forces of the United States, under order of their Government and contrary to international law have treated and seized German merchant vessels on the high seas as enemy ships.
The German Government therefore establishes the following facts:
Although Germany on her part has strictly adhered to the rules of international law in her relations with the United States during every period of the present war, the Government of the United States from initial violations of neutrality has finally proceeded to open acts of war against Germany. The Government of the United States has thereby virtually created a state of war."
>Japanese hospital in Hiroshima
>filled to the brim with newborn infants
>suddenly nuclear bomb hits
>hundreds of thousands of people instantly killed
>mainly women, children and elderly
>no military base or many troops even there
Then the US fabricates the holocaust out of starved war criminals (due to broken German infrastructure) and plays themselves as the hero in a genocide.
Operational doctrine and Tactics are not grand Strategy, you should probably look up the definition.
Auftragstaktic is about winning battles. Grand Strategy is about achieving political goals of the war. Everyone agrees that the Germans were tactical masterminds, but they were absolutely awful on a strategic level.
>loose most of your tanks and planes
>3,922 aircraft in the first 3 days of the war already
>throw wave after wave of infantry at the Germans because that is all you have left
>hope to get war supplies from abroad and wait for Boris and Dimka to slap together more tanks
If SU didn't just throw people at Germany to buy time then they would have lost. They wouldn't have even needed allied supplies if theirs weren't destroyed or captured.
>There's nothing better than shootin some civilians up.
>Checks flag
I'm guessing your Bosnian Serb following in your ancestor's footsteps
>killed an estimated 50,000 people
More like 250,000
>Mommy says it's ok we're moving to a new city tomorrow
>It's a beautiful untouched civilian city called Dresden
I suppose you're one of those people who think that "Hitler shouldn't have invaded Russia, he should have done [X plan that seems good after over 70 years worth of hindsight analysis]
I hate those people
There wasnt really "war crimes"..
There was no guidelines for prisoners of war either.. working the jews was legal.