1)be told nationality is great and something to be proud for

1)be told nationality is great and something to be proud for
2)grow up and be successful and happy with my abilities
3)realise that there is no logical reason to feel pride for being born in x
4)realise that the people who mainly are strong nationalists don't have anything to be proud off themselves and would probably suicide without their national identity
5)realise that there are stupid and smart people all over the world irrelevant of nationality
6)realise I can have way more things in common with someone in the US or other side of the world than people around me thanks to the Internet
7)realise nationalism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification with many disadvantages when a single unified world where people would be united by common interests is superior

So why would anyone be a nationalist unless they are miserable and want to feel better or get fake unified friends?

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>be told first post is best post

its easy to have no understanding of nationalism when youre greek

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Hello paid Hillary shill

>post detailed process of how one realises nationalism is stupid
>no arguments and only memes
Sasuke Sup Forums ;^)

without nationalism in the first place you wont get comfortable safe societies that give you opportunities to meet ppl everywhere.

At the end of the day, when shit hits the fan, it is your neighbors and nation you will have to rely upon.

Globalization fails as soon as you reach moral dilemmas involving different cultures or geographic boundaries.

Our society, economy, and technology just isn't good enough to overcome that yet, and it's gonna get worse in the forseeable future.

the first replies are always shit posts bud

This, really. Nothing wrong with wanting to help your own country and see it grow. But modern nationalists are using it as a crutch for their mediocrity. Look at me, I'm an Austrian, we invented waltz! No you didn't. Several men did. How many times have nationalists help pick up thrash, or worked at a soup kitchen, or done anything to help their country? They don't actually want to help their country.

Hello paid Hillary shill

Ideally I'd want a nation of like minded white individuals with whom I could form my White Utopia. But since that is not feasible I have to settle for natonalistic ideals that will unite my current people and elevate them.
Taking pride in the things your people did is not claiming you took part in them, likewise why all the white guilt but I'm not allowed to take pride in the things my people did?

Nationalism and success on a personal level have nothing to do.
I'm successful and nationalist, and in fact what I want to see less of in my country is leftist cucks and immigrants. Being nationalist means wanting less of those, and I'm all on board with that.

Out with the migrants, out with the leftists, out with the socialists and out with the white guilt retards.

The pride and all that is for the ignorant masses. It is a means to an end. And the end is W I N N I N G until you're sick of it

probably because their country has been stuffed full of 3rd worlders from different races and cultures than them.

I've worked at a soup kitchen

was nothing but Mexicans and Blacks there

>Implying nationalism is based on hatred
>Implying people don't have different languages, cultures and histories
>Implying nationalism is about you and your friends
>implying
>implying
>implying

You're just too retarded to waste my time here. Fucking communist.

to be fair ideology is more important than nationality.
I feel closer to a Frenchman or German who share my ideas than I do to my prime minister, even though he's fully Italian.
It would be great to create a new country for like minded Europeans (no non whites)

JIDF is getting stronger, also saged.

How many false premises can one post make?

It's unsurprising that a shitty ex-british city state colonised by chinks is unable to comprehend national pride and identity.

Please don't weigh in on something you don't know anything about.

The fuck? Are you saying society's can't exist without countries? The way you act makes me things companies ruling the earth would be better.

Or you know, I have brains and money and rely on Myself and money ;^)

True often times they just want to feel better about their sad selves, a thing I know all to well with worthless Greeks going around and saying they invented everything and democracy as if democracy is good

>white
Actually I would prefer a group of people similar to me that likes similar games and structure ideas instead of literally SKIN COLORADO as if that matters

I love doug stanhope, But his entire routine is based off hating people on generalizations.
Nice try shill, you're a fuckin retard.

That's why you are anti-white Communist
Give it a couple of years and you will see that we are right

You retard, can you even read.
I said like minded individuals that happen to be white.
So in my case niggers that like the same games as I do would be excluded.

Doubly exclusive system, you have to be white and you have to be like minded to be part of my utopia.

Pay denbts costa and let horses do the thinking, they have bigger heads.

tfw not invited

a healthy dose of nationalism is better than none at all as a defense mechanism against globalism.

if you have no nationalism, you're ripe for the taking for internationalists

kill yourself jew

shut up alexis sipras

>So why would anyone be a nationalist

Because borders work

The idea of citizenship is actually quite a noble one. It is the idea that in a world of potential threat, you are willing to branch out to others and recognize them as a shared identity. With it we have co-operation and shared burden, without it we're left to defend for ourselves with little feeling of responsibility to anyone else. This is a product of Nationalism, if you do not find this worth preserving, then you are a very low human being.

>Doug Stanhope

Not reading your text OP

Because this country has enabled me and my family to safely live and pursue the life we want. So I think I owe it some gratitude. My country paid for most of my medical bill's, education and provided a safe and stable environment to become who I am and that's why I'm a Nationalist.

Congrats, this is literally the worst attempt at a green text I've seen since '09.

Don't be an idiot. Migrants are even in your country 13% of the population. It's single digits in most of Europe. And what's wrong with migrants? Everyone's a migrant, if you go back far enough.

What, once? You worked once in a soup kitchen once? You call that loving your country?
Ad hominems aren't arguments.

>grow up and be successful and happy with my abilities
>realise that there is no logical reason to feel pride for being born in x

You are not very smart are you. Putting those two statements one after another and failing to see the connection.

If not for your homeland, created by the people who belied in the freedom of your people you would not grow up the same way, and probably you would not be happy, or have that many abilities.

>realise that the people who mainly are strong nationalists don't have anything to be proud off themselves and would probably suicide without their national identity

Many great Generals, Politicians, Scientists, Writers were and are nationalistst, take your head out of your arse

>realise that there are stupid and smart people all over the world irrelevant of nationality

Ratio, quantity and quality are hard concepts to understand, in Africa the smartest person is on average with a normal Europoor. While the average African makes a clinicaly retarded man seem smart

>realise I can have way more things in common with someone in the US or other side of the world than people around me thanks to the Internet

Genetics, culture, mindset, appearance... You don't share those

>realise nationalism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification with many disadvantages when a single unified world where people would be united by common interests is superior

Hello Shlomo nice proxy.

Culture always has national character and roots. An international culture is impossible.
Moreover, nationalism offers a great advantage to the nation, as people who feel motivated by love for their country are capable of doing things others would never do.

Thanks for sharing that edit. It is very good.

>be happy and successful
>stop because of shallow self loathing

Common interests are bullshit
Your interests aren't the same as a Chinaman's, and everyone knows it but western liberal cucks like you
Everyone else is still competing for a bigger share of the Earth's limited resources and opportunities
The east asians are
The arabs invading your continent are
The jews sure are
Only whites are pretending this isn't happening

Pride in your ancestors is to be grateful for what they did laying the foundation for you and continuing their work so it isn't wasted, and these decadent times and jewish subversion have dealt a heavy blow to both drives

>not being proud of where you come fomr and just letting a kike like OP hijack your cultures and morals

no

Nationalism is pretty bad, patriotism isn't.

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>Nationalism is pretty bad
t. morrocan.

I'm not going to put stock in anything a degenerate drunk says.

>realise nationalism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification
No, OP, nationalism is the only non-fake form of unification there is. I know the internet makes you feel like you live in LA, but you don't. Politics are just as nationalistic now as they were a hundred years ago. Every country is still out to get the best deal for themselves and fuck the rest. Either you play that game to win or you lose, your country gets fucked and then you promptly realise that becoming poor in a country ravaged by war is a much more real thing than the concept of globalisation and the feeling you got from the internet. So either you play for your team or your team loses and you get fucked up the butt. That's the only reality there is.

Your country was built by your ancestors.

By betraying your homeland, you are betraying your ancestors.

>Islam does nothing but teach you to hate people you never met, and to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in

>7)realise nationalism is a stupid fake artificial form of unification with many disadvantages when a single unified world where people would be united by common interests is superior
not correct
the entire list is bogus but the last point is directly contradicted by the research
youtube.com/watch?v=VTROCGb5qj8

The history of my nation is pretty interresting but a concept like heritage should not limit your life.
But the main gripe is that the nationalists want to force certain aspects of the culture their existance, what the people decide to be their main culture is what it should be. Without any shame, some things just change over time.

I believe in the core values of my country though, for actual practical reasons. Which is what matters more to me personally, actually in a sense I'm even very traditionally Dutch in this sense.

>Your interests aren't the same as a Chinaman
we both play wow
we both like pandas
we both discuss about philosophy
We both discuss about being gay and wanting a bf


while in greece
people talk about non internet things like spots and i dont give a shit
people talk about dogs and i dont give a shit
people talk about girls and i dont give a shit


So try again, facts say otherwise in my case

Your interests aren't the same as an Islamic State supporter.

Yeah hopefully GD purges you

Yet when you country has a financial crisis, you're the only one who's getting poor. When EU takes away your democracy, you're the only one who has no control over the destiny of your city and your country. Stop pretending reality doesn't exist. What are you, 12?

Dan needs to go live in Johannesburg for a year.
The red pill will be forcibly inserted.

>grow up and be successful and happy with my abilities

And how do you think you got the chance to grow up and gain those abilities?

>we both play wow
A game
>we both like pandas
Who doesn't?
>we both discuss about philosophy
Only if approved by the state
>We are both gay
No that is only a greek thing

Actually ISIS want's to remove borders and replace all countries with Islamic law. That means OP and ISIS are both anti-nationalist. So in actual fact their interests do align. But I think that speaks volumes as to what sort of person OP really is.

I think OP has an interest in staying alive. How do you stay alive in the face of something like Islamic State? By the enforcement of borders.

Being Greek, I can't imagine he would care for living much longer.

I am a product of millions of years of unbroken evolution. Not just biological, but social too. My ancestors worked hard for what I & my country have. There was no welfare or section 8 or foodstamps when my ancestors came here.
And what am I, if but the most important thing my ancestors could leave behind in this life? In a way, I AM my ancestors — I'm the product of every single thing they did in their life from the moment they were born until they died.
I can be a nationalist — proud of my country, because I'm proud of my ancestors for their accomplishments.

AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT TO TAKE MY ANCESTOR'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS AWAY FROM ME.
I WILL NEVER ALLOW YOU TO POINT AT MY CHILD AND TELL HIM THAT HE CANNOT BE PROUD OF WHAT I HAVE ACHIEVED IN MY LIFE, BECAUSE I DID IT FOR HIM. I WILL NEVER ALLOW YOU TO TELL HIM THAT HE DOESN'T DESERVE WHAT I WORKED FOR WHEN I DID IT FOR HIM.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.

obviously, that is why there would be global laws stopping people from being hateful dangerous extremists

Too bad i got $$$ and intend to move to US ;^)

No i am not, i make good financial choices and didnt depend on my country for support.

So clearly, if you depend on your country, you are the one who fucked up.

Cant wait for all those neets to suddenly start suiciding once neetbux are removed

Games are important to me
We like cute pandas and the pandaren race cuz furries :3
philosophy is philosophy, nobody stops you from talking about it
Gay people and husbandos are everywhere

>i am a cuck and will follow
ye sorry, my future is MINE

These are all surface level things you retard. Wow, you like pandas, tell me how you create a relationship out of this?

The chink in question may be 'nice' but you won't on average establish the same kind of bond you would with a fellow countryman, the biological factors, reference points and countless other elements go into this.

Few chinks are ever openly gay (their culture does not work like that) and few of them play WoW for anything other than insectoid monetary reasons. Even obsessive otaku in Japan don't like talking about their interests in the same way Westerners do on a variety of subjects

Because of the social contract where I pay taxes to the state, and they use my money and my vote to take care of the land I live in in ways that I have neither the clout nor time to do, and knowing all my peers equally chip in to make the nation a work of greatness where we can all foster our dreams and hopes and we could fall back on if ever we run into extremely bad luck.

A sort of owner's pride. Have you no pride in your house despite not being the man who built it?

Of course, Greeks don't pay taxes, so it's natural you don't understand.

greek
furry
faggot
globalist

Doesn't get much worse than this

This is your second thread on the topic, did you get tired of being BTFO of the last one?

Why would anyone want to absorb Africa when those fucking people can't build a society to save their lives?

>Games are important to me

Are you 12?

>Cuz furries

the germans are more your thing

>nobody stops you from talking

The state does

>Gay people are everywhere

BS

PAY

>obviously, that is why there would be global laws stopping people from being hateful dangerous extremists


AHAAHAHAAAHA, oh jesus fucking brilliant. So you replace the idea of nationalism with just another idea of nationalism. Fucking brilliant, well just so you know, countries started off as states and counties. They were the nationalism of their time. Nationalism allows for growth of people's shared identity when they are collectively ready. Even to achieve what it is you want, you'll need nationalism to get it.

Who's going to enforce those 'global laws' when everything in the West turns into Brazil/Venezuela/Pakistan 2.0? The UN as it is can barely enforce anything with shit tons of money and capital behind it.

And also, some chink is not going to be interested in philosophy anywhere near as commonly as a Westerner. I've had friends who privately tutored people over there and they were invariably far more interested in the prestige of saying they are learning something to their friends and family than the thing itself, which they only learned to a toddler's level at best. Seriously the level of common ignorance in China is shocking.

If you actually happen to have been born in objectively the best country in the world, nationalism makes sense.

>1)
Good
>2)
Nice thing Greece managed to defend its interest and provide decent free education, health services and an above average economy.
>3)
There is no logical reason to feel pride in being part of a group you have contributed in that has done well? Just saying, you don't live in a void; if you have done anything to contribute to your society (that includes payed work), then you should feel proud that you're turning society in the right direction.

>4)
Retarded argument, and you're wrong. Yes, there are many people who are strong nationalists and don't have "anything to be proud of ", but what does that really prove? That people with no achievements cling to anything they can?

>5)
My compatriot makes a good point here. Proud of you, fellow român.

>6)
So you share the same genetic background and language? I'm sure you also completely share their worldview as this is *totally* not because you have a distorted view of americans leading to an easy subversion of your prior considerations, now is it?

I'm also sure this has nothing to do with the fact that the USA and Greece are both deeply christian-background countries with european heritage, sharing similar moralities and philosophies because of this. No, not at all, I'm fairly sure if you switched USA out for China you'd find that you both share a common taste for eating dogs and ignoring injured people on the streets out of lack of empathy.

>7)
It's way less stupid and fake than your "success and abilities". Turns out, people sharing a common history, language, religion, philosophy, government and are close geographically tend to have a lot in common.

Also - "common interests"? Sure, there are common interests in eradicating certain diseases (which we are already working on without having to delete borders because borders are bad) and in making sure this planet stays inhabitable (in which case you might find China does not believe in the same "common interests" as you.

>global laws

>So why would anyone be a nationalist

>Recent agent-based computer simulations suggest that ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution. From a random start, ethnocentric strategies dominate other possible strategies (selfish, traitorous, and humanitarian) based on cooperation or non-cooperation with in-group and out-group agents. Here we show that ethnocentrism eventually overcomes its closest competitor, humanitarianism, by exploiting humanitarian cooperation across group boundaries as world population saturates.
jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

this
we don't even enforce them now lmao
my country isn't even an ICC member and there's nothing any other country can do about it

Its being proud of what your ancestors and people achieved, and live and work to further IMPROVE it.
I have a job, I contribute to my country.
I help out my friends and neighbours ( as long as they are my people ).

That is nationalism.
Due to immigration your countrymens population gets seperated, getting criminals with no history here to devide the neighbourly bonds, and since most of them dont work, it means you pay taxes for lazy fucks that dont want to improve the country but leach on it.

Immigrants that assimilate, contribute and choose their new home over their last are welcome.

I like how Sup Forums claims to be "red-pilled" and able to see the world for how it is. Yet, despite your sophomoric claims of enlightenment, the first time someone presents you with arguments that contradict your shitty worldview you just spam memes and tell them to gtfo.

How can you be so fucking sure you're right about everything when you can't even come up with an argument about what this person has to say, Sup Forums?

That is the point.You need to contribute, build up pride and prestige for your country so people see this and want associate with it and do the same thing.Its self-sustaining mechanism and it works perfectly.The problem is two-faced pseudo patriots who only brag about how cool they are and do nothing, they should be put to public shame.

he's the same greek furry from this thread.
I tried debating him, but it's just bait

>2016
>games are for children
go away granny

You are right there, germans have some cool chubby bara gay furries but i havent found anyone to play with yet since i play in US wow servers

The state rly doesnt talk about philosophy that much to stop me from discussing ideas with people on the internet

And gay people are everywhere, if there werent i wouldnt intend to GTFO from greece

>So why would anyone be a nationalist unless they are miserable and want to feel better or get fake unified friends?
Have you ever considered that higher morale ("feeling better") contributes to higher productivity, which is both better for the person in question and society?

Furthermore, have you considered that *not* being nationalist leads to a general apathy for things that affect the whole nation but not you directly? Why would you do anything that benefits society as a whole but has a minimal impact on you such that in any situation you are slightly worse off than if you didn't, even though in the grand scheme of things a population that does not take that action is individually worse off than a population that does take that action?

Nationalism is quite possibly the last level of group adhesion that actually works long term. Things break down rapidly after that.

>Let's replace nationalism with globalism, which is practically the same shit as you'll descend into monoculture

Besides that, what kind of retarded motherfucker legitimately thinks everyone is going to get along with each other? Have you missed the last millenia?

>inb4 it's that gay wow globalist who shitposts on /vg/
People, just point and laugh. He's a deluded fella who'll deny anything for the favour of his own viewpoint.

People born in shit holes are often confused about nationalism

>games are important to me
That's the issue here lad. I play a lot of games and I wouldn't call them "important to me" in any sense other than professionally, that is making them.

Also, let me point out a glaring flaw in your line of thought.

When we were the basest of animals, we only cared for ourselves, as many base animals still do. As we evolve and gain sophistication, our sense of community broadens, and we start to care for those around us.
We started to care for our families. We started to care for our extended families and tribes. We started to care for our towns, our cities, our city states.
The nation is just one more abstract in a long line of abstracts meant to unify us, and they still affect us to this day; town/city sports teams, universities, regional rivalries, national regional rivalries, etc.

>Self
>Family
>Tribe
>Town or other community
>Region
>Nation

And you want us to care for more. to care for a unified world, to care for every single person out there.

But, even as you ask me to care for a complete stranger, thousands of miles from my home, whom I've never met and will never meet, who shares nothing with me. Not a language, not a faith, not a culture, possibly not a single interest. Nothing beyond the most basic want to survive.
You also tell me to let go of my love for a nation. To stop caring about people who share my direct environment, people who share my language, my ideals, my culture, my hopes and dreams, and people who I will have dealing with for the rest of my life.

Do you not see the problem there? Do you not realize all unification is artificial? Do you not realize that kicking out one rung on the ladder is counterproductive to getting to the next rung?
That the world would be in a much better position if we stopped promoting false tolerance and encouraged the genuine care for your neighbour that comes natural?

I'm a nationalist in that I live in the country that has at one point in time granted the most amount of simultaneous economic and social freedom and I want to preserve that for myself and family and neighbors and preserve it as well for those that live elsewhere trying to get here that also want to preserve these basic fundamental things that make the USA what it WAS.

When crony capitalists and democrats, jews and socialists and other fuckwads openly advocate and enable the injection of more peoples whose values and cultures are not compatible with ours, and in most cases directly confront ours, I will continue to do what I can to have those people removed and disallowed to come back because if not we will become Sweden and Germany as we see it right now, we will eventually go the way of the Native American but with much less dignity being shown as we are stamped out of existence possibly in the next 200 years and the dark ages will come again and the European blood that built western civilization will be lost forever and all that will be left is a brown mass of barbarians and the fragments of our monuments will become wonders like the pyramids to these "men" of lesser blood.

We are humanitarian, muslims are still ethocentrists.
They'll just exploit us until they destroy us.

I love how every single comment I posted was ignored for the sake of someone like yourself to just state complete bullshit (as if this is the first time Sup Forums gets raided by shills) just so you can pretend that logical arguments was not presented by anyone. How about you or OP actually respond to the people that are countering you claims.

Guy has like 3 threads up.

He seems very triggered by Sup Forums

Same fag in

It's much better to take pride in your skin color (unless you're European) and sexual fetish. Now these are really defining features, not the region you grew up in, the culture that surrounds you and the language you speak. Nope, buttfucking should be the greatest source of your pride and self-identification.

Just going to warn you blokes, take a look at /wowg/ and other three threads he's shilling, don't bother replying.

Nationalism is fine as long as you don't hold it above yourself.

>likes similar games

this is why your country is dead

Hundreds of thousands of years of your ancestors thinking otherwise is exactly what got you here. Your culture, your beliefs, they paved the way for all of it. You are letting that struggle, whether biological, cultural, religious, or political, die out.

Why do you hate your ancestors?

I lol'd at this. Laws are only as good as the force and threat of violence that backs them.
Laws have been a tool of the elites to project their power since laws were first established and created.
I laugh at how naive he is.

>Nope, buttfucking
Entry-level fetish.
Not one to be proud of.

>No i am not, i make good financial choices and didnt depend on my country for support.
No you're not. You're probably 19 or something and you don't believe that your country can have ACTUAL poverty. The kind of poverty that makes crime go crazy, that makes shops close down, makes your streets fill up with the homeless and the drug addicts. That's what happens when your country is poor. That money that you have on your account won't save you from that. And that's if your bank doesn't collapse or the government doesn't just decide to take your money, that happens too. You don't seem to understand just how fucked an average person can get.

>muh ancestors

I did argue
And all he does is retort about his fucking hobbies and how he doesn't care what happens to any of his countrymen despite them creating the environment that he thrived in
He's a miserable cosmopolitan hypocrite and I hope he gets his head bashed in by some peaceful proselytizer that he invites into his land

Fucking burn.

Fpbp

you have fuck all to be proud of any more greece

and id rather love my nation and history than be ashamed of it and say sorry for things i never had no part in.

Try being successful in some African warzone.