Anyone else here who used to be more SJW, feminist, equal rights, BLM, etc? But got fed up by the amount of idiots and extremists those movements attracted? And thus starting to become more MRA, nationalist, white supremacist, Neo-Nazi, and others related?
Because I'm certainly getting there.
Yep, liberal all my life even voted for Obama twice.
In the last 3-5 years though. the left has put it's pants on it's head in my eyes and can go fuck itself.
to be fair, its not like the right is any better.
The black-and-white politics of today is just flat-out cancer.
if you change your principles to avoid associating with people who share them, you're a tool
I hate the edge that comes with saying that I hate everyone, but I mean... Today's society is pure autism. Pic somewhat related
I was originally a right winger, then the right started becoming full of fundamentalist Christfags. Then I became a lefty believing in the SJW feminist nonsense. Hell, I was even regularly watching Steve Shives on the JewTube. THen I was #BlockedBySteve for suggesting a liberal YouTube host I really liked (Kyle Kulinski/Secular Talk) and for following TJ Kirk a.k.a. The Amazing Atheist. So now I'm a center-left lib stuck between the SJWs on the far left and the crazy fundie Christfags on the right.
The left and the right would both be fine if they still existed. Seems like there's radical left and extremist right and nobody in the middle who's just trying to get shit done.
I'm fairly sure both sides are being manipulated to increase tensions, probably to increase the perceived need for a strong federal government and a bunch of meddling-in-your-business because it's necessary to keep you safe. But that's just me speculating.
That's basically what it means to have principles. Not being around morons who devalue it, especially if they have the same principles as you.
>going from one extreme to another rather than just being non-autistic
you avoid the left because you don't like the extremists and yet you say you're becoming more like nationalists, white supremacists and neo nazis you dumb hypocrite fuck
if this thread isn't bait then you're dumb as fuck
I'm perfectly fine with gay people, but loathe anyone who identifies as a tumblr gender.
>muh principles
you're an idiot for continuing to subscribe to ideologies that's detrimental to both you and those around you.
>anyone else fed up with obesity, so are starving themselves to death?
The right had come around a lot on gay issues and the racism the left loves to accuse the right of having, never really existed. Race relations were about as good as they were going to get before the left decided identity politics was their way forward.
At the end of the day though, both sides just want to keep us divided and squabbling so their donor base can run away with all the money.
Not really. In OP's example he suggests completely changing his principles purely to avoid ridicule from his supposed peers.
That's more than likely part of the problem. I think a lot of is that we keep having these shifts in beliefs. So when we had Obama prez there was a lot of democrats in there in his first term.
But by second term people were getting tired of the democrats, so now we're into the fuckin Republican terms for a bit. And by the time Trumps done with his first term, we'll probably end up back in Democrat territory.
Cause let's be real here, Trump is just a puppet for a bunch of other retards.
i've gone completely the other way tbh OP
That happens all the time with extremist politics. When one of them becomes so caustic and overbearing, the other extreme starts to look like the better alternative.
no, that's what it means to have no principles and basing your interpretation of reality of social preferences
You pretty much summed up what I said haha
>the racism the left loves to accuse the right of having, never really existed
that's what right wingers keep telling me before they say how sick they are of niggers and spics
No. I used to be more le alt right but people taking it too seriously and literally wanting to hurt and murder people for no reason pushed me more left. SJWs were annoying but they didn't talk about en masse murdering people, sorry.
I stopped at going green party... (yes jill stein is crazy soccer mom tier that hijacked the party through nepotism)
people off all races and sexes can go fucking kill themselves for all I care we need less of them.
I got out of High school being an an-com feminist, then got into economics and all my opinions changed. I have no remaining friends from high school, which is healthy in my case but sad as well.
No, that's still what it means to have principles. Avoiding people who are becoming a handicap to your personability.
>ridicule
Who said anything about ridicule? And if that's the case, being at risk of ridicule by your own side, then you have further reason to leave.
weak people with weak minds are prone to being indoctrinated easily. You were once so you were again, not a surprise.
yes, in a world where people swallow one of the two visions of reality fed to them instead of using critical thinking that's exactly what happens
Sure Antifa has never hurt anybody ever. Keep your head buried in the sand sheeple.
>SJWs were annoying but they didn't talk about en masse murdering people,
nah, they only imply it.
There's a non-genocidal middle, you know?
It's not going well anymore, no. I'm talking about 5-10+ years ago.
Yup. I was one of those retards. I thought of myself as socialist or anarchist because I thought it was edgy and cool and because it was the opposite of what my parents believe. Thankfully I've been gradually redpilled by right wing people on YT and eventually Sup Forums.
I don't regret being retarded for the one year or so when I was a socialist, because it taught me a lot.
Feels good to finally be on the righteous path.
No I'm a currently apathetic fencesitter faggot who is too individualistic and relative to just state he's part of some trending group, but from what I hear I either get labelled a centrist or a coward, so there's no pleasing either side so whatever
>Keep your head buried in the sand sheeple.
you're mixing metaphorical animals.
Your statement has too many syntax errors to be coherent.
People have gone to commit massacres because they were sticking to their principles.
>Getting tired of extremism on one side
>Okay, time to check out the extremists on the other side
>Doesn't realize being cucked by corporations
That's the world we've always lived in.
you sound like a furry, fuck off
>got into economics
oh boy, you didn't get fed counterfactual right wing propaganda that are solidly disproven by the financial stability of social democracies and increased living standard of their citizens, did you?
>I either get labelled a centrist or a coward
You'll always get labeled as something because people like simple ways to say "they are a and these are b. i now understand EVERYTHING"
It happenes on every side of politics.
the problem is every 20 year old with next to no life thinking that they have any idea about the world, and this is what happens. people don't have any real agenda, because they don't have a real place, so they go to the extremes
id just say get your life in order and become a respectable member of society before you start telling everyone your political opinion as if it matters one fucking bit what joey two shoes who works at mickey d's thinks about anything
get yourself in a position of power where you can actually change shit, or shut the fuck up about it all, im sick of all my dumbass friends who have barely done a year in college talking about politics as if they're fuckin nietzche reborn
and if you're one of the political shitposters on this board or Sup Forums, then this post is 100% aimed at you, get a fucking life instead of bitching about the world you spastics
The key is to stand by your own principles and align yourself by what they dictate opposed to outside sources. I personally share the believe of George Carlin, "It's important not to give a shit."
How do you not know what a metaphor is?
ANTIFA isn't "the left", user.
I've just recently turned this around in the last year or so. I wouldn't say it was as bad as being full-blown SJW to the extreme but if I gave myself enough time I would've gone down that path. I was introduced to the art of manliness and Gavin McInness by a couple of friends of mine, McInness was just for entertainment at first but I for one reason or another the things he was saying was somehow making sense to me, something was clicking in me. I don't think I had settled all the way on third-wave feminism and all that B.S. and hearing what McInness was saying kind of brought a different perspective that I hadn't considered before.
i'm talking about my entire lifetime because racism is part of the fabric of southern life
Which the far right and neo nazis are not on. I do not see anyone on the left implying it. Just retards like you stating anything but all white=genocide.
No, i studied economics for 2 years. In university.
I liked the subjects but not the eventual jobs i coould have so i switched to CS. I gotta say i like the social environment more too.
they have also gone to commit massacres because they changed their principles. maybe discuss the merit of the principles themselves and not of the people espousing them and you won't sound like such a dipshit
>The key is to stand by your own principles
People have gone on to commit some of the worst crimes imaginable because they were standing by their principles. At some point you have to drop them when they start crossing over lines inexcusable. Otherwise, you're no better than alt right extremists like white nationalists or neo-Nazis, who are also standing by their principles.
Well not since CNN found out what it really is and did a u-turn about their Antifa promoting peace through violence article...
there's two kinds of centrists people who are apathetic pussies and people who are centrists because their education and reasoning has lead them to that conclusion. You're not a good centrist unless it comes from a place of understand and reason.
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I never said that, you shouldn't assume if you're trying to have a conversation, user. They imply it when they call for forced wealth redistribution, btw.
I'm not far left or right wing. And i'm not white either...
You seem like an angry person, user.
Both sides are idiots. I can prove it with math and science. Did I happen to mention I have an IQ of over 500? How do I downvote on 4 Chan?
No, they've gone onto said massacres because it was within their principles. If they actually changed said principles, the massacre in question wouldn't have happened. When you continue to stick by something unquestionably, you end up doing the worst things imaginable.
I think both sides are absolutely fucking retarded
>implying cnn defines liberalism
yeah, and fox news is invariably in favor of small government
Holy fucking treacher collins syndrome
Would straight up terrorize this cunt if that's what you mean
Different user, being a centrist doesn't mean not taking a political stance, it means disregarding what side it came from and judge an idea by it's merits.
>trying to imply it dosen't
Were do you get your news source from? Salon?
Protip: if you're avoiding your own because they no longer align with your values, that's sticking by your principles, not changing them.
they changed their principles from not committing massacres to committing massacres. the nazis i mean. you know, the biggest fucking thing in world history that disproves your bullshit with one second of critical thought. the rest of society was suddenly ok with killing jews so i better go along with it. don't want to associate with those anti-massacre extremists
That looks like a goddamn tutti-frutti nazi. What a sick look it has in it's eyes.
But I didn't say anyone was dumb, I simply stated I'm undecided and dislike the lazy assumptions people make about each other, it's playground stuff. nice picture though, I know a few people like that but unlike you I'd ask why they felt that way not just stop at "oh another one"
>become more MRA, nationalist, white supremacist, Neo-Nazi
you're still an sjw faggot
I grew up white in Miami, basically a minority. And I lived in Ocala for a while. The only racism I ever witnessed was words used in jest or momentary anger.
No beatings, lynchings or killings ever. Everything about racism is super exaggerated and in doing so, it's making it worse as time goes on.
>policy and governance is made of of two equal and opposite sides!
grow up and define your policy positions you little bitch
are you the faggot who does those thread?
because why would you have that pic?
> is that um... a male?
since the day i was born i have always been "center" (or w/e this is, just to give a general idea) so i always had a lot of stored hate for the far left retards in the back of my head but the "real" bad guys used to be the conservatives, now since the end of 2015 im actually surprised that ive found myself having to defend the conservatives (and far right as well) more and more, i wouldnt demonize all of those people indiscriminately but i never had any reason to associate with them either, or just agree with anything they say in its entirety, i find this very bizarre
This, same shit diferent toilet.
>the MRAs do have some points tho
if they're letting the bad stuff slide from the right, then they sympathize with the right.
Head libertarian.
The vast majority of us aren't fucking "warriors" faggot
we think our shit through
no, it means you fall between the left and right in your policy positions. it has nothing whatsoever to do with your disposition or how you came to your opinions
McInnes is a total degenerate cunt. He's entry level redpill, and he's very annoying besides that.
Holy fuck you're stupid
No, they committed the massacres because, again, it was within their principles. The Nazis, for examples, their principles were that certain groups of people are the cause of society's ills, and thus killing them was a way to fix the world. No principles changed, otherwise they wouldn't have done the killing.
weak people with weak anuses are prone to being penetrated easily. You were once so you were again, not a surprise.
user's right
you centrists are cowards
I left that behind a while back. Like I said, more for entertainment value but I did agree with him on a few things but overall, I think he's pretty extreme.
I don't have the pic
I don't start threads
His rank is too high for his age. This is an SS Brigadefuhrer which means he would have been a Brigadier General in the US Army. He should have been at least in his 40s.
This punk is barely in his 20s. faggotry pic.
I'm a leaf, so I voted for the "NDP" last election.
Now I feel the conservatives are too weak. We need a strong nationalist leader like Trump. But it isn't happening.
dismissal is much easier than rebuttal
Yea, because alt-right and alt-left groups arent fucking destroying this world with their ridiculously petty problems and ideologies. Fucking grow a brain.
Well yeah deep down they both have alot of nut jobs. Though since the election the nutters on the left have been going apeshit,
That's why even though i did not vote for the orange dumbass i still like to trigger dumbfucks by saying i did and telling them we have 7 mores years of him!
i find it sad that so many people base their entire political opinion on extremists who triggers them.
There is no alt-left you fucking faggot
>implying germany started out nazi
i'm not asking much user. 6th grade knowledge of history will suffice
>Trump
>leader
kek
What if i agree with gay rights but not abortion? Or agree with a free market and social programs at the same time? Are those not right and left wing positions held at the same time? Because that's how most centrist hold their political beliefs. Does that not mean that i don't care where the idea came from but its merits?
Nobody is going to tell you we should allow 50% of abortions or gay marriages, you know? There are no centrist policies like that.
You're afraid to get your hands dirty.
What is your #1 reason you keep coming back to this board?
Do you live under a rock or something
As a leftie, there absolutely is an alt-left. They are the hategroups which are an alternative to the normal left wing.
So you moved from version one of retardation to version two? Congrats, you're just a retard.
Sure there is. Just like the alt right tag as created by leftist faggots.