I'm a national socialist

I'm a national socialist

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That doesnt mean anything

What’s north of the North Pole?

Were your parents supportive when you came out?

Not without a national socialist party you're not.

What is the meaning of life? Is there a god or are we a cosmic accident?

Not at first.. My mother used to cry everytime we discussed politics and would often threaten to make me go see a rabbi (I was around 15-16 at the time I came out and was somewhat of an edgelord when it came to talking about my ideology).
I told her that I'd love to meet a rabbi and explain to him why I hold the views that I hold. This would just make her cry even more..
My dad just got irritated and would start yelling about "never forgetting the 6 million" even though I don't even support the idea of genocide.

My grandmother on my father's side though, she loved it when I told her. She grew up in Europe during WW2, and she's often told me about watching the German soldiers training and marching, while she was with her friends. She's also told me numerous times about how she wishes the Germans had won the war. We're a lot closer now because of the fact.

By the way, my parents are a lot more supportive now, and we actually see eye to eye on a lot of issues. I've redpilled them to some degree

You and your entire family are garbage.

Hey OP, I smell a high IQ on this one. Supreme g loads!

Is there anything North of the North Pole? I don't know fam

National socialism isn't just a party, but also an ideology

I used to be very Christian, but my views have now shifted towards being Christian-Agnostic. Since our universe has a system in every aspect from the planetary to the atomic level, I don't think everything is a coincidence. This is the only proof I have that there is in fact a creator.

Care to explain why? Also, why not ask me something that can educate you, instead of going straight for personal attacks?

Its funny how Germany is actually now national socialist nation yet not the fail squad from that era. Benefits all and exterminated none and it's one of the richest nations in the world. They got it right, all they had to do was subtract mass genocide from their agenda and just look at the success.

Hahah I know, right? There's a reason why there's been an increase in redpilled people lately. Most of us are actually pretty well educated on the subject and can be articulate, while the people whom oppose us just like to spew hatred.

This. But we have to remember that the allied forces didn't have any moral high grounds either..
Russia killed 20 million people by starving and working people to death, England starved 2.2 million people in India to death, and the US imprisoned innocent japanese civs and put them into concentration camps, just because of their race. They also bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nuclear bombs, where some people in the area still have genetical problems. Nobody had the moral high ground during the war, which is why I feel like I've picked the lesser of all the evils.

So... You don't support genocide but bonded with your grandmother over wishing the Nazis had won wwii? You realize that they would have continued with the extermination of other races also know as...?

All nations commited genocide at that point in time, so I don't really see how rooting for the allies was any better.
Also, Hitler first started off wanting to deport the jews (Look up the Haavara agreement), but had to start cutting funds in 1939 because of the beginning of world war 2

The people who generally oppoae you are any random members of the public. If you hold an unpopular idea, you are bound to find lots of idiots who disagree just because the alternative is popular. It keans little being smarter than the weakest of the populace, the ones who tend to spew hatred regardless of the opinion they are opining on. There are plebty of coherent arguments out there, but biases in where you do you debating and who you associate with probably thumb the scale in your favor a bit to your mind.

All nations were systematically wiping people out to the extent of Germany at this time? Provide proof of this nonsense claim against the United States of America.

>>genetical

Also yes I know he wanted to deport the Jews. The plan changed. You are being disingenious to pretend it wasn't an atrocity because others killed people too. Its an obvious false equivalence fallacy

To continue, I noticed this trend while doing athiesty things incollege. If you hold an opinion different than the majority, especially an opinion the majority gets emotional about, it is easy to push someone's buttons and make them sound like a babbling moron. That doesnt mean you are more right than them, just that they (predictably) lost control of their emotions, being less practiced at debate and less inmediately studied on the material

Could you explain why the views I hold are wrong though? I have desperatley tried to find problems with the ideology I follow just to say that I'm not a "nazi", and I have discussed these issues with tons of people from libertarians, to communists, to Stalinist/Leninist-socialists, and it has always ended up with them becoming irrational and emotional, without actually disproving any of my points.

Hung over and English isn't my first language ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"The internment of Japanese Americans in the United States during World War II was the forced relocation and incarceration in camps in the western interior of the country of between 110,000 and 120,000[5] people of Japanese ancestry, most of whom lived on the Pacific coast. 62 percent of the internees were United States citizens."
(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans)

Also, 200,000 dead in Hiroshima and nagasaki bombings.
(atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml)
Let's also not forget about the bombing runs that the allied forces did in Germany which also killed tens of thousands of innocents during the war.

How is it a false equivalence fallacy? Explain to me how Russia and England are allowed to come off as scott-free while being responsable for the deaths of millions of people?

America did not kill the Japanese in these camps. Casualty estimates for continued firebombing in Japan would have done much more civilian damage. At the time, total war was our only option. The Japanese themselves font contest that they were not about to surrender. The persistent pressure of allied bombing campaigns ans the threat of invasion from ussr and the usa was enough to force a surrender. There is a difference between announced bombing raids (Japan told their people to ignore our planes. We dropped phamplets telling them where and when we were bombing.) and gassing children. False equivalence.

Dod I say Scott free or did I say germany winning would have led to continued genocide? Yes, killing in war is bad. Rounding up and killing millions of families because of their race or disability is worse. It wasnt just the Jews either

why don't you fucking kill yourself you little bitch

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I have no problem with national socialism as an idea (basically most of Roman history could be called this in some arguments), but Nazis would not likely have made this world I enjoy. Hitler's plan involved a ww3 with america after the 2 grew to encompass the entire world. That sounds like it would wreck lots of folks for no reason

hows being an edgy teenager going?

>America did not kill the Japanese in these camps
You might be right, but isn't it funny that they didn't allow the red cross to come in and examine their camps (unlike Germany)?

It's also funny that japanese soldiers decided to throw themselves off of cliffs rather than be captured by American troops and put into camps. Rlymakesyouthink

>Cutting supply routes to a country to make them starve a slow painful death is better than rounding up people and giving them a quick(er) death because it's systemized.
What the British and Russians did might have been more passive, but I can guarantee you that those people suffered a lot more.


Also, the US still continues to kill thousands of people in the middle east daily, to help Israel with their expancive conquest. How is this not unethical?

Another example

Kamerad

Got any sources? I've never heard of that before. Thanks for the info :)

Why don't you ask me what my views are instead of calling me edgy? Doesn't seem like you know much about National socialism. Where are it's flaws?

>Why don't you ask me what my views are instead of calling me edgy?
Because you said "AMA"
that translates to "ask me ANYTHING"
I didnt realize that is was an ask me about nationalism thread
>Doesn't seem like you know much about National socialism. Where are it's flaws?
>2017
>globalized world
>muh nationalism

your tribalism bullshit is fading

Why do you subscribe to a political leaning which fully depends on burning through national reserves (by artificially bloating the economic sector through massive privatization and government spending) and therefore necessitates offensive war/foreign reparations?

Especially considering that gaining clay creates more costs than benefits in today's society.

From an objective standpoint and even ignoring the ideological retardations generally associated with the political concept, even at the time it was a wonky af idea.

The moment you are retarded enough to belive racism had something to do with the 3rd reich.
Retard

You claim that to cut off supply routes to an enemy is the same as rounding up OUR OWN citizens and killing them because of their race? You don't see how that's a false equivalence? Japan had propaganda campaigns against the usa, of course they didnt want to be captured. You are grasping at conspiracy straws

It's funny, because it seems like the farther away we wander from our basic instincts like tribalism, the more people long for it. It's recently been discovered that generation Z will most likely be as traditionalistic and nationalistic as the generation that grew up before the war. Conservatism and nationalism is becoming the new counter culture in our society, which may be the reason why us Gen-Zers support the concept so much.

I'd also like to remind you that the thoughts on nationalism etc that we have today are very simular to how we felt about it after World War 1. We can also see how the majority of western countries are pushing for the same ideas that the Weimar republic had, such as normalizing homosexuality/transsexuality, sexual liberation, and drug abuse. We can also see how this culture is affecting our birth rates (much like the declining birth rates of the Weimar).

History loves to repeat itself, and I think we're on the brink of entering another tribalist and traditionalist period. Only time will tell though

I don't have sources now, but it was from my political philosophy course at uni that I drew this parallel. The Nazi political structure was marked by a very strong central government giving direction on nearly every aspect of life. The ideology was one of "germany is great, wouldnt it be great if the entire world could be like us. There would be no war and everyone would get to live in the hest country ever"

Romans had the same expansionist ideology through most of the imperial period and were also marked by a strong centrall government which controlled most aspects of daily life

not on /his/ you guys get BTFO THERE EVERYDAY

Forced meme

The German economy was first failing due to the reparations that Germany "owed" the allies after the treaty of versailles. As soon as Hitler said he refused to pay this, while at the same time switching to a different currency, he could focus all of the national funding into building infrastructure. By providing basic needs like housing, transportation, radios and jobs to the German people, he was able to industrialize and build Germany to become the most powerful country during the "hard 30's". This in turn resulted in higher birth rates, which would provide Germany with a greater work force in the future.
>tl;dr
Germany would have been just as well, if not better off, if they didn't annex surrounding countries.

They would have been much better off if they stopped early on after some annexation, before UK entered. Thats what most world leaders in history did. Grab some land, call it quits for a bit

I think you're mixing National socialism with the aspects of Marxist-Trotskyism.
Germany didn't wish to expand beyond Lebensraum, whilst Trotsky's and Marx's ideas were to expand and create worker revolutions all over the world.

I'll have to check that out

I agree. They should have stopped with Austria (which actually welcomed German annexation).
The surrounding countries would most likely join Germany out of their own free will eventually, after seeing the economic success of Nazi Germany's policies.

I am most certainly not. Taking the German speaking lands was crucial to the ideology, but its still hugely expansionist to want to annex that entire area. Especially since not all of these people wanted to be Germans, but sonce the Germans felt they WOULD want to once their eyes saw their heritage at its full potential

>It's funny, because it seems like the farther away we wander from our basic instincts like tribalism, the more people long for it
yes the retards who think nationality means something

>Conservatism and nationalism is becoming the new counter culture in our society
Well these are the same people who think abortion is murder, evolution isnt real and vaccines dont work. Aka retards

What do you think about Slavs such as Poles or Russians ?

Btw you never responded above
Do you honestly believe that fighting an enemy and disrupting their logistics (even if that causes starvation) or bombing an enemy is morally equvalent to exterminating groups of your own and your conquered people due only to ethnicity or can you simply concede your original argiment was a false equivalence? You can support the ideology without supporting the current historical implementations and you will be taken much more seriously. At least by me. Not that that matters.

Heil guys.

Global domination =/= wanting to build Lebensraum?
Not sure what you're getting at here mate

Got any statistics on that? My closest friends now share the same views as me, and they don't believe any of that bullshit.

Remember
Not all gen-xers are infowars fans.

I've been to Poland, and all I can say is that there are very beautiful people there. Definately 100% European.
I'm not really sure where people got Hitler's views on polacks from, since they were a crucial part of the Lebensborn program. If they were seen as inferior, why did NS Germany want polish people to mix with German?
As for Russians, the people who live on the west part are European, while people on the East are semi slavic/semi mongol. Russia doesn't just have one demographic since it's so big lol, and there are tons of different peoples and cultures there. So define "russian"

What did I not respond to? Also, killing millions of people is killing millions of people, no?
How were Ukranian and Indian civilians enemies of Russia and England?

Nice bro, I've started collecting a bit my self now. Started this summer when I came across an antique shop in Warsaw
>pic related

I also have a repurposed stahlhelm and an original Kar98k from 1940 with all it's original serial markings:

Weak ass pussies need their white boi safe space.

>Got any statistics on that? My closest friends now share the same views as me, and they don't believe any of that bullshit.
Conservatives and nationalist tend to be republicans or align themselves with that party. The republication party is know to be antiabortion and antiscience. Just look at the current administration and the policies they are trying to shape

Common misconception

We believe that every race/culture has a right to it's own homeland, where they can breed out the best of their own people, and where they can expand on their own culture. This means ethnostates for everyone, like Europans, Jews, Africans, middle easterners, and south east asians.
I am against colonialism, and I'm against what the confederacy stood for.

>implying the rest of the world follows the black and white tendencies of American politics

Translation:
>I'm a failure in life and and so my quickly deflating ego is easily influenced by propaganda from the middle of the last fucking century.

What a faggot

Why do people think chinese history is impressive? The chinese have invented nothing. They stole almost every invention from the indo-europeans. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS

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>same people who think abortion is murder

Usually, those who don't think abortion is murder are the ones who can rationalize the murder of anyone. They place no intrinsic value on humans.

>implying the rest of the world follows the black and white tendencies of American politics
Im sorry assumed you were american, nationalism is growing in the USA and it is sicking and retard (because they all fit the antiscience conservative redneck profile). Also you do not have to be american to be Republican

>antiscience
muh 97% muh blank slate muh race as a social construct
>antiabortion
anti slaying of a human life for your own personal convenience and written off int he most despicable possible ways
>basically a parasite :^)
>its the womans body lol she can kill it if she wants

>nationalism is growing in my country and it's sickening and retarded
Kill yourself before people like you vote our nation into poverty please

This is what you have refused to respond to: Do you believe it is equivalent to fight an enemy in total war when they are using total war on your allies vs to kill people in your lands due to ethnicity? This is the root of my argument, as reiterated several times above. I believe that the fighting a war is something none really want, but it can be justified. To claim civilian death as a result of war and civilian death at the hands of those governing their lands separate from the conflict are the same is, in my opinion, disingenuous. Any with eyes can confirm I have reiterated this same question above. Do you honestly feel this is equivalent?

>guise ill use my tip my fedora meme because he is right and i can discredit it

Read through the thread and explain to me how I'm wrong in any aspects what so ever, and I'll take your critisizm seriously.

I live in Europe, but I have family in the US, so I guess you're half right.
I must say though, it was the US elections that really got me to read up and educate myself on ideology and the current political state of the world. So Donald Trump is in part responsable for my redpilling.

killing millions of people is killing millions of people, no?
How were Ukranian and Indian civilians enemies of Russia and England?

Responded to here:

do you eat chicken eggs? congrats you just help abort chicken babies

Its outside the scope on the original argument.
See:
Youre the one making weak claims, I dont have to defend all these places you bring up since I've made zero claims based on these. So again. You chose this argument, concede or provide evidence of your claim.

>I'm a national socialist

Let me get this straight. You want someone to refute national socialism? If that is so, please state positions of national socialism that appeal to you.

That happened over the weekend when the Repubs passed their awesome tax cut bill. I cant wait for those altruistic, nongreedy and compassionate business owners to share their profits with me. Kek

So after the war are you gonna get shot in the streets like a dog or try to run away to a 3 world shit hole and hide?

>So Donald Trump is in part responsable for my redpilling.
yea the only progress he has made has been to get people pissed off enough to care about politics.

>tax cuts
>poverty
It's STARTLING how backwards you view this issue

Oh and as I said above. I don't want any nations to be "off Scott free". I simply feel you are being disingenuous as pertains the equivalence between the usa defending itself and its allies at this time, as per scope, and genocide.

>do you eat chicken eggs? congrats you just help abort chicken babies

Really? Is that your argument? I also eat steak and BBQ sandwiches.

Please make an argument for as to why human fetuses aren't human or as to why its ok to kill human fetuses.

Do you realize America had and still has some of the highest corporate tax rates int he world? The socialist hellholes people like you love to jerk off over all have less than half our corporate tax rates, which is why rich companies go there and buff their economy instead of fleeing america and holding all their money in offshore accounts

lol a jew wanting to be a nazi.

Yeah, I don't think the change to a 20% corporate tax rate is what most Americans are worried about though. The state income tax credit loss os the biggest complaint I've been hearing

b-b-but the mother's right not to be uncomfortable for a while, you can't infringe on that.

therefore infringe on another individual's right to live at all

He literally said>awesome tax cut bill. I cant wait for those altruistic, nongreedy and compassionate business owners to share their profits with me. Kek

Also eggs in the store are not fertilized generally

Shit my bad

thinks business owners wont take their tax cut and will share it with other. Thinks considering tuition stipends for grad students as income is good and should be taxed instead of the wealthy businesses. Cool tax plan man

So are you a racist nazi or an actual socialist with nationalistic ideals?

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're getting at here. By the way, isn't me

>unironically tanki LARPing

Works for me fam

>Defending itself
>Bombing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians all over the world after losing roughly 3000 people in the attack on Pearl Harbor

Stop holding countries to different moral standards just because you come from that country.

Lol and the worst part is that chicken eggs that we eat aren't even fertile.. So they wouldn't become baby chicks anyways

I'm an agnostic Christian. The reason she wanted me to talk to a rabbi is because of my "anti-semetic" views.

ITT: OP THINKS THE NAZIS SHOULDA WON BECAUSE HE THINKS ALL COUNTRIES COMMITTED GENOCIDE BACK IN 1940S

>guise lets tax grad students more, they have money to make up our deficit.

Yeah. Its my post to which you replied. Hence starting this discussion.

So you think nations shouldnt go to war if attacked? How does that gel with national socialism?

Also, again, my entire point is that the standards literally are different. One bombed nations they were at war with who had shown they used total war tactics. The other one rounded up and killed millions of the people under their governance. I don't think these are the same, morally, and I challenged you to prove they were. You never did so, and this I take my leave.

Define "racist"
I believe in the differences between ethnic groups, and I also believe that these ethnic groups should be kept together and refrain from mixing. But do I support murdering people because of their heritage? No.

Different races have different attributes, and they should all have the right to excel and grow at their own pace, with their own people.

Not at all. Where did you get this argument from?

Fighting soldiers =/= killing innocent people. Jesus what a flimsy arguement.
All I'm saying is that one party of the war likes to act like they were morally superior to the other party. I'm pointing out the fact that all sides were bad.
I'm simply choosing the lesser of the evils.

Pretend this is one post

Q: Why do you think anyone cares about your viewpoint

They declared war on the usa and they got whooped. Thats not the same as germany committing genocide.

Cutting supply lines and starving people out is better than killing people actively how?

If you had the choise of taking a bullet, or being starved to death over the course of weeks while seeing your family slowly slip into madness and disease because of the lack of food, which would you choose?

>mother's right not to be uncomfortable for a while, you can't infringe on that

Wow. As far as know that is no such right. The right not to be uncomfortable. And even if there was that right wouldn't supersede the rights of another to life.

Here's an analogy that might help you. 5 People are on a small aircraft flying over the Atlantic. The setting is very tight. Halfway through the flight one passenger's leg goes to sleep making them uncomfortable. It would be murder to throw the passenger next to him/her out just because one is uncomfortable.

Because they declared war and their allies attacked our soil. Literally any nation at any tome has defended itself against attack. Sometimes that means taking their cities down brick by brick.

So do you wear a fedora or a trilby?

How's the 8th grade going?

>>do you eat chicken eggs? congrats you just help abort chicken babies
>Really? Is that your argument? I also eat steak and BBQ sandwiches.
>Please make an argument for as to why human fetuses aren't human or as to why its ok to kill human fetuses
when the birth or baby is risking the health of the mother, rape cases where the victum becomes pregnant, being responsible and knowing you can not support a human for 18+ years

>inb4 birth control, yes BC helps but it doesnt help when repubs are trying to take that away too.

What you are describing is war. What i am asking is: do you consider war and genocide at the hands of your own government morally equivalent?

Clearly a lot of people do, considering the amount of replies that I have recieved.
Also, it is seen as a quite controversial viewpoint today, which might wake interest.

Which one of the 200,000 japanese civilians or the 20,000 german civilians declared war on Germany? Sorry, I can't seem to remember.

Hahaha when did Ukraine or India declare war on anyone?

None

I wouldn't know

See the response to
here:
Also, in the response to , I meant "declared war on the US", not "on Germany"

So which views of the national socialist do you find appealing?

People here would reply to AMA about "I just ate snickers" and they would start arguing about why snickers is shit, eventually thread would transform itself into 'hitler was right' mixed with trap thread

it's not controversial, it's simply silly

I did just eat an Almond Joy.

You refuse to stick to the established scope. I asked about America in my first post. You replied and chose this argument. I have answered you several tomes about these other nations. I have offered historical precedent on the natire of what happens when war is declared (nations defend themselves). I have asked if you refute this, you offer the same "their people didn't declare war". Do you think wars happen in a bubble? Study history and you will see this is not the case. The fact is you made a claim that the usa at the time and Nazi Germany at the tome were morally equivalent. Its clear you won't concede despite the obvious: you have no proof to offer and refuse to even answer if you yourself believe it to be equivalent. I hope you think on this.