Hello, all. I'm looking for my first synth, and although I have searched for some informations, I could not find a suitable one for the sounds I want to create.
I'm into Avant-Garde in general, and it is most likely that I'm going to be doing Avant-Garde Free Jazz with friends, or compose contemporary music - which will probably be the primary purpose of getting the synth. Here are some of the examples of sounds similar to what I want :
The price range I'm thinking of is from 700 or cheaper to 1,500 euros, cheaper the better since I'm only beginning and yet a student, who does not have any idea on electronics and sound engineering, so I wish to make this as a chance to step into those things.
37 keys or less would be good, I believe more than that would cost too much?
Thank you very much, I'll be waiting for helpful guides.
Jaxson Clark
>I'm into Avant-Garde in general, and it is most likely that I'm going to be doing Avant-Garde Free Jazz Christ go fuck yourself
Sebastian Smith
Just use any synth
Kevin Green
Why?
Which synth though? Sorry I don't know anything.
Oliver Walker
What exactly do you mean by 'any' synth? I can't choose for there are so many of them.
Kevin Cooper
You aren't a genius. Anything you make that you think is avant-garde has already been done.
Thomas Peterson
If you know literally nothing about synths, maybe research instead of trying to be spoonfed?
Cooper Morgan
get your hands on a moog
Henry Jenkins
Get a cello
Jeremiah Fisher
>spoonfed my favorite weasel word
Grayson Howard
Koma field kit might work out alright for you
also for the money you mentioned, look into building a modular system
Nolan Walker
Also I'd look into contact mics and running them through pedals, or if you can get a tape machine and mess around with tape in creative ways.
Short wave radios are also good.
Jason Wilson
How? OP is literally uneducated on the subject and looking for a handout
Daniel Reyes
Of course. I will be studying contemporary music. And I am indeed sure I know much more than your hipster ass self about it.
I did but did not get any satisfying result.
I played cello indeed but for now I prefer keyboard instrument.
Thank you very much! What do you mean by modular system? Wouldn't it be expensive?
David Williams
just use anything from ableton live
Samuel Robinson
Yeah modular is expensive, but it would be made to your customs and give you exactly what you need. You'd have to research though.
Honestly, the best way to get into this stuff is mess around with contact mics, effects, feedback and using just oscillators on their own (Stockhausen does this occasionally) just find ways in which using that stuff sounds good to you, and then keep building from there.
Basically, get some techniques going and just experiment, try anything to make interesting sounds.
Also maybe try and find new ways to play instruments, like put pins on the fretboard of a guitar or something.
Gavin Nguyen
>And I am indeed sure I know much more than your hipster ass self about it. >stockhausen, boulez, le list goes on What's next, you're going to namedrop Cage, Varese and Schoenberg to back your shit up?
Tyler Smith
My approach would rather be prescriptively theoretic than your dumb ass. Why do you think I gotta back my shit up? Avant-garde is avant-garde. Your bullshit oh-I'm-different-cynicism is what blocks one's creativity.
Zachary Watson
mate, those guys made their stuff by manipulating tape and sine tone generators. you dont want to go down that road. if youre rich then go modular, if not then learn about max msp. there is no standalone synth thats going to be making rich complex timbral structures of 20th century modernism.
Adrian Campbell
Sounds great. Where do you think I should start from, specifically?
Asher Wilson
Honestly cello with some pads sounds better and more unique than a synth. Especially when you overlay some sampling on top of it.
Isaac King
Yeah I thought so. I could start from something rather similar though.
Blake Nguyen
Read books about old school industrial. It should give you a pointer where to start.
Jayden Ramirez
Old school industrial? You mean as a genre? Do you have a specific one to recommend? Sorry if I'm asking too much.
Alexander Jenkins
Yep. Wreckers of Civilization Noise//Music Unofficial Release Industrial Culture Handbook
There's also a couple I haven't gotten to, like Japanoise: Music at... And Alvin Lucier's writings
Nicholas Nguyen
Aright. Thank you very much of all this. I'll try and look for them. :)
Kayden Flores
Most synths can do similar things, if you're a good enough player you should be able to make do.
Carter Wilson
They should all be pirateable, worst case you can order it from amazon digitally, de-drm and refund. Also read into some interviews and other stuff about industrial in general (the experimental side of it). You can make a song from anything when you manipulatebit enough. Noise//Music goes into some detail on how Aube made whole album from just one sample.
Lucas Roberts
I see. Well I guess I could start with something like Moog 37... who knows.
Thomas Wright
Sounds impressive. I'll definitely have a look. Thank you.
Matthew Foster
Check out Peach of Immortality, they played avant garde inspired industrial with a cello, guitar and a tape recorder
Christian Long
I'd say do your research on what type of synthesis attracts you most. Maybe try out a few software synths from the different branches (subtractive, additive, frequency modulation, west-coast, sampling, etc). There's a lot of stuff out there both new and vintage. And remember, the studio is also an instrument.
Matthew Edwards
I assume I was not prepared enough to decide in the first place. I'll do more research myself.
Kayden Johnson
try to see if you can go to store and play some, even if you have no intention of buying a particular model. Half of what makes a synth imo is how well it fits into your workflow and you won't know that till you play some. I make completely different music to you so I can't really help you if you're looking for particular sound but if there are certain features you're after I might be of assistance.
Aaron Cruz
Honestly i'd probs start with some raw oscillators. Try getting interesting patterns through there and then spend some time getting loops from other sources to work with it.
Or just start making some noise and see where it takes you, record everything you do. You can always use stuff as sources for later pieces.
Or for more modern (florian hecker) type stuff learn supercollider, can get some wicked sounds from it.
Also, obviously not everyone is gonna dig what you make. But as long as it's interesting to you, then it's fine. There's always someone out there who will enjoy something.
Dylan Myers
Probably you want to use Max/MSP for this kind of thing.
Why do you think this is a valid point?
Brody Parker
I would honestly advise OP to try manipulating field recordings and tapes first. It costs nothing and teaches you a lot about sound and what can you do with it. Synth can come later.