Got into an argument with someone

Got into an argument with someone,

As someone who isn't a lolicon (I prefer older women) why are you Sup Forumsedophiles into loli?

I did go through a big tumblrina phase and act like it was all about touching kids, but more recently I've been thinking (while different for everyone) it's more about like,

A kind of cartoony cuteness mixed w/ something adult and sexual, or liking petite/flat bodies but not necessarily wanting to be limited to tsundere boob insecurity (Louise, Taiga) , or just liking that mythical character type built up in animu fandom (innocent, probably wants to act adult, ingenue but devoted, kind) or even just some kinda age play domination thing?

Idk, what's it like for you guys who actually like this shit? Is is dom/sub or character type or cuteness and cuddles(but also with oniichans penis milk)

Genuinely wanna know, no hate intended. Also if ur into actual kids I guess that's something u could say here but it's not what I'm asking about.

cute and small. and since they're imaginary, i make them smart in my head too.

pedo reporting

loli honestly doesnt appeal to me except for some western stuff like fucher.

is the whole "its okay cuz theyre not real" bullshit some pathetic form of denial that this obsession is harmful? im genuinely curious

ok so imo, I don't think lolicon are gonna turn into kid touchers. Because it isn't real, and you could say the "small and cute" thing for a LOT of western cartoon women (based on art style) but like, yeah, it could be pretty harmful if it's enabling people who wanna touch kids to touch kids.

Don't molest anyone no matter the age as a general rule.

I'm into loli and I'm actually asexual, so... 0 correlation.

Idk, maybe the fact that I was sexually abused for almost a decade as a kid fucked me up bad. Not like I'd ever touch a kid in my life. I don't even like irl lolis, just animu.

>bullshit some pathetic form of denial that this obsession is harmful?

I mean..murder that happens in movies isn't real. Is it bullshit form of denial for the psychos in the world?

the thing is that fueling someone's urge like this will only make people want it more, and make it happen one day. maybe not for some but in stressful times not many wanna do the right thing and only make their dreams come true in whichever way possible

>the thing is that fueling someone's urge like this will only make people want it more,

When you're thirsty and you drink water do you seek out more water?

I'd rather be dead then live the rest of my life so emotionally and psychologically fucked that social functions begin to degrade over time to the point I can't take care of myself.

I get that, and yes it would be bad for ACTUAL pedophiles, but I don't believe that (all, maybe most, idk) lolicon HAVE any desire to touch real kids.

>thirsty and blueballed for lolis for so long you rape and murder a child

Well, sexual child abuse happens a lot more than you think. Like, seriously A WHOLE FUCKING LOT more. It's just that people never tell. I was like that for like 10 years and had always planned to take the secret to the grave. It's most often due to shame of being a cooparticipant, but yeah, most people never tell, and even when they do, it's often as children and rarely do adults believe them.

So, yeah, if it happens that much, I think loli porn (animu porn, the not real kind) is actually more beneficial than harmful in that it can serve as a sort of outlet.
Not that that'll stop people who're bent on molesting children, but at least it can calm the milder ones.

I've heard that a few times, I'm sorry that happened to you. It's fucked up, but it's good that you've got control etc.

Then how are you going to kill yourself?

I'm into girls ages of 14-18. There's no appeal in lolis really, assuming we're talking about the

The release comes from cumming not lolis. People who have a fetish can still rub one out when the biological mechanism for reproduction demands it.

People who "live out their fantasies" abandon the social contract. That's a completely different conversation.

I do hope it could help even one kid tbh, or at least, in the way that some people lose interest in real people for fictional, maybe it could have the same effect on a potential kid-toucher?

But at the same time, don't necessarily believe that lolicon are kid touchers/into kids, for some it seems more like lewding a teddy bear than looking at a snot nosed child and thinking umph

Ephebophilia > pedophilia.

>finest piece of meat

Cool phrasing, this is terrifying.

More than control, it's like I don't feel any kind of attraction for real kids. I can see them as cute and dote on them, but that's it, pretty normal stuff. But yeah, even if I was attracted to children, I'd never lay a hand on them. I know first-hand how terrible it can be for the child, so I wouldn't put anyone through such an experience.
Thanks, instead of being sorry, be careful. If you have any children or just know of people with children, warn them, tell them to not trust blindly in even the closest ones when it comes to that. In fact, the closest people are the ones in the best positions to do that. I'd know that.

I know it, my mother had some bad experiences as a teenager, always guarded me super carefully from IRL shitbags (tho will admit i met some an ocean away online) , and the only kid I'm really close to is watched like a hawk. I have a pretty small family (excluding like third cousins and people in idk nevada ive never met) and wont hesitate to report if I see signs (hoping I even WOULD see signs.)

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Just try not to molest anyone ephe/b/ophile

he intentionally phrased it that way for the shock factor and you took the bait hook line and sinker. Don't be terrified of 30-year-old peophiles bud, they're harmless

Not clear to many, maybe OP too. I'm called a pedo on the daily.

Sorry if that triggered you but technically that's what we all are. Some are finer than others.

I agree. Personally, I like loli animu porn (cause maybe my 9-year-long abuse fucked me up) but real kids don't turn me on in the least. I think it's mostly beacuse lolis tend to be portrayed in mature manners, like, no kid would ever behave like a loli in manga unless it was made specifically like that, which is not THAT common, but yeah.

What are you lolifags thoughts on people trying to make pedophilia a sexuality/religion?

First things first.
I am not predatory, I will never be predatory.
That out the way I am attracted to 12ish+ girls, but also fully matured women.
I was attracted to girls my age when puberty hit and still am, but the attraction cutoff never happened.
I think I'm sick.
It makes me feel uneasy when the flash of arousal crosses my brain in reality. I use loli to relieve my sexual frustration.
I don't think I can justify how I feel in any other way than the thought of taking advantage of a young girl disgusts me.
Pre-teens still are largely ignorant and easily brainwashed.

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Ur cool bro there's a difference. And not to be That Guy but especially the way adults copy teen fashion these days and kids do their make up like fucking pros, I can't exactly blame you for looking at a 15 y/o if she looks 20 (tho personally would gtfo when I learned the truth, again tho, I prefer older.)

(also just don't molest anyone)

>not clear to many
for example see curious that your mind went to molestation. tell us more

see this is such a fucking bullshit argument, every time. i generally dont wish people ill, but i wonder what you'd choose given such a choice. think about it.

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i like small robots, and small gundams.

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I believe you, I don't think that lolicon will go on to be kid touchers, as long as it helps you it's not the same thing as someone who may seek to actually take advantage of a (real) little girl/get off to that idea, etc.

That said, if it really does make you feel bad, I might recommend seeking help, but I know that talking about this kind of thing must be next to fucking impossible. I wish that it was easier to, for people who do want help (or just to find out why they're this way)

What I would do if I were a degenerate?

Shitpost anonymously.

Good talk though, glad we bonded.

It's just a good rule to follow. Long as you don't do that most social interactions are acceptable.

I'm glad your mother learned from the experience and took care of you and it's great that the kid you know is being watched, although sometimes, even that's not enough :/

It's frightening because it happens to both boys and girls. There's usually no distinction with those bastards (though they usually incline more towards boys, from what I've seen and, well, experienced, lol).
Just keep in mind all this. Never forget it and try to help anyone you can. It's the most silent of crimes, most of the time.

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If you pedos ever get tired of living just breath a tank of helium, you'll die painlessly and pathetically.

Unless you mean something completely different, there's no molestation mate. Plenty of teens who mature faster than others are fully into it, maybe even more so than me.

And to be honest with you, it's way more problematic to know that they can abuse the system and put you up on false rape charges than the fact they're biologically ready for mating by the age of 14.

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I feel like there's way too much of a stigma around this kind of thing. Of course the thought of a (real) kid being touched/etc is going to make people squirm and feel upset, but there's a difference between
>I wanna touch kids
and
>I was touched as a kid, and I somethings think of kids sexually

People need to feel comfortable enough to seek help/just to talk about their experiences in a constructive way. Making people keep hush hush is good for no one.

Fucked up, what else could it be?

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Nice trips.
You are right when you say the idea of telling a professional is scary.
All I can envision is being told it is unhealthy and that I need to somehow stop it.
It is totally an unconscious thing, how does one stop the unconscious?
I worry that I will be branded.
I am afraid to seek help.
Jesus, my eyes are watering.

>they're biologically ready for mating by the age of 14.

Sure, that's why we go off the ability to give consent. Which comes later in life because our brains take time to develop. Your argument doesn't fly in court because that's not the unit of measurement we as a society use to determine readiness to bang. It's a filthy cope out. Either follow the law or don't, but don't do this wishy washy bullshit.

done dumping.

Just to add to this, psychologists don't usually leak nor act upon any kind of information unless there's a crime or potential crime involved (and even then, I'm not that sure), and even less if it's about someone seeking help. A decent enough psychologist would NEVER abandon someone seeking help, so, even though it doesn't make it any easier, it's an option.

Okay the latter one I can agree with.

Say for example,

>see someone in a bar
>she gets carded
>is served drinks
>okay cool she's 21+
>nope lmao she's 15
>when you find out anyway she's still into it
>maybe you both consent to fuck again after
>her parents find out, call you a rapist
>now you're in jail with people who shoot smack up their assholes for a good chunk of your life

Its cute but not something I would actually masturbate to

Even though it looks unrealistic its child-like

>nope lmao she's 15

This is where you stop

Because of her age she legally can't

>maybe you both consent to fuck


it's not rocket surgery.

Little girls are cute and sexy.

gay

I've been in and out of therapy before (unrelated, cutter) and while I know it's not the same - Pedophilia is one of THE most hush-hush topics you can bring up - I know it's really, really terrifying to bring that kind of thing up.

There's something inside you that you can't understand and probably can't express in words, and Jesus, is it hard to hear someone try to put it into words for you on your own dollar.

But you're not hurting anyone, and you wouldn't hurt anyone. There are real, actual kid touchers out there who talk about touching kids. It's fucked up that you should be afraid of confessing that you like a Cartoon Image and you're afraid of actually hurting someone.

You're not a monster, you're not a predator.

>Of course the thought of a (real) kid being touched/etc is going to make people squirm and feel upset

On a side note, the reason this happens is because people are (thankfully) still capable of empathy and they can put themselves in the shoes of the parent whose kid got touched. If I wouldn't want my kid fiddled by randoms in my unfortunate absence, I would feel the same way if it was done to another kid... or if - I - did it. So I refrain from it.

Yes I know my argument doesn't fly in court. But this isn't court and I'm not guilty of anything anyway, so I am explaining why I believe my mentality is sound and why, despite being into 14 year olds, I don't feel anything towards lolis; yet still get the social stigma for it.

Ultimately we all draw the line somewhere.

I think that's precisely it. Maybe something in the subconscious mind simply associates the experience with arousal, especially if it was a sexually gratifying experience (which doesn't make it better and only adds to the abused's guilt, btw). Maybe that's what happened in my case, though with 2D girls. Not that I only like lolis or even particularly lolis. I just kinda like them. I'm more of a boobs guy and masochist girls.

Thank you for your kind words.
Really, I mean that.
This helps me.

The real problem stems from the inability to separate fantasy from reality. Wanting to diddle a kid in Imaginary Make-Believe Land is perfectly fine, in my opinion. You shouldn't apply real life laws and reasoning to a fantasy. It's not based in our reality.

I think that everyone thinks and imagines things, but what's really important is making sure that you don't act on them. Unless you think that thought-crimes should be a thing and that's a different story.

the point isn't whether or not she can legally fuck, the point is that it's fucked up that she can "consent" and then she wont be punished for something that can manipulate a guy into becoming a sex offender. But it's also fucked up for her (as in not a good thing)

Or a girl idk maybe she's a lesbian it's 2017.

And of course there are also people who just want to fuck kids in real life but either care too much about the well being of the child or don't want to do prison time, and this is an outlet for that. Either way, I think it's perfectly fine.

Exactly

>this is where you stop
Yes, this is where the law requires you to stop. Except we're not really talking law here, the law isn't rocket science as you correctly say. We all know the law.

The point is, why would someone be into a 14 year old? Why would someone be into a loli? Does it make sense? Is it real or just a larp internet fantasy that never manifests irl? etc

>the point is that it's fucked up that she can "consent"

She can't. That's the point.

So if you're unsure, don't stick it in. Bang 80 year olds, never run into this issue ever again.

If you're going to "roll the dice" with this shit. You're forfeiting the right to go "the system is bullshit" No, numbnuts, you rolled snake eyes, hope it was worth it.

Escapism because cute and innocent during adolescent angsty years, at the same time as normal development of human sexuality. This led to mixing the two feelings up because I was too young to tell the difference. Mix that with society telling people that the nice tits and ass of a 15/16yo is "pedo", which led to more confusion. After years of seeing the nature of how people are in normieville, threads on here, even certain onions, and looking at the concept as a whole by peoples' stories and the news, I've been able to make this distinction. That is: cute shit is cute and adorable, and tits and ass are sexy. And that the west is entirely uncomfortable with sexuality to the point of being unhealthy not only for them, but especially for the kids they pretend to try to help (but actually just protecting their own feelings).

Also, sauce on that picture? I want it without the captioning.

Only case where I think loli (or shota too) should be illegal:

>is posted in a place made for kids
(dont put ur porn on neopets.com)
>is intended to show a child and groom them for sexual contact, re:this is what you do with an adult
>it's art of a real child
(that's just creepy)

>why would someone be into a 14 year old?

Biology

>Why would someone be into a loli?

Mental illness/psychological trauma

>Does it make sense?

Yes.

> Is it real

To some

>or just a larp internet fantasy that never manifests irl?

To others.

Look if you want to discuss a very specific topic pick one. I can't really umbrella term this bitch, too many variables.

>Wanting to diddle a kid in Imaginary Make-Believe Land is perfectly fine, in my opinion
My best friend had a discussion with some psychMDs at the hospital he works at and they said that in most cases, things we fantasize about have very little in common with what gives us the kick and what we actually push in reality. So your opinion is solid.

Why do we have to pretend that sexual contact is harmful to people under a certain age?

Because it is. Have you not seen what I've been saying about being sexually abused? It basically fucked up my life.

It was happening for thousands of years before, it stopped recently. Mainly to stop abuse. Not that we'd be going back, but someome is gonna fuck it up, without a doubt, if it happens.

Actual factuals

Hebephilia is becoming just as abundant in my fantasies though. Still prefer 15-19 year olds though

The key thing here is that being ID'd at a bar is the closest you COULD come to being sure with her. Maybe agreeing to bang her again after makes this a bad example,

The fucked up part is that even if you DIDN'T agree, you said "no way I'm out of here" the moment she said "sorry I have social studies in the morning and I forgot to write my paper on rocket surgery" , she could still put the blame on you (when I think seeing someone's ID is the closest you can come to verifying their identity, even knowing those can be easily faked, wtf else are u supposed to do? cut her leg off and count the rings?)

Incorrect. Lung trauma is a common occurance for people who go out like that. Lung explodes in chest or something. Extreme pain for 30 minutes, followed by death.

>She can't. That's the point.
Oh come on now fam, she LEGALLY can't. Just as she legally fucking CAN decide whether or not she wants to be a boy. You kidding me? She's able to consent about life altering surgeries but she's too immature to listen to her bio clocks? Strongly disagree.

That's the conclusion that most readily presents itself, but it's actually not supported by the science. Scratching the itch does not, in most cases, make the itch stronger, but rather curbs the appetite. In the same way, psychos who play violent video games are less likely to actually go out and murder people.

Not sure why I ended both sentences with "though". I'll rectify that by posting more Millie.

What makes you think that all sex is abuse?

replying to my own post kill me, but I guess this is also a little bit more about what to do in case of false reports or how to prove (normally dubious) consent, and that's an issue unrelated to the question I asked so I'm gonna end that comment train here personally (you guys keep going if you want i dont give a fuck)

>wtf else are u supposed to do?

STOP BANGING JAILBAIT

If you want to risk it with young women. That's the risk part of the equation is the possibility of you utterly being fucked by the long dick of the law. No one is arguing that the system is perfect. You need to be the one to realize a perfect system cannot exist.

literally the shitty argument that out of touch mothers have been making since violent video games have been a thing. there is absolutely ZERO science backing this. there is however multiple statistics that will find the counter of this statement to be true.

All those topics are closely related with bread theme and each user leans on discussing a different one. Like for instance some focus on the law aspect of it, some on the morals, some on their own traumas, some on the sociological impact sexual liberation has had, etc.

What if we stopped putting people in prison when they haven’t hurt anyone?

>why are you Sup Forumsedophiles into loli?

Nigga.

I`ve been here for a very long time.

I can fap to anything.

>Just as she legally fucking CAN decide whether or not she wants to be a boy.

She can't.

Cool idea.

Got a magical crystal ball or some absolute truths to help aid the process?

Sorry but I just pulled off google, seems like sauce comes with text (or has been buried by that pic) but I'd say just erase the text and save tbh

Need to start with a crumb somewhere.

All sex with a child is abuse. I'm saying child because you didn't specify what ''under a certain age'' pertained. I was abused as a child and it was terrible. The end. Having sex with children is harmful to them.

There are people with different mentalities, upbringings and social contexts, so it may vary, but to be sure, having sex with ANYONE under the age of consent is wrong.

Just like how expiring dates in products aren't exact. It may be something like that. You never know when exactly a person is ready for being responsible for their decisions, so sticking to the pre-established rules is the better thing to do for most.

Exactly.

you're truly a stronger man than I. Godspeed.

>STOP BANGING JAILBAIT
But the question he posed referred to the fact you can't say 100% beyond all reasonable doubt which girl IS jailbait. She might be fully legal. She may lie or fake her ID. There's a page even when you can guess ages of women, you'll be wrong 50% of the times, even though you're into most of them.

People don’t die from having sex. Touching someone in a way that feels good isn’t comparable to fucking drunk driving.

Not gonna keep arguing w/ this issue but I agree with this guy, fantasy is harmless and touching a kid irl is wrong.

>What are you lolifags thoughts on people trying to make pedophilia a sexuality/religion?

I think we found one of em.

>I was raped, therefore all sex is rape
Do you realize how silly you’re being?

If you think that there are 0 physical repercussions to having vaginal sex with a prepubescent child then you are actually a fucking moron.

I suppose you're unfamiliar with the latest legislation in Toronto (or where was it), where kids can be taken from their own families if the environment is deemed unsupportive of their 'sexual orientation'.