How does the Left reconcile being pro feminist, pro trans rights and pro islam?

How does the Left reconcile being pro feminist, pro trans rights and pro islam?

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Anything that's not strait white men they support even if they go against each other

as a centrist ill say that im pro islam only in the peaceful, non fundamentalist way. the violent, fundamentalist and literalist interpretation of islam and the very many non quaran books and "sayings" that others pull from literally for justification of violence is dangerous and incompatable with a western classical liberal democracy. if you want to continue believing rape and child marriages are okay then you're harboring ideologies which are against the laws of the countries you're attempting to emmigrate to.

Are you interested in a real response or is this just a troll thread. I'm a little drunk and my body is willing.

It's called cognitive dissonance.

I'm liberal and I don't consider myself pro Islam nor a feminist.

"Liberal" isn't just one huge group of people believing the exact same shit. That would be like me asking "how does the right reconcile Trump siding with Isreal and hating Jews?"

Islam by its roots is a violent and hateful religion, as a right wing Canadian all im gonna say is these sand people should have to get a job and not practice Islam before coming here. all Muslims do is wait until their numbers are high then scream racism or hatred until they get what they want

Halal meat is fucking animal cruelty but shocking theres halal meat everywhere here even though halal slaughter is barbaric at best

Lots and lots of doublethink.

light grey & dark black are the same colors on the spectrum to morons.

>Islam by its roots is a violent and hateful religion
true, it was a brutal, full social structure. when originally implimented, but many sects have grown into a mystic religious tradition based on the surrender of self to perfection rather than surrender to the government. religious freedom should never override personal safety and property laws.
>muslims should have a job to emmigrate
sure. all should.
>Halal meat is fucking animal cruelty
until animals are no longer property, i don't really care how people prepare their meat for personal consumption. if they wanna sell it, it must conform to national laws and no amount of religious justification should come into it.

I'm against all religions, fuck islam, fuck the christians, fuck the jews, buddists, and Hindus also. all those assholes try to control people when they get in power. I have guns and want to see restrictions on guns loosened, but i also love weed, and don't want the government fucking with that. since the gop is owned by religious fucks barely better than islam, and try to keep me from growing weed, and even want to outlaw marriage outside of sex, so i mostly vote dem, except against the blatant gun grabbers

Liberals aren't necessarily pro-Islam. They're pro-freedom of religion and anti-discrimination. There's plenty of fucked up shit in the Bible, too. Western Christians ignore the fucked up stuff in their holy book (child rape, human sacrifice, slavery, socially condoned rape, and misogyny). Westernized Muslims do the same. As long as they practice their beliefs without hurting anyone, there is no point in condemning an entire religion based upon the stupid shit in their ancient book

I said the left not Liberals. Classical liberals wouldn't tolerate the bullshit leftists today call liberalism

I dunno, how does the alt-right reconcile being anti-semitic but pro Trump?

>>Halal meat is fucking animal cruelty
Eating meat itself is animal cruelty.
>>wait until their numbers are high then scream racism
That's how democracy works dumb-ass.
>>these sand people should have to get a job and not practice Islam
Good thing you are insignificant. Listen to this: all im gonna say is these right wing Canadians should go and kill themselves.
See we all can say shit.

Why should they be able to move wherever they want and live for free again?

>talking about liberalism without understanding the difference between classical liberalism and modern liberalism, comparing JS Mill to Rawls
>thinking you're super smart regardless cause you read a wikipedia page one time

Live for free? Who lives for free? Besides why should you be allowed to stay where you are and live for free.

>emmigrate
I agree with everything you said, but you emigrate from a country, and immigrate to a country.

Who does? I have a job and work to live. Just like everyone else that isn’t a cancerous leech.

>fuck Buddhists
>try to control everyone
You don't know shit about Buddhism

The liberal, mainstream left - and quite a bit of the radical underground, unfortunately - purports to hold all three, but it's bullshit.
I ascribe to a lot of radical feminist theory, and it is completely, staunchly at ends with trans/queer theory, and does NOT believe in "relative morality" a la the systemic oppression inherent in Islam.
I can't believe in the liberation of women while uncritically supporting Islam, and I can't desire the elimination of gender roles while supporting trans/queer reclamations of gender. Fuck the left.

then why nitpick spelling on Sup Forums? it was a mistake, i had a half dozen other spelling and grammar errors and didnt correct those. being from the usa, i believe that the government can't dictate how you should worship but that doesn't stop the government from warning against typical islamic beliefs potentially being against the laws and should take steps to prevent people who do not respect others rights from entering the country. if they believe in the fundamentalist sects of islam then they should not be allowed in. but the usa also has a dozen agencies that vet immigrants and it takes way waay too long for visa holders to become citizens. its currently anywhere from 3 to 10 years to become a citizen and if you become a felon while holding a visa should get you kicked out.

stop trying to rationalize the political worldviews of children
it makes you look just as childish

By whole-heatedly believing the problem isn't islam, but like, 10 people calming to be muslim doing all the terrorism.

Wow. All that text. Don't even care. You want to be wrong all your life? Go ahead.

True (socialist/communist) left is not pro-multiculturalism.
What you americans call left is actually just liberal (neoliberal) capitalism.

The Democratic Karen Buddist Army disagrees with you. But go on, tell us how these are not real followers of buddah just like the islam and christians do when their religious zealots start killing her.

They swing from rope

They are forgiven

No other end

So does almost everyone.
>>cancerous leech.
you sound angry that you have to work for a living while someone doesn't?
Think about it, we earn money and get to enjoy a high standard of living. Those that do not have jobs don't get that.

Besides, there are plenty of wealthy kids that live off inheritance, but we do not talk about that because it isn't that obvious.

1000’s of women raped in Germany by Islamic men since the mass immigration. Yeah it’s definitely just ten of them.

tldr grammar nazis fuck off. also only those who refuse to address points of debate are the losers.

Maybe it's just a human condition to try to control everything, and doesn't matter if you follow a religion or not.

Rape was legal in marriage in America until the 70s. You literally couldn't rape your wife, even if you tied her down, screaming, and shoved your dick in her ass.

Child marriages are actually still legal in Hassidic Judaism and various forms of Christianity, such as Mormonism, Quakerism, and both rape and child abuse are extremely common among the Amish.

tl;dr You try to sound like you know what you're talking about but you're actually a fucking moron who is racist against Arabs and thinks that Muslims believe everything in the Qu'ran literally.

Simple, we're not pro-Islam. We're pro-making sure that the people who are being persecuted by radical Islam are able to escape the danger they're in.

And we are also pro-standing up for people who are attacked on the basis of their religion. Most Muslims are peace loving people, but since so many people have got it into their heads that every third Muslim is just 2 minutes from detonating, we need to step in and say "that's a load of bullshit".

But it's more convenient for detractors to say we're pro-Islam, pro-Sharia law and other shit, and people keep assuming that's actually true.

fuck all of them
uncultured parasitic cunts
nuke 'em from orbit and let the wind clean up the dust

I'm not debating you. Just thought you might like to not look like an idiot in the future, but obviously that's giving you too much credit. Do you cry this hard when you fuck up on real life?

Thousands. lmfao Nice hyperbole asshole. Maybe dozens. Maybe.

They follow some kind of neo marxism where the only thing that matters is who is percieved to possess the most power.

Since gays/trannies are perceived to have less power, they are worshiped by the feminazis.

Since muslims are perceived to have less power they are worshiped.

They say that because every two minutes a muslim explodes and then a bunch of towelhead cunts come saying 'not all muslim.' no shit but that don't stop you faggots for white people

who cares what they think, they're more concerned with their own self-image than with the safety and welfare of peoples who have been bailing their dusty asses out of their shithole country
done with all this counter-justification, that's how you faggots get blown up in the first place-- by sitting here and splitting literally every single hair you can find until people get tired of talking to you and leave

Yeah, no shit. but we curb that shit normally with laws. until a bunch of assholes get together and decide that their way is the only way and start killing people for their ideology. The problem is definitely people, but it's extra the people who think almighty imaginary friends give them the right to hurt and control others

Wonder how many rapes happen in the US?

I've met quite a few Muslims, even collaborated on a paper with one. Dude just kept trying to share his curry with everyone. It was decent curry too.

Millions

>this absolves the muslim of his crime!

apologist cuck

Actually false, Islam's roots are Christianity. Jesus is quoted like 76 times in the Qu'ran, Mohammed is mentioned like 4. Get your fucking facts straight you raging moron, or is there something in the Donald's cum that addles your fucking brains?

real tapes or bitches trying to pretend they aren't sluts?

i was the one who was arguing against not exluding muslims from being allowed to immigrate, saying that those who follow the peaceful mystic sect should be allowed in. i don't really care what history has allowed because we don't live in those times and those things have been made illegal. call me a progressive centrist.

to your tldr, your radical anti racist beliefs has blinded you to people who actually stand against racism, but go ahead and fail to convince me of the utility of your beliefs.

Every two minutes a cop in America shoots someone dead. Doesn't mean that all cops are out to kill you, or you're in any real danger.

Most people killed by Muslims are *shock* other Muslims.

The problem isn't Islam, or ideology, the problem is the government, culture and tolerance.
Society needs to give up its inherent need to place value on "culture". As soon as it does this, other cultures will stop being respected. And then suddenly you get a set of equal rules for everyone and no pussy-footing. It started with the whole burka shit. It should be banned in government buildings and in airports and when you're working in office. But fear of offending people let it stay.
Sure, some places eventually banned it, but the damage was done. Same with things like circumcision. It's literally male genital mutilation. But when we create rules and then allow people to circumvent them with the excuse of religion or culture, suddenly people try and circumvent every rule with that excuse. And it's effective because the dumb shits that let it happen in the first place don't want to be seen to be hypocrites.

No shit Sherlock. And its all your goddamn fault. Their country's shit because of US fuckery and ver since 9/11, they've been under the scope. They have to say shit like that cause you're too dumb to catch the real menace so you just attack a random brown guy.

If white people got the same treatment for Nazi behavior, I'll end up going "not all white people" as well.

Doesn't absolve US of their crimes as well you apologist cuck,why not stop them

No I’m not mad that I have to work for a living. I’m mad at the idea of my tax dollars paying for the well-being of habibi and the gang while they remain incompatible with my society.

That's a retarded argument. Most people are killed by the people next to them. Most whites are killed by whites, most asians are killed my asians, most russians are killed by russians, most christians are killed by christians and most jews are killed by...shit!

>islams roots are in christianity
ancient muslims errected a whole society around the practice of islam which you were meant to surrender to the state as the representative of god on earth, but no modern person should believe that and is antithetical to many american beliefs, namely that the government is a necessary evil, just like taxes and tax collectors. you entirely missed the point i was making.

Except you're presenting Islam as being predominantly radical in your statement, and only allowing a small "mystical sect," to be considered okay. Speaking of, which "mystical sect," of Islam are you referencing? Sufism? Turkish derivishes? How do you feel about Persian Zoroastrian revivalism?

Because you think that anyone who isn't anti Islam, is pro Islam. I think that freedom of religion is important and I'm not a retarded fascist. It's pretty easy.

Imagine if either of you actually looked into anything instead of just spouting your feelings about your ideal version of islam. Kys cucks

I just don't take anyone seriously that speaks in absolutes.
>all leftists are pro-islam
>all Muslims are terrorists

Does it ever occur to any of you Trump cock gobbling faggots that not everything is this or that, or them or us. Ffs we will drag you faggots into the future by your hair and you wont even have to thank us for it later.

How are they incompatible? Besides, you can't go ahead and say society is yours, you and I did not shape it nor did we contribute to it, it belongs to everyone. It feels weird that you are using pejoratives in every post.

Going not all white people is social suicide though, especially if you're on the left like me.
I include all races in my anti-racism, but I gotta keep my head low on white people if I want to keep any friends.

"Ancient Muslims," lmfao Dude, read a book. It actually wasn't a brutal sturcture at all, they only made CHristians and Jews pay a tax to live there. THey're called "The Peoples of the Book," and they're tolerable because they GASP AREN'T INFIDELS. THEY WORSHIP THE SAME GOD.

I didn't miss your point, your point was fucking wrong and I called you out on it. How about you fucking leave if you can't even understand "you're wrong," Cleetus?

Of course it has the same roots, the source is the same dumbass.

You’re trying really hard to cherrypick my choice of my words to avoid my point, friendo. Maybe you should try and read some.

>>surrender to the state
You are getting confused with Communism

So when you then say "Islam has violent roots," you say "Christianity has violent roots," and "Judaism has violent roots." The statement selectively choosing Islam is racist, blatantly. I'm not a dumbass, sorry, Eustace.

I provided my response to your point at first, then at the end made a comment about your choice of words.

they worship the same god yet christians are called to love thy neighbor and muslims are called to kill anyone who isn't muslim? good try.

>literally couldn't rape your wife, even if you tied her down, screaming, and shoved your dick in her ass.
My god what a time to be alive.

You are misinformed.

"Don't be a bigot and you will see the bigger picture"

Literally that can be said about anyone. But really if you are being serious, can you blame a guy who goes
>>fuck all of them
>>bomb em

Holy trips confirm.

>pro islam
pleb, as an englightened atheist, I'm anti all religions and pro individual thought and identity.

it's easy as long as you don't straw man

He is correct, you are wrong. Wahhabism is a new, hardcore right-wing movement in Saudia Arabia that has spread outward in their area of influence. It isn't any different than the resurgence in conservative Christian values in America. The only difference is that when a Christian shoots up a mall we don't act like we have to go to war over it because they're usually the right color.

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>they only made CHristians and Jews pay a tax to live there
Misleading. As well as paying the jizya - protection money - they also had to act subjugated around muslims.

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Speaking as a leftie? It doesn't. I hate the SJW faction more than you do. Islam is the single most violent, intolerant, misogynist, totalitarian ideology in existence. There can be no reconciliation.

The question is "why do they defend it, then, even as they call themselves feminists?" Here is my theory:

1. Ignorance. The average liberal's experience with religion is usually a fairly mild one: go to church once a week, mumble some prayer before dinner and that's about it. They cannot imagine just how much more seriously Muslims take their religion.

2. Self-delusion/wishful thinking. By refusing to accept the terrifyingly violent and barbarous nature of Islam, they need not suffer the frightening reality that there are 1.5 billion of those motherfuckers.

3. Virtue-signalling. Self-explanatory, but the more intolerable the thing, the more virtuous they are to tolerate it anyway. "I believe it because it is absurd".

Those are the major factors, I think.

Sodomy was usually illegal, so no.

Judiasm mellowed out. Christianity mellowed out.

Islam is every bit as violent as ever it was. If Islam were to be anthropomorphised, it would be a screaming, violent, autistic ten-year-old with daddy's black credit card, whom will try to kill you if you dare suggest that maybe Twilight Sparkle is not best pony.

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I have been mislead. Am disappoint.

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was it autism?

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It isn't about being "pro-islam", as you put it. It's about being inclusive, even if you don't fully agree with someone else's point of view.

The only heuristic that can accurately predict the behavior of the mainstream Left is anti-whiteness. If a given stance on any issue harms white people or white society then they'll take it, and justify it with whatever ridiculous reasoning may be required. The heuristic sort of breaks down and becomes less useful with orthodox Marxists and other fringe kinds of commie, but with most leftists that you'll encounter on a regular basis the primary motivator is anti-whiteness even if they're not self-aware of it.

Feminism is good to the Left because it creates conflict between the sexes and sows discord within the fundamental unit of society, the nuclear family.
Transexuality is good to the Left because it continues the work of feminism in destroying sexual norms.
Islam is good to the Left because it's the religion of a hostile invader group in European countries.

Islam proudly means to dominate the world, stamp out anything that isn't Islam, and execute anyone who does not convert or submit to subjugation. Their book says so. Their leaders say so. The vast bulk of the rank-and-file says so. Every conditions of every single state in which they've seized political power says so.

They're can be no tolerance of an ideology that unambiguously means to destroy my way of life and replace it with theocratic fascism. I don't tolerate neo-Nazis either. I guess I'm Naziphobic, eh?

And that's fine if you want to have that opinion but there are many muslims who would disagree with you (and many who would agree). It's about tolerance.

I'm explaining the rationale to you, as you asked. I never asked you to agree with it. You are welcome to your opinion.

Ooh, I forgot that bit:

The SJWs routinely conflate race and ideology; if an ideology is primarily non-white -- Islam, for instance -- they reflexively protect it.

Think about the hardcore, fundie Mormons. They too are a bunch of useless childfuckers, but even they won't generally try to execute someone for apostasy or blasphemy. They aren't as bad as Muslims, but those same SJWs have zero problem calling them out as misogynist pedophiles. Now why is that?

Because the fundie Mormons are so white, they're transparent, that's why. They are therefore within the realm of criticism.

Ah. I thought you were advocating that viewpoint. My bad, bro.

Islam isn't fascistic. It's perhaps authoritarian and theocratic in its Wahhabbist form but the only kind of fascism that exists within the Arab world is Ba'athism and Ba'athism is secular as fuck. The dictator of Libya was a Ba'athist who actually spent a significant amount of resources keeping invaders from European shores- until America helped Sunni Islamist rebels kill him.

I don't really like Islam and would prefer that Muslims and Arabs stay in their area of the world but calling them fascists is friendly fire.

Those are not "viewpoints" they are demonstrable facts. Every single theocracy is existence is Islamic. No state is existence executes people for blasphemy or apostasy but the Muslim ones.

The so-called "moderate" Muslims are a tiny, powerless minority and a group is defined by its leaders' views and policies. There were Nazis who only supported Hitler for his nationalist and economic policies and had nothing against Jews. Does that make Nazism tolerable?

If you dislike the word "fascist", fine. "Totalitarian", then. Whether they implement their hell-on-Earth via violent revolution or just emmigrating to non-Muslim lands and democratically outvoting us doesn't matter a bit. Their endgame is the same hell.

Ask them. They might try to dodge the question, but they won't lie.

At least a Nazi-run world would still have beer, sausage and hot white chicks.

In fact even regular Mormons (who despite being weird alien-worshiping heretics are still good, upstanding Americans) and devout Christians are also within the realm of criticism- but only if they're white. Black Christians do not get flak from the Left. The Catholic Church, despite supporting mass immigration to put mestizo asses in American pews, does not get flak from the Left. White Christians are slandered as inbred, gullible rednecks.

The answer is always anti-whiteness. Always. Never confuse ethnic animus for religious animus.

>No state is existence executes people for blasphemy or apostasy but the Muslim ones.
To be fair, punishing people for blaspheming against the national religion isn't really a bad thing in my view. Execution might be a bit much but hey.

>the national religion

Oh, FFS, another fascist. I hope the next Truck 'O Peace gets you.

Yeah, fine, I'm a fascist, now make your argument.

I'm not in favor of punishing apostasy or heresy (especially since I don't take sides in Catholic vs Protestant) but I think that if you desecrate a Christian icon that you should be punished. Call it obscenity or incitement to violence if you don't like the word "blasphemy."