Trump accepts debate, lays out conditions

>Trump accepts debate, lays out conditions.

>Rumors floating around next day Trump said it was a joke.

>Trump reiterates in press conference he wants to do it, if $10m is paid by the network.

>Less than 48 hours later, Trump announces on his website that he has backed out of debate.

>Claims networks won't pay, and that it's inappropriate for him, the GOP nominee to debate someone who is losing the Dem primary.

In short, this was a terrible and stupid move, and here's why:

It doesn't matter if it all of a sudden seems inappropriate, he agreed to do it.

Maybe networks wouldn't put up the cash (who knows, it wasn't even a day), but other people offered the cash.

Boxing promoter put up $20m, tech company put up $10m, TYT put up $1m to host it. If the charities are getting the money, then that's all that matters right?

Trump supporters say the debate is against the rules because it's not sanctioned, but why then didn't Trump mention this in his official statement?

None of this makes any sense. Trump agreed to a debate, and less than 48 hours later backed out of it, making him look indecisive, and confirmed general feelings that he changes his mind every other day.

Will you faggots make any excuse to support this man? What is Trump's 4D move here other than pissing off his supporters, Bernie supporters, and looking like a chicken?

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conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/what-are-the-penalties-if-trump-and-cruz-debate
thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/253196-dnc-chair-closes-door-on-more-debates
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Donald's thought process is just so complex that I'm sure he planned for all of this.

This very post I'm writing was precalculated in his head as an inevitability of his actions, write down to the lack of punctuation in this sentence

Donald exists outside of space and time

Okay schlomo, drumpf is stumped

Now leave

>all these shill threads that are basically saying the exact same thing over and over
plz leave

Is it Groundhog day already?

This was a mistake, he's not going to get any Bernouts like this.

Everyone is making excuse after excuse, trying to hide from this, in literally every thread.

My best hope is that this is some sort of elaborate move that will come together in the future and make sense, as of now, this badly hurt his reputation, which was finally starting to improve.

Top this with the San Diego rally, the fuck has he been thinking the last couple of days?

>physical metaphors

test

Well for one it wasn't Trump's idea to begin with, Bernie relayed the idea through Jimmy Kimmel.

As amazing of a spectacle as such a debate would be, it came off as a desperate attempt by Sanders at getting a nomination he had no chance of getting to begin with- his only chance is hundreds of superdelegates switching their vote and a major reason they won't is that Sanders largely swore off corporate campaign financing.

You can expect Hillary to go after Trump with all the same attacks Bernie was going to go in with. So you'll still get to see "Nazi Drumpf btfo live on stage" but it won't be done by the geriatric socialist.

>Maybe networks wouldn't put up the cash (who knows, it wasn't even a day), but other people offered the cash.
>Boxing promoter put up $20m, tech company put up $10m, TYT put up $1m to host it. If the charities are getting the money, then that's all that matters right?

No. It isn't all that matters. Accepting terms that you didn't propose is bad deal making. Either they can accept the terms as he states them, or he can walk. ART OF THE DEAL FAGGOT

1. he did not have to debate at all, hillary backed out leaving bernie with no contestant
2. Trump has better things to do, like rallying or making plans for his general campaign, so a financial compensation is fair
3. Bernie is indeed losing the Dem primaries, so why would Trump put effort in planning a debate with someone he is not really fighting with
4. Benie could spend this time more wisely, instead of getting assblasted by the Donald, he should improve his own campaign, if he wants to become the Dem nominee

Hasn't anyone mentioned that it's literally against the DNC rules for Bernie to debate Trump?

since when do you have to debate the loser from the other party? would hillary ever debate cruz? maybe that's who bernie should debate; another loser

trump stands to gain nothing from it, and all it's gonna do is help hernie with other liberals. besides, he says if panders was the nominee he would debate him

I agree that it was idiotic to not take the opportunity to debate Sanders.

Sanders even revealed the questions he'd ask ahead of time, for fuck's sake, and Trump could have prepared an adequate response for all of them.

Maybe it was a play by Bernie to give the DNC a reason to drop his nomination while seeming legitimate enough to lose as few Bernout votes as possible. Trump saw through the plan and didn't take the bait.

Where does it say that?

He agreed to it twice, then backed out over his website. I understand it could be a bad move for Trump, but he shouldn't have agreed to it. It makes him look like a joke.

Every Bernout from here on out:
>hey, remember that time Trump bitched out of a debate with masterlord Bernie because he was scared?

With all these reasons, 4D master I.Q Trump should have known not to accept it, because now he just looks like an idiot to everyone except his supporters

Yes, I'm not sold. Why didn't either of them mention that then?

democrats.org/post/dnc-to-sanction-six-presidential-primary-debates

Hail Hydra, Motherfucker.

There are no more debates for Bernie in the primary, why does he give a shit? Obviously he doesn't since he proposed the debate in the first place.

Filename

As someone voting trump, this was a seriously chickenshit thing to do. Hearing the same old recycled "muh conditions" or "b-but he's not the democratic nominee" from desperate trump voters is making me lose respect for the man because it only reinforces how pathetic his reasoning is for backing out.

I get it, rules. I mentioned it in the OP, so why didn't Trump use that as a scapegoat? It would make him look much better than saying oh hurr I realized after the fact that it's inappropriate to debate the loser. It's all in the OP.

know whats neat about this whole debate thing? once the next news cycle starts this week nobody will even remember it.

Bernouts will remember this for the rest of their days, as long as Bernie is still in the race.

Can someone explain this comic. What is the rising water supposed to represent?

Trump is low-energy and felt afraid
Trump supporters have no standards or ideals, they're simply attracted to flashy rallies and fancy hats

Bernie baited Trump into accepting a debate he knew Trump would inevitably have to back out of because of rules, making Trump look indecisive and weak. Bernie took advantage of Trumps ignorance on the political rules of debates and now looks like a hero everyone is too afraid to debate.

Well played Bern man

If this was a joke it was a very stupid joke that he agreed to twice, this has pretty much costed him the vote bernie supporters that may have voted for him.

so, less than 10 days
unless he runs independent like an idiot

The new minimum wage.

None of you realize how intentional this really was. Trump "lost" the debate to empower Bernie. He will lose the nomination, but feeling powerful against trump, he will run 3rd party and guarantee Trump's victory.

I love how the Bernouts are always the ones who ultimately get berned.

that's what happens when you play with fire

We don't know the real reasons behind his reversal but I assume the RNC/DNC have things stitched up monopoly wise and are allowed to veto any unofficial debates, so if Trump went for it Hillary would be able to sue which would open things up and complicate them a million times further.

I agree it makes Trump look stupid and retarded and quite why he's taking the fall for this I don't know. He sounds like he genuinely wants to debate him.

Everytime Trump changes his mind, there is a wave of reports from the lame stream media.

Do you even know what Bill's wife is up to this week, ofcourse not, everyone is talking about Trump. Trump will probably wait till June 3rd to anounce that he is accepting the debate, and then shape the media coverage in some way to make it look like Bernie is backing out.

I'm sure the true anti-establishment candidate wouldn't want to make such an establishment-shattering decision.

It was a really stupid move for Trump, he could have stammered and stumbled through the debate (Although I think he would have crushed Bernie) and came out a winner purely because he got money donated to charity and proved that he is willing to debate Sanders whilst Clinton isn't

Trump backed out because of rules, but didn't specify his reasons for backing out to give the media something to shill about. Pretty smart, keeping himself in the spotlight.

>if Bernie debates Trump he will never be able to debate Hillary again
just fuck my campaign up, retard

>why didn't Trump use that as a scapegoat?
Because this gives him an opportunity to be outrageous, keep the news cycle focused on him, it fits his pattern of being stylistically vague but accurate, and he gets to call Bernie a loser just to infuriate and impassion his base more.

You should realize by now that Trump is in control of the Democratic party nomination, he controls Hillary's poll numbers, and he's currently been beating her down and playing with Bernie to keep them relatively even in the media perception.

Trump is (so far successfully) trying to meme-magic the DNC nomination to generate a competitive and "stolen" nomination for Hillary.

Trump is trying to recreate the 1968 DNC convention riots, which (given the behavior of the Bernie bolsheviks) is ENTIRELY possible.

This is some sick shit we're working with folks.

Minimum wage destroys low-wage jobs because companies cannot afford it. This is why the 15 hour wage will be a disaster in California. McDonalds is now in the process of replacing all of their workers with Robots in California because they cannot bay that 15hr rate without loosing a ton of money.

UP YOURS BERNIE! WITH A FLAMING CACTUS!!

I was actually pretty mad at Trump for this. Of course I'll still vote for him, but this still was a really stupid move.

The level of minimum wage. If the revenue generated by your job is lower than the minimum wage then the job generates deficit. Congratulations, your job at McDonald's is gone, you are replaced by a hamburger-making machine.

>agree to do something on a condition
>condition not met
>don't do the thing
>TRUMP IS SCARE OF BOINIE SANDAZ xD

You even said it yourself you retarded troll.

Trump got Bernie a bunch of publicity and made Hillary even more irrelevant right before the last wave of primary voting kicked off.

Actually doing the debate was inconsequential.

captain america works for hydra

It was a ploy by crooked Hillary to avoid debating trump, by egging Bernie to challenge Trump.

cbsnews.com/news/democrats-pile-on-bernie-sanders-over-bulls-donald-trump-debate/

However, the don is using this to make the bernouts realise that the democrats don't care about them anyways.

Best explanation so far

>associating Captain America with a literal communist jew

lel

The thing I can think of is he didn't want to waste ammo on Bernie. He wants to BTFO Hillary when it counts, not waste ammo in some debate that literally isn't going to change anything. That's my best guess for that argument.

The money that the tech company "offered" came with loads of strings attached. So there's no way he would accept that.

It's actually a genius move. It will keep the media talking about this debate giving Trump the opportunity to remind everyone that it only came about because Hillary reneged on an agreement to debate Sanders in California.

If this robots thing happens in Cali, I will want to see them for myself. The McDonalds will turn into giant vending machines.

TRUMP FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

DONNY GOT KEKED

So you're saying, Hillary convinced Bernie to challenge Trump to a debate, because she knew it would make the DNC dislike him even more?

nobody cares

It's probably the republican party leadership that stopped Trump. But only Hillary would lose by a debate like that.

Agreed this is not a good look on The Donald.

But time is on his side. He can afford to wait till July while the Democratic party tears itself apart.

I actually do think that Trump made a genuine mistake on this one - he broke the rule "never interrupt your enemy when things are going your way" by even thinking about debating Bernie. Why roll the dice when things were already looking good for him?

The interesting thing is that Hilary's emails are turning out to be a full blown scandal. I can't help but think Trump knows information about it that most do not, and he may be taking a loss now by backing out so as to be in a better position later.

is it Groundhog day already?

What's with all these S4P and Sup Forums nigger faggots on Sup Forums? Do you faggots not have Overwatch to jerk off to or some shit? Maybe finish your middle school poster projects?

Also, friendly reminder:

>bernie & his cucks throw all their eggs in one basket
>rely on Trump to give them exposure
>waste their time and effort
>they wanted Romney or Cruz to moderate
>rules exist that bars this debate from even happening
>bernie got cucked again

Who needed this debate, exactly?

>I mentioned it in the OP, so why didn't Trump use that as a scapegoat?

If some meddling kids on a Portuguese Penis Puppetry website can find this information this easily, the professional news media (especially ones that have been "covering politics for decades") should be quite familiar with the rules.

The Jew cannot help but lie, and Trump is helping to expose the Jew in every dark corner they hide in.

Debates are run by the Commission on Presidential Debates, which is jointly run by the DNC and RNC. It was once part of the League of Woman Voters and retains many members from the old group.

There is a legal agreement between the parties which forbid candidates from participating in non-sanctioned debates. Both parties must consent to every debate. If candidates do participate in non sanctioned debates, they forfeit participation in all future debates.

Candidates also agree to (except in 2004) SECRET Memorandums of Understanding, which outline not only the debate format, but also who can moderate, what questions can be asked, and even who is allowed to attend it. These MoUs often run into the hundreds of pages. In 2004 it was made public due to media pressure, but since then it's gone back to being secret.

THE POINTS:

>CLINTON AND SANDERS CANCELED THE SANDERS/TRUMP DEBATE.

>CLINTON WILL BE ALLOWED TO MAKE DEMANDS FOR NEARLY EVERY DETAIL OF THE FUTURE DEBATES.

>IF TRUMP HAD DEBATED SANDERS, THE GOP WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO BAN HIM FROM DEBATING CLINTON

Source on GOP rules:
conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/what-are-the-penalties-if-trump-and-cruz-debate

Source on DNC rules:
thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/253196-dnc-chair-closes-door-on-more-debates

Source on Commission in Presidential Debates:
debates.org/index.php?page=about-cpd

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How much do you get paid for these?

Doesn't matter since Bernie won't get Dem nomination. Watching Bernouts get triggered is the fun part.

Since you're likely a Redditor, let me cut to the chase.

No amount of posts, retweets, donations, hash tags, bitching on Reddit or Sup Forums will ever change the reality that Hillary Clinton will beat Sanders in New Jersey and California to reach the nomination uncontested.

Have a nice day x4.

Elaborate, I agree with what you said, this thing was destined to crash before it even took off.

But Bernie knew about the rules, obviously, he's been in politics for a while, so why did he propose it? Did he bait Trump into accepting something he knew he would inevitably have to back out of? Does Bernie just not give a shit because it was his last chance, rules be damned?

Was it a sincere offer by Bernie in your opinion?

>Congratulations, your job at McDonald's is gone, you are replaced by a hamburger-making machine.
Sup Forums logic.

>if women are paid less than men for doing the same job, employers would employ only women
>if a machine is paid less than men for doing the same job, employers would wait until minimum wage goes up and then employ only machines

just look at the buzz around bernie now. If bernie doesn't win california now I would be surprised. Trump is invulnerable in this, but if bernie wins california because of this, hillary would be a deeply wounded candidate in november. 4D move.

whatever you say buddy

First off, Bernie sounds like Count Chocula yelling his order through a drive-thru speaker.

His campaign was never really serious anyway. He just wanted to loot the last nickle out of his gullible supporters.

It's the Socialist Way!

Trump isn't going to be complicit in aiding and abetting the continuation of that giant Bernie swindle. And have no doubts, Bernie's campaign has been one giant swindle of his supporters.

And the MSM are refusing to donate all proceeds to charities supporting women's health, to boot.

THE NETWORKS WERE BEING TOO CHEAP TOWARDS WOMEN'S CHARITIES
>THE NETWORKS WERE BEING TOO CHEAP TOWARDS WOMEN'S CHARITIES
THE NETWORKS WERE BEING TOO CHEAP TOWARDS WOMEN'S CHARITIES

Confirmed MSM hates women

tl;dr: 3rd rate candidate Bernie sounds like Count Chocula, is swindling his supporters, and MSM hates women.

Bernie “Madoff” Sanders

Bernie Swindler

Machines are a an expensive one-time investment, and they are not yet viable alternatives for minimum wage labor. With the hike of it however, the investment into self-service booths suddenly becomes not only economically sound, but also necessary for a business to even stay afloat.

And funnily, once the investment into machinery is done, there is no turning back to manual labor, even if the minimum wage laws were reduced to previously low levels, since the investment is already done.

Trump was going to be attacked on climate change and he could have segued into his energy plan which looks to seek alternative energy.

He was going to be attacked on his rhetoric and could have said he never came down on US citizens.

He was going to be attacked on the birther thing and he could have drilled that it came out of Hillary's camp while maintaining that he kept the same logic against Cruz.

Maybe he didn't want to give Hillary any hints but he just alienated a lot of potential crossover Bernie voters, and maybe even some existing ones.

I think everyone knew it was going to happen, the kool aid chuggers, but especially Trump.

The jig would have been up if they debated. People would have had to reconcile their vote for Trump with the fact that he doesn't know anything... too bad since that would've definitely been interesting.

True that, still voting Trump get comfy lads.
Everyone in my family and state is almost 100% Trump.

More mad and emotional Bernouts get on TV, and youtube the more logical Trump gets for normies.

More lies come out of Hildog's mouth the more Trump sounds like the right decision for old lady normies.

How many more threads are you and your shill brigade going to make you pathetic cunts?

Why isn't it an economically sound long-term investment now? Minimum wage hike or no, it sounds like a good investment the way you just described it.

>election day
>race is decided by .2% in swing state
>those independent bernie voters trump could have won

Prior to this Sup Forums sure was loving the masterful plan of Trump winning over berniebros now suddenly, lol who cares.

votes are votes, you can try to spin it how you want but this was a mistake on his part. Bernie right now wants attention, he got it and the only one looking like a cuck is Trump by every media outlet saying he chicken out

Bernouts all emotion, all fantasy all losers.

Instead of trying to stop Hilary from stealing the Nomination they are on here trying to debate people who will not change their minds, because once a mind is redpilled on the truth it cannot go back into fantasy land.

After reading about and studying the bolshevik revolution, and taking the red pill I could never support Bernie.

No matter how many freebies he offered.

Bernie bros and redditors come here to debate and argue, but even if you show them Redpills and evidence, they will result to name calling and screaming like fedora tippers.

Get Comfy lads, Bernouts just keep believing.

Trump 2016.

What does Scott Adams have to say about this turn of events?

Because the cost of the machines, maintence, and stocking supplies currently make it uneconomically viable compared to hiring people, duh.

True, but I think it's a small hit for a larger gain in the future, like giving Bernie some momentum to win CA, which is a deep wound to Hill. Like we both mentioned, I don't think he wanted to give Hill any hints or waste any ammo before it counted.

Because businesses have no incentive for it. Even if a machine takes over the cash register and works exactly as efficiently as a regular human, its still a robotic cash register. It cant clean the floors, stock the shelves or do any other tasks than its direct purpose. Multipurpose humans are superior to that still.

But, when suddenly the minimum wage is risen so high that you could not keep your full human staff simply due to the extra costs, replacing the most simple jobs with robotics and firing the rest becomes just a method of survival.

Simply put, humans are more useful than machines, and they are still cheap enough to be of equal value to a bigger investment.

Nah. It doesn't matter. It splits the vote super hard.

>vote for hillhog to keep trump out
>vote for trump to keep hillhog out
>don't vote/third party vote
>write in bernberg
It doesn't matter, he's cracking the dem vote so hard the party isn't just going to split at the convention, it's going to explode.

This all came out last summer when Rand wanted to debate Sanders. We've known about this shit for at least six months. Yet Cruz tried it against Trump, and so did Sander's back in March. It's a ploy to stop Trump. Trump toys with it and then gives a w/e answer to why he won't do it.

I mean why would you wait until your rent goes up to create a new revenue stream? Why not have that resume stream already in the works? The implication that they'd only start working on this concept if the minimum wage went up sounds a bit implausible to me.

>There are no more debates for Bernie in the primary, why does he give a shit?

I think he's relying on the average person's ignorance of the rules to make Trump look bad. I called it a few days ago that it would NEVER happen, at least not until Bernie actually won the Dem ticket. Both the DNC/RNC would shut it down.

There are no more sanctioned primary debates for either party you dumbass

Also another thing, the robotics are improved every year more and more, so businesses have an interest to delay switching over to full automation for as long as possible. A robot in 2015 can maybe man a cash register, in 2018 could maybe assist in security, and in 2022 could perhaps be equal to human in manuverability. Dropping your investment into robotics right here and now will land you with rapidly going out of date tech. Hence why its as useful as possible to employ humans as long as possible, until the wage hike, or the cheapened technology makes replacing them a too enticing option.

He isn't cracking anything. Any possible bernie vote he could have had he has now flush down the toilet. If hadn't accepted the debate, twice, and just let hillary alienate bernie supporters he could had won them over later down the road. At best those voters will just stay home, he had the potential of winning voters and all he did was lose them.

Sanctioned primary debates. Primary is the key word. They could word in a way that prevents Trump from participating in GE debates.

My mother hasn't voted since the 70s. She was a hippie flower child who got fed up with the system.

She just registered to vote so she could vote Trump. We're in PA. SWING STATE, LADS.

No they couldn't, and no they wouldn't.

Stop making up excuses.

Trump and Bernie are under contract to not debate unless they are both the nominees

If this was in any way shape or form the case, don't you think trump or even a single news outlet would have pointed it out?

But they don't, because you're fucking retards making up excuses. Stop making up excuses, stormweenies

>Be Bernout ivory tower liberal who would never vote for a Republican in a thousand years
>keep repeating online that Bernie CAN and SHOULD win despite losing the popular vote and delegates
>the back of my head keeps telling me he can't do it
>desperately search out for any small chance he has
>Trump agrees to a wildcard debate
>this is it
>Bernie can call Trump a racist bigot to his face
>Bernie will be seen as so brave and so good for the DNC they'll have to give him the nomination
>head is spinning
>there is a chance there is a chance
>don't sleep all night
>48 hours go by
>Trump says lolno
>CHICKEN OH GOD CHICKEN
>oh please put me out of my misery
>DRUMPF IS A BABY
>oh god all my money and phonebanking
>CHICKEN CHICKEN
>It's September now why are all these blue collar workers still switching to support him? I don't like Hillary but don't they see Trump is RACIST? They're supposed to be democrats don't they care about the DEBATE?
>DRUMPF IS A CHICKEN
>I wish I knew my father
>oh god please make the pain stop

Remember boys and girls, inside every smug Bernout right now is the temptation of suicide

>they still have a race going on