A study of the first DNA obtained from an ancient Phoenician reveals that the man had European ancestry.
The research team, which was co-led by Professor Lisa Matisoo-Smith of the University of Otago in New Zealand, sequenced the first complete mitochondrial genome of 2,500-year-old Phoenician buried in North Africa. Experts studied a man dubbed the “Young Man of Byrsa” or “Ariche,” whose remains were taken from a sarcophagus in the ancient city of Carthage, just outside Tunis, the Tunisian capital. Carthage was the center of the Phoenician civilization.
Phoenicians are known as the creators of the first alphabet, and inhabited the coastal cities, Tyre, Sidon, Byblos and Arwad, in what is now Lebanon and southern Syria.
According to lead study author Lisa Matisoo-Smith, a professor in the department of anatomy at New Zealand's University of Otago, the remains reveal the earliest known evidence in North Africa of a rare European genetic population, or haplogroup, known as U5b2c1.
The first DNA analysis of 2,500-year-old remains from one of the great early civilizations of the Middle East, the Phoenicians, has shown the man had European heritage, researchers said Wednesday.
Nicholas Torres
The findings offer the earliest evidence of the European mitochondrial haplogroup U5b2c1 in North Africa, according to Matisoo-Smith, dating its arrival to at least the late sixth century B.C.
Bentley Diaz
Ancient DNA study finds Phoenician from Carthage had European ancestry.
>tfw Tartessian pure breed >tfw white monkeys call spaniards niggers
David Ramirez
>tfw thought it was going to be WE WUZ KINGZ >pleasantly surprised
Robert Morgan
AYO HOL UP
Eli Jenkins
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Logan King
WE
Jacob Jackson
Experts analyzed the mitochondrial DNA of 47 modern Lebanese people and found none were of the U5b2c1 lineage.
Same shit that will happen to Europe.
David Moore
This is actually a "Just a moment, chap" thread.
Austin Flores
Read you dumb ape.
Ryder Howard
>known evidence in North Africa of a rare European they're called Berber and are basically, germanic bastards
Noah Turner
WE WERE KINGS AND SO ON
Jeremiah Diaz
WE WUZNT KANGZ????
Kayden Richardson
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Matthew Cooper
WE WUZ ALPHABET N SHEEEEIT!!!
Xavier Sanchez
In the contrary.
Jeremiah Robinson
One second old bean are you to tell me that we were royalty and whatnot?
Jace Ward
>Phoenicians are known as the creators of the first alphabet >what is cuniform besides they probably belonged to the sea peoples believed to be indo-europeans, as they were also a seafaring nation
Michael Russell
Hyksos Sea People Blonde Peruvians Mound Builders Jade Emperor
Samuel Lee
Why would this stun scientists? Why would scientists think they were black?
Charles Jones
Beautifully put.
We have survived and will never fall.
Jaxson Lewis
>The findings in the journal PLOS ONE suggest his maternal lineage likely came from the north Mediterranean coast, on the Iberian Peninsula, perhaps near what is modern day Spain or Portugal.
So this guys great great great great etc grandmother may have been a spic and Sup Forums thinks this makes him a European e.i "white" because he may have been .01 percent spanish? lel
Bentley Brooks
And what is European genetic or ancestry? Do you realize Europe is a continent that contain different Caucasian groups Why germanics so ignorant and stupid?
Why
Do you
Cooper Garcia
yeah I did this doesn't mean shit you simian
Jason Cooper
Excuse me *sips tea* Wait just a moment there my man *explores world* Are you attempting to explain to me *whips slaves* That us fellows were *Forms colonies* Some jolly sort of *Sells opium* Monarchs and whatnot? *dances poorly* That we
Henry Bennett
the white man wasn't suicidal back then
Dylan Bennett
>hail from the iron islands
and that's where i stopped reading.
Luis Peterson
Could this not just have been a native Iberian who adopted Cathaginian culture and moved to Carthage?
Elijah Rodriguez
Cuniform was hyroglyphs like chinese, not an alphabet.
modern europeans emerged conclusively in the fossil record about 3k years ago as teh dominant group, defined as r1b and r1a sweeping across the whole of europe, killing local horticulturalists, raping their woman, and displacing horticulture with feudal agriculture.
different europeans have diferent profiles NOT because of different r1bor r1a markers, but because fo different native groups that were rapedand remain in the genome
this means that 1. hitler was RIGHT, somehow,50 years before molecular dna evidence 2. when we discover a european in bronze age centers of antiquity, and he resembles a basal european profile rather than a basal semitic profile, it means that semites REPLACED the eruopeans, explaining bronze age collapse
you fucking idiots
here's another one for you
in china there WAS NO bronze age collapse and NO dark ages because there was NO population replacement event where chna was invaded by shitskins. their DNA profile reflects this.
youre welcome, Sup Forums
Landon King
Only his maternal haplogroup was iberian
For all we know this man was 99.9 percent black but had a great great great great great great etc grandmother who was Iberian
They need to do an autosomal test. Mtdna tells even us less than ydna because it mutates very slowly
Aaron Peterson
SO U BE SAYIN... WE WUZ HANNIBAL N SHIET??
Jose Rogers
debatable >An alphabetic cuneiform script with 30 signs including three that indicate the following vowel was invented in Ugarit before the 15th century BC. This script was not used after the destruction of Ugarit.[11]
Robert Nguyen
Might sound crazy, but what if the "Phoenician" was just an immigrant?
>be poor dirt farmer living in southern France >Greeks are gone, so no more people to sell shitty grains to for a high price >hear of great city in the south of the Great Sea >pack up and travel there >shit's pretty nice >lots of tan qt3.14's >people can read and write like the Greeks, but aren't busy butt-fucking 12 year old boys >all seems pretty good... wait... what are they doing with that baby? >well... guess paradise cant be perfect
Caleb Rivera
muh sicilian DNA
Elijah Lopez
>hieroglyphs >alphabet Pick one you stupid faggot
Blake Jones
WE
Blake Garcia
Didn't read
Ryan Foster
He looks like he is a Roman, no?
Juan Sanders
you're dumb and you should feel dumb.
when in history has a female lineage violently displaced a rival female lineage and taken the men?
never.
we hvae evidence from the levant that philistines were greek. philistine sites have bones with isotopes that could have only emerged in greece.
they weren't female warriors
the levant was basal european until about 1500 years ago, supplanted by back migration from europe
Jordan Adams
>they're called Berber and are basically, germanic bastards That could be from te Vandals.
Jacob Campbell
It's funny how they always try to make the depiction looking something between a nigger a mongoloid and a gooks.
Better not offense anyone even tho DNA says he was probably more looking like casear but whatever.
Jeremiah Parker
>genes from 600 BCE >ancient exist Phoecians 6000+ BCE
The study is off by an order of magnitude. Its like saying modern Greek DNA is the same as ancient Greek DNA (same for most of Eastern Europe)
Landon Baker
No clue what you're blabbering about, but I'm sure it's nonsense.
I'm saying just because we know his maternal haplogroup doesnt mean we know anything about his actual ancestry beyond speculation
Caleb Morgan
Exactly. Niggers have NEVER Built a successful civilization....EVER!
Even the Egyptians were most likely Europeans mixed with Sand people.
Josiah Kelly
bad theory. at the time oceanic voyage was impossible. southern european lineages came into the levant by dinghies that had to e rowed, they hadn't discovered sails yet. the med is the only place where this kind of travel was possible, and they still had to stick to the coast because they didn't have star charts.
3k years ago, modern euro lineages came into europe via the northern caucasus, about 2k years ago, those same lineages made their way back into the caucasus region, and further south into phoenecia, the elvant, etc. by rowed boats, BEFORE they made it to north africa, because making it to north africa is impossible by following the coast.
the tale of king david is the tale of native levantine people being displaced by european invaders who were smarter, more numerous, etc.
Aiden Hughes
WE WUZ DESTROYERS OF CIVILIZATIONS AND SHIT
Luis Cox
>Colonizing >just a immigrant.
Henry White
"Ariche's mitochondrial genetic make-up most closely matches that of the sequence of a particular modern day individual from Portugal.” Yes, he was 100% white! t. Alberto Barbosa
Jaxson Gomez
the Kush Empire was pretty good
Anthony Johnson
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Xavier Gonzalez
Interesting so how exactly did the Europeans of old look? I have heard stories that the Ancient Romans had Red and Blonde hair. Is this true?
The Picture that OP posted looks like a Italian / Mediterranean male not much different from what you would encounter today.
Caleb Gomez
you're showing how stupid you are
never in history has a group of females migrated to a new place and interbred with the males.
if the bones are from a foreign group with female lineage, it means the males invaded and brought females with them.
we use these kinds of metrics to track population movements very accurately. you're trying to deny fucking facts
Jeremiah Bell
Vandalo in spanish is literally translated as thief
Brandon Johnson
I never mentioned or speculated on anything you are talking about, consider medication friend.
Asher Bailey
Underrated. I chuckled heartily.
Robert Brooks
I just hope an external enemy strikes soon enough to wake us up. If the lefties keep draining our veins of blood it may eventually be too late.
Mason Harris
Wir waren Könige!
Andrew Bell
Their name comes from ancient Greek and it either means "blood-red men" (meaning they have red skin, which would mean they were not White), or it could mean "red-headed men" "Blood-red men" would probably mean that their skin appeared red from the blood vessels beneath, and also that their skin would turn red when they blushed.
Julian Jenkins
ancient accounts are probably accurate. they didn't simply imagine the existence of red hair out of nowhere.
the remnants of pre-r1b/r1a peoples are most closely genetically related to irish/basque peoples.
Elijah Gutierrez
A colony of the ancient Finnish kingdom. We're more U5 heavy than any other ethnicity.
Charles Wood
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Jaxon Morales
>at the time oceanic voyage was impossible
who said anything about traveling there by boat? He could walk there like humans have always been doing.
And maybe he did sail. People did not always stick to coasts. How did some of the larger islands in the Mediterranean Sea get populations on them? He could pay for passage to Corsica, then Sardinia, and finally onto Carthage itself.
There is a lot of ways to immigrate somewhere. I mean, modern illegals do it with makeshift rafts and anything that floats nowadays.
Who's to say that this European didn't do that? Imagine the rage those Phoenicians must have felt. >damn snowskins >taking our country over >won't be praising Baal much longer at this rate >we'll be a [insert ancient Euro language here] speaking country in no time >Caananite? more like Cuckanite
Landon King
>making it to north africa is impossible by following the coast. Unless they can break down the boat and move it on land,
Brayden Richardson
t. Alberto Barbosa
John Jenkins
Colonies attract all sorts of international attention. Even before modern communication. Look at the United States.
Matthew Torres
>the white man wasn't suicidal back then
We aren't suicidal.
If there is just one small gathering of unashamed whites, then the inheritance lives on.
Levi Wright
I was just going to say that.
U5 is unequivocally Finnic in origin. That is really interesting.
Phoneicains were Siberians ?
Aaron Collins
Spanish people are white you obvious minority
Noah Williams
>Even the Egyptians were most likely Europeans
Ramesses II, the most powerful pharaoh of the Egyptian Empire, was a REDHEAD, for fuck's sake. His preserved corpse shows not even a trace of negroid features.
* WHITES CONFIRMED MASTER RACE *
* BLACKS BTFO YET AGAIN *
Hudson Adams
the gays are already getting more redpilled, the moment women see multiculturalism as it really is nothing is stopping Europe
Julian Bell
>are most closely genetically related to irish/basque peoples. No they are not
They are most closely related to Sardinians
And it would be impossible for them to be closely related to Irish and Basques since basques and Irish aren't even closely related to each other.
Jordan Morris
What if we was every ancient civilisation from Mesopotamia to Egypt and our history just repeats as a cycle of getting destroyed by shitskin immigration and we move further and further north as a result.
The last Pharaohs of Egypt were black. There's a reason for that.
Caleb Nelson
I fucking love you, user.
Luis Martin
Wait a second lads. Do these scientific findings give evidence to the claim that we people of European descent, were in fact partially descended from a successful civilization?
Isaiah Lee
walking takes thousands of years because you can't feed an army supplied with bronze weapons by scavenging.
they necessarily took boats, and they necessarily had ships to transport mined bronze.
infrastructure at the time was better than what you would commonly assume. infrastructure stayed in tact roughly until the age of cavalry when arabs went around burning ships, deep water ports, forcing italians and spanish to build all of their settlements in the mountains (you didn't think that was a coincidence did you?)
ship transport means an army could land in the levant in a year, instead of after several decades of walking. it meant they could bring food to supply their siege armies, it meant they cuold bring their woman, which is precisely what this dna evidence shows.
Aaron Rivera
>U5b2c1
Wait what? How is that possible? What route would Finns follow to get to that location?
Colton Cook
Stupid cumskins everyone know da real Master Race was the ancient Atlantians who were all Niggas! They used power crystals and earth magic when white men were living in caves. You are all children of Yukub!
Jonathan Morris
>Experts analyzed the mitochondrial DNA of 47 modern Lebanese people and found none were of the U5b2c1 lineage.
Bingo.
Brandon Thomas
>U5 finnic caliphate confirmed
Parker Stewart
People from Phoenix are Phoenicians
Christopher Bennett
Pretty cringey stuff desu
David Cooper
This time we will move more than North, we will move away from this entire planet and claim space for the white man!
Mason Nguyen
So the logical next question is.. When?
When do we start?
Matthew Turner
>A study of the first DNA obtained from an ancient Phoenician reveals that the man had European ancestry.
Lies.
That nigga was black as the ace of spades.
Hudson Flores
>Ramesses II, the most powerful pharaoh of the Egyptian Empire, was a REDHEAD, Sauce? Was that from a DNA test of the mummified corpse?
Kevin Adams
Nice but still kinda cringey
Jacob Nguyen
Lived long enough to see the 'we wuz alphabet n' shiet' meme die Thank you based and perhaps orientationally challenged Fins
Blake Reyes
>walking takes thousands of years >instead of after several decades of walking
I mean... do you read what you are saying? Entire civilizations migrated on foot/horseback. It's entirely possible.
They did it fast too. Humans just walk bro. We're good at it. All the while of walking, it's not like they did not have the means to barter with the passing peoples.
I am just talking about the single skeleton they examined. Maybe HE got there by walking after the foundation of Carthage. Maybe HE sailed there with vessels bound for the new city: the fucking name Carthage comes from Qart Hadasht, "the new city".
