Why do I start to apprieciate the prequels just after I watched star wars the last jedi two days ago

Why do I start to apprieciate the prequels just after I watched star wars the last jedi two days ago

Because the new Star Wars movies are hot garbage.

I mean i liked the force awakens, it was a pretty good movie, but the last jedi just made me feel sick(literally)

Disney SW is gay bro. Just let it go. Don't support it. Don't buy new Star Wars products. Don't be suckered. You have free will against Disney SW, you can resist.

It was pretty bad.

The acting was so awkward.

Because the prequels actually added something to the storyline. The new movies feels like a money grab.

the episode III was the best of all the movies

Because at least George Lucas wasn't afraid of a little backstory.

is there a nude of daisy floating around

George Lucas has a basic understanding of epic story telling whereas all Rian Johnson gave us was a sinking feeling of dread as the movie drags on forever only to be more and more disappointing than even the prequels.

>George Lucas has a basic understanding of epic story telling

LOL Jar Jar Binks.

This movie killed star wars for me. I just don't want to support the franchise if this is the quality they are going to produce.

The writers of TLJ spent so much time trying to subvert peoples expectations that they forgot to make an actual movie.

>George Lucas has a basic understanding of epic story telling
... no, no he doesn't. He has a basic idea of story telling which was harnessed and molded by more talented, intelligent people. What George Lucas understands is how to turn his garbage into money.

Jar Jar binks affected the rest of the story in no way and Lucas stated he put that in just for the kids.

Which turns out kids did like him. So guess he was right.

I’m the same as you. Utterly disappointed that I was forced to boot Star Wars out of my life cause of this garbage

>George Lucas has a basic understanding of epic story telling
if this is true then why is it The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movies - AND the one Lucas had the least control or creative influence on?

Which is the opposite situation of the prequels.

it's just a movie..

So my problem with this, in addition to them not making a movie, is that when you subvert expectations, it has to be for a purpose. The subversion has to have a greater meaning and story telling purpose than just LOL FUCK STAR WARS FANS.

This, plus the ENDLESS sjw propaganda. Muh strong bitchy purple-haired womyn leaders, muh pointless adventure of two minority characters who did nothing but bitch about muh capitalism, muh mary sue, muh evil nazi white space hitlers

blaaaaaaaaaaaaahh

So? That means we're not allowed to have an opinion on it? What kind of 12 year old dipshit are you? Did you think that made you sound cool and above it all?

The SJW was strong with this movie.

Probably because you're a hipster faggot

to be fair you need to have a very high IQ to appreciate the new movies. sorry OP

But I understand rick and morty perfectly well

Would someone give me a quick spoiler rundown so I can avoid it?

The prequels actively destroyed good things from the first 3 movies. THey were also clearly cash grabs aimed at hooking everyone with little fan service but tons of merchendising.

Shit even Episode 6 shows that Lucas knew it was a money machine. Why else would the Ewoks be prominently featured? The whole battle with them is absurd.

Snoke Dead, Luke Dead, Leia not dead, Rebellion died but gets revived at the end

literally the only outcome from the movie is luke is dead from expending all his energy in the force, and the resistence is nearly wiped out..again.

>George Lucas has a basic understanding of epic story telling
He cleary does not. Just look at 1-3. Try and watch episode 2. Its a bunch of useless scenes, blue screen cgi, and the laughable plot goes on purely because the script says so, not for any good reason.

Not that we are doing much better with 7 and 8.

Rebellion is on last leg for 2 hours of the movie and a lot of bullshit happens that wasn't worth paying attention to. Like holy shit how poor does one have to write a story before people realize it's not good.

Leia gets blasted into outter space and flies back to the ship like Mary Poppins Superman
Half the movie is literally a subplot that ends up being pointless giving pointless characters pointless things to do.
The main antagonist Snoke is killed halfway through with no explaination to why or who he was.
Luke dies, but in any rewarding way. He doesn't have a battle or last stand just "exerts" himself too much on astral projecting himself and blows to dust.

>What George Lucas understands is how to turn his garbage into money
He is exceptionally talented at that. Seems like he is better suited to be a producer and have little to do with the directing/scrip writing.

>Seems like he is better suited to be a producer and have little to do with the directing/scrip writing.

In the original three Lucas bounced his ideas off the rest of them team and community decisions could be made. With the prequels he was the emperor of the whole thing, and was lazy about it too. Now the franchise is in the hands of people that clearly only want money and lowest common denominator.

We're not getting a Kubrick or Nolan or Lynch Star Wars. We probably never will get a director given free reign with Disney hoarding star wars.

Jar jar was hinted to have a larger role in the prequels. The Darth jar jar theories had some truth. Also jar jar literally caused the rise of the empire by making palpatine chancellor

Exactly. That's why ESB was the best film. He let Irving Kershner do what he was great at, and George did what he was great at. Even in A New Hope, even though Lucas directed it, his x-wife saved that movie with her editing genius, which Lucas had little input on.

Lucas worked best when he had help.

I don't mind annoying political statements in film, but at least make them quicker than 30 minutes. What a waste of time to tell everyone but the mouth breathers things we already know. Yes the military industrial complex profits from war. This isn't terribly deep concepts.

Ah okay, lame. Thanks.

>Wants somebody using magic to look more realistic
>Touche,,,,
>Main antagonist is somehow a dude we saw a couple of minutes of with zero development
>Becoming one with the force as a living being isnt bad ass because my tiny brain cant understand

Its just more and more of good guys vs bad guys. Nothing has changed since episode 1. Its the same fucking story over and over and over. Just more and more lowest common denominator plots. And to think what could have been when looking at games/books/etc. People have put together great story arcs, but we keep getting the same drivel.

As bad as this is, the prequels are still worse

>Lucas bounced his ideas off the rest of them team and community decisions could be made
No he didn't. He was working on other projects.
>Now the franchise is in the hands of people that clearly only want money and lowest common denominator.
That was a stage set for Disney BY Lucas. Remember how the the empire was defeated by adorable teddy bears? Adorable, easily merchandised teddy bears?
>We're not getting a Kubrick or Nolan or Lynch Star Wars. We probably never will get a director given free reign with Disney hoarding star wars.
It's called "lightning in a bottle" and no, it probably won't happen again. This is not Disney's fault. Disney is just a big lumbering animal, following it's natural instincts.

Jar Jar was supposed to be a Sith Lord.

smoke is killed anticlimactically by kylo. luke becomes one with the force after using a force projection to buy time for the resistance to escape a dead end they trapped themselves in.

rei becomes an uber jedi after only a single lesson from luke that didn't involve in real teaching. they randomly introduce a chink love interest for finn, rei starts getting goo-goo eyes for kylo after snoke force connected their minds a couple of times.

some purple haired uber leaders fucks up a escape plan by her own incompetence and then sacrifices herselfe going light speed wipping out a ENTIRE STAR DESTROYER FLEET including snokes flagship which complete trivalises the death stars, starkiller base and all that other jazz because light speed rams obliterates everything.

>No he didn't. He was working on other projects.
He had plenty of help and healthy critisism from his team when making 4/5/6. He didn't even direct 2 of them. Most of the script work was done by others. 1/2/3 he directed and wrote everything.

>That was a stage set for Disney BY Lucas. Remember how the the empire was defeated by adorable teddy bears? Adorable, easily merchandised teddy bears?
The fraying edges were obvious with the Ewoks. I'd have been fine if the ewoks were there up to the battle. Having them fight and defeat the emperors best troops is laughable.

Its incredible how that theory somehow improves the story of 1-3.

I thought it was great.
You guys are living in the past. Disney Star Wars will be modern movies, not 1970s epics made by old fashioned western filmmakers. Adapt or die.

lol I spent the entire last thread trashing it and ripping it a new one fir everything wrong about it

force awakens was the platform for The last jedi, and last jedi fucked it all over. I have no hope for the future of this series.

/thread

It's like JJ Abrams and George Lucas let Rian Johnson take over while they are gone and then they come back only to discover Rian Johnson handed them a pile of shit

Adpat or die, lol. Like it's watch Star Wars or nothing. Wrong. I'll just enjoy the old 70s-80s films, and then also enjoy REAL sci-fi like The Expanse, Westworld, Blade Runner, etc, and totally ignore anything Disney does with Star Wars. SW is dead to me.

You can have it's bloated corpse.

>rei becomes an uber jedi after only a single lesson from luke that didn't involve in real teaching.
I thought Luke's training was bullshit, but at least he had a year or two under yoda to try to catch up. Taking it to this extreme is fucking ridiculous.

>they randomly introduce a chink
gotta please that chinese market. They will pay big bucks if one of their own is in it. Just like the new flash.

> trivalises the death stars, starkiller base and all that other jazz
Only took them countless millennia but it sounds like they finally invented the missile.

His role taht made palpatine empire could of been filled by any other off character. Just have 1 person on the senate propose him to have war time powers. Plot continues.

>Disney Star Wars will be modern movies
They are modern movies. They take the well beaten path and put out a safe movie that merchendises well and appeals to all types of movie goers while destroying the hopes of actual fans. We see this with all the hero movies and sequels upon sequels of bad films. It works so why change it?

We just gotta hope that somehow its really good 1/100 times.

Has pic related ever been involved in anything that wasn't a blatant money grab? Ever? In his whole life?

His job is to turn nostalgia into short-term profits.

> The Force Awakens
Ripoff of A New Hope

> The Last Jedi
Ripoff of Empire Strikes Back

> Episode IX
????????

But he wasn't even involved in the making of TLA(the last jedi)

Exactly, Rian Johnson killed what could have been an amazing sequel. but instead what we got was a jumbled mess. Its like Rian was like,
"oh han solo can die? well then lets just kill main characters without a legitimate reason why and while we're at it lets add fucking porgs cause money"

I was really into super hero movies near their beginning. X-men 1 and 2, Spiderman 1 and 2, Blade 1 and 2. There was some awesome stuff there.

Then it fell apart because every subsequent movie needed more villains, bigger villains, more special effects, bigger explosions. Basically everything I dislike they went full retard on. X-men 3, Spiderman 3, the Hulk movies. All that shit came out around the same time and I decided I had enough.

Recently gave an Avengers movie a chance, but it was a tension-less and pointless series of fights and explosions that I didn't care about at all.

Executive producer.

This, the original trilogy was great in spite of Lucas, not because of him. The studios took control of each project because he kept making poor choices and famously doesn't know how to direct at all. It put him in that famously pissy mood, but the studio put up so much fucking money they sure as shit weren't going to let some mopey weirdo make gang solo a green bug eyed monster and Luke a mopey pussy whose friends ridiculed him etc etc etc. They brought old sometimes retired film vets out of cold storage to shoot it like a grand 1960s epic. Like automotive design and pre-war product designers, those people are all dead and gone, and took their expertise with them, replaced by a generation of interchangeable, uninspired, technically-minded specialists all educated by the same fucking curriculum, producing a film industry cranking out a maximum number of sterile, bland films of minimal quality.

>> The Last Jedi
>Ripoff of Empire Strikes Back
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed this. Rebels escaping their base from the empire. Hmm... wonder where that last happened.

He was though. His production company is always heavily, heavily involved in these projects even when he's not at the helm. Look it up.

It's why Star Trek Discovery is also total shit.

there's no way Chewy survived

the Falcon was obliterated

The battle at the end was basically Hoth: the remake. It's fucking blatant.

but its Hoth with salt.
cant forget its a salt planet.

Lucas's lack of directing/writing is pretty evident in 1-3. If you look at the cast, it was pretty fucking stacked.
>Liam Neeson
>Ewan McGregor
>Natalie Portman

Actors can't do much if there is no direction, terrible plot, and cringey lines.

ha ha yeah it was funny because nobody has original ideas anymore

>gotta please that chinese market. They will pay big bucks if one of their own is in it. Just like the new flash.
Lol. It's subliminal message. Disney is racist and they just pinned minority with minority. They not going to choose a caucasian female as a love interest.

There is a differnce between paying homage and blatantly ripping off. Guess star killer 2 with porgs attacking the shield generator is on for 9?

>main characters without a legitimate reason why
Luke could come back more powerful like Kenobe(sp?).

I don't need em. I have Harry's despecialized 4,5&6, and that's all I really care for. I like being able to see another new movie every year, but it's like, seeing a new up & coming band cover a zeppelin song every year. Nice, yet obviously not the original real thing, but then it never can be, so Ill enjoy seeing them in the theatre for the odd scene or 2, like the old buck rodgers serials, they'd play at matinees, a few had some great parts, most were eh, and some were crap, but it doesn't really matter, they're not art, they're product. If I wanted to see a great trilogy, I'd just watch the originals, which I still do a couple times a year for old times sake. Still fuckin wonderful.

When the fuck us the new west world season coming out already, fuuuuck

If your whole movie is nothing but "homage" with no original ideas, no character, no plot, no soul, but with the addition of schlocky shiny camera work, then you're blatantly ripping off to extract profits from retards.

/ Thread. George Lucas is finally getting the feedback he deserved for the prequels.

Yeah he had total creative control over 1, 2 & 3 riding on his fame, only to find out that he still didn't know how to put a fucking story together or direct anyone, much less write dialogue anyone would actually speak. ...or listen to.

yeah, that isn't homage, that is just ripping off.

Rogue One though

look, I'm not mad at Luke's death. infact I know he'll return in the next movie. But why kill snoke and Phasma like that? they where hyping both of them up as huge characters? its a real disappointment.

The prequels had worse acting, directing, and writing but a better overall story than the sequels.

>The Chancellor grabbing power politically...
>Creating the clones war by backing both sides so the republic grants him more power...
>This all underneath the Jedi...
>The arrogance of the Jedi being their downfall...
>Anakin falling to the Dark Side partially he didn't want to lose Padme and partially because the Jedi didn't trust him and used him...
>The Chancellor/Emperor seducing Anakin to the Dark Side using both Padme and his frustration with the Jedi

This are all great story elements that add to the original trilogy. They executed it very poorly with the writing, directing, and acting, but the story was excellent.

The Sequels just rehashed the original trilogy right down to the same characters. They wanted to reset everything back to A New Hope because Nostalgia and to be safe. They wanted more original trilogy and less original ideas because everyone loved the original trilogy

Rey = Luke
Luke = Obi Wan
Starkiller Base = Death Star
Han is back to smuggling
Leia is back to fighting the Empire (First Order)
and more...

The problem with this is that is doesn't advance the overall story. The victory in Return of the Jedi is null and void because everyone went back to their original places. This sequel trilogy is pretty much a soft reboot... same story but worse.

The Force Awakens = A New Hope
The Last Jedi = Empire Strikes Back

Was shit, TFA was shit too so don't feel too bad it's really Hard Jar Abrams fault. He made a good action movie, but not a good star wars movie.

Just like he made a good action movie out of star trek, but not a good star trek movie

Also does no one else have a problem with the director of star trek doing a star wars movie!?!? Isn't that some sort of serious offence?!?!

>The victory in Return of the Jedi is null and void
This is the worst part about 7 and 8. Just like 1-3, it actively ruins the original trilogy if one considers it all the same timeline.

I'm getting on board with just using Rogue One and 4-6 as the only movies and then continue on with expanded universe.

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>He made a good action movie

But only in the sense that videotaping a normal, meaningless day in the life of a psychotic on cocaine would technically be an "action" movie.

>I'm getting on board with just using Rogue One and 4-6 as the only movies and then continue on with expanded universe.

This is the correct answer.

But rogue one sucked ass

Because the prequels were utterly amazing and every original trilogy goober created a filter of inferiority to every other fan who wasn't intelligent to admire Lucas work, now that this shit stain of a movie came out you can truly admire the beauty of the prequel trilogy

He claimed that he had had the concept of a primitive race beating advanced technology, and that he originally planned to have that race be the Wookies. However, Chewbacca seemed too intelligent and advanced to fit his bill, so he created the ewoks to take their place.

Soooo much this

>director of star trek doing a star wars movie
Well since both are just action movies at their basest, then it doesn't matter. Just change the names of the ships and people and do the same thing over and over.

I stopped seeing michael bay style action movies when I was 16 because I figured out it was all the same shit and explosions were no longer the most important thing in my life.

I'll see 1 or 2 films a year now, usually well reviewed ones so I don't waste time/money.

Kill Snoke and Phasma? Hug & someone else will take their place.

I personnally find it to be the only film outside of 4-6 that is worth ever rewatching. The rest are some combo of meaningless, stupid, and just bad.

>luke is dead from expending all his energy in the force
This whole concept seems flawed. The force is supposed to strengthen the jedi. Since when does it suck power from your life energy? And how did Yoda live so long if that was the case, keeping in mind that Luke was supposed to be more powerful than Yoda.

If it was a bunch of wookies, then it seems likely the empire loses that battle. Those guys are pretty good fighters. I can understand wanting to tone it done (and merchandise that shit)

Not arguing with you that the others are shit, just pointing out that rogue one is particularly shitty in that the directors made it about a "multicultural group that aims to take down the white supremacist Empire" and that's pretty much a direct quote from the cuck directors

You're arguing against people literally using the "it's magic, I don't have to explain it" argument. Let it go. You won't convince them.

I wonder what you people will bitch about in the Han movie?

Why did the lightsaber in the force awakens have imbued memories in it?

Because the writer/director of the film doesn't give a shit about consistency within the film's universe and just makes up shit on the go to make it work. Problem is there are more plot holes in the last 3 movies than the rest combined.

Honestly the plot holes alone should sink this ship.

Like Rey using force persuade after only using a lightsaber for like what 24 hours?

I won't watch it since I already know it's shit