I genuinely think that The Last Jedi might be the best star wars movie ever made

I genuinely think that The Last Jedi might be the best star wars movie ever made.
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This is the first SW movie to actually be more than just a perfect story, finally showing flaws in characters and expanding on the universe in a main series movie.
I'm dead serious.

Phantom Menace was way better

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There were about a few dozen or so plotholes, with a bunch of other retarded bullshit heaped up on top. Like Leia using the force. Poe's plan being thwarted by a cowardly purple haired throwaway character. Snoke getting killed off without a backstory, and the only living character from the OT is played by an actress who is dead IRL while Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford are still alive.
Bonus:
>force projects himself to fake a fight as a distraction
>dies anyway
There's nothing Kino about that shit at all. R1 was a side story yet it's infinitely better.

I thought it was the worst though I haven't seen Rogue One

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Rouge one was ballin with a kickass Vader fight scene and desperate suicide plans that barely worked setting the opening to A New Hope seamlessly.

It isn't a naive black and white flick of good vs bad, it has some surprising depth.
It made the hardcore mindless fan think and that's a bad thing, their little brains overheated, hence the hate.
I think it's one of the best of the lot, although Star Wars is not the best in cinema by far anyway

>see soldiers starting a mutiny and all she has to do is tell them my plan, doesnt tell them just cause
>Poe leads a successful mission and destroys a dreadnaught, Leia is mad because a few soldiers died
>Purple bitch plans to an hero anyways, but doesnt suicide bomb immediately causing dozens of resistance fighters to be killed
>Snoke is apparently the most powerful force user to ever exist on the dark side. So powerful that he can host a psychic link between people. Cant detect a rusty old lightsaber being rattled towards him by someone whos mind he is literally currently inside of
>Luke tricks Kylo into thinking he can kill him, the power needed to pull the trick kills him
>Rei and Kylo have a tough fight with Snoke's guards. They are the two most powerful force users in the galaxy (Snoke is dead and Luke is technically disconnected from the Force at this point). Neither of them use force powers during the whole fight

These are just a few of the pot holes that were so obvious I could easily recall them off the top of my head. The writing in this movie was 3/10, and thats being generous.

She doesn't have to explain anything, she's the brass. Authority does not explain itself.
Leia is mad about Poe losing all their bomber corps.
Ren actually tricks Snoke. Being a badass force user doesn't make you automatically perspicacious.
Luke was trying to hold Ren off the whole time
Vader never used force powers either except for lightsaber throw.

Not bad writing, bad understanding.

But
>Han solo dead, Harrison ford lives
>Luke skywalker dead, Mark Hamill lives
>Carrie Fisher is fucking dead but for some reason Leia Solo is alive?
Seems almost deliberate in its fuckery.

dude that isn't even a genuine argument. was it intentional or something? besides they did R1 with peter cushing who was long dead, they can finish IX without carrie fisher
so what, should we go and kill mark hamill?

So what?
Yoda's been dead for decades, he still showed up.
Lando Calrissian survived, and Billy Dee Williams is still alive, but he didn't show up.

It's definitely 10/10. Though still think IV is tops.

Bad writing causes bad understanding. If you need to do mental gymnastics to explain why something makes sense to begin with instead of just being a smart move, it's not very well written. Unless everyone in the movie is supposed to appear incompetent, they failed.
Do you remember Kylo telling Rey that they weren't even remotely related to each other? That really needed to be said by Kylo?

How long have you been on puberty blockers?

The real question is which beloved character will die in ep 9.
No one would really cry if C3P0 died, gotta be either R2 or Chewie. Probably both.

Best new Star Wars movie for sure, but still IV is the best. Especially for anyone who saw it as a young boy in the theatre, like me. :) It was so incredibly different from anything...

What mental gymnastics? Most of the plot points are driven almost childishly so a teenager audience can get it without paying atention to any subtleties. Leia literally tells Poe what she's mad about, Snoke literally speaks out loud so you can understand what train of thought he's following that he's tricked by, and the rebels actually very literally state that Luke is there to gain them the time to escape. You're just retarded dude.

>A New Hope
>Better than Empire Strikes Back

Highly unlikely...

Why are you a fucking retard with horrible taste?

>suprising depth

Cruisers need "Space Fuel" like Naboo needed "Space Supplies"
no compelling characters
Comedy porgs, comedy porgs everwhere
Snoke becomes Generic Evil Movie Villian #235178
Rey with no training can curb stomp the Last Jedi©
Luke becomes generic emo hero and dies
Leia has becomes Jedi Super Saiyan
30 minute meaningless side plot chase scene with super hacker who dies to give Asian grll and Storm-nigger something to do
Hey! Lets use a cruiser as a suicide car bomb....too bad we never though of doing that before...you know death star and all

I liked TPM much more.

How much do you get payed in disability pay by the state?

why would anyone ask you something if THATS your opinion.

Seriously no one gives a shit about it.

Actually the only plot hole was the cruiser thing, since they stated in IV that you can't hyperjump without the GO from a computer that calculates crash routes. The rest is just you teenagers trying to be that hipster dude that needs to hate the mainstream to feel like a cool boi

Episode 9 will start with a funeral for Leia's death which will be explained with the scrolling text

quote me

I'll be completely honest, these movies would have been better with old canon where we had Jacen Jaina and Anakin Solo training under Luke. The new cannon just fucks with everything that was established.

that's the fucking idea man
expanded universe was neckbeard universe and I for one am VERY glad it's back in the hell pit it never should have crawled out of

This!!!
Hahaha, answers every single 'plot hole' from 754250697...
This proves you wouldn't understand a great movie if you saw one! Ya burnt!!! Fuckhead

>She doesn't have to explain anything, she's the brass. Authority does not explain itself.
And by doing this she caused a mutiny and the crew trying to take matters into her own hands. What a genius commander.

>Leia is mad about Poe losing all their bomber corps.
It is established after the casino shitshow that they sell ships and weapons to the resistance too. They can get more bombers. In the moment, giving up a couple bombers for the biggest of big targets in the FO fleet is an objective worthy sacrifice.

>Ren actually tricks Snoke. Being a badass force user doesn't make you automatically perspicacious.
He isn't just a badass force user. He is set up as the most powerful force user to ever turn to the dark side. And he clearly has some telepathic powers. This whole "oh well the moody emo guy tricked him by not thinking about what he's doing" is nonsense.

>Luke was trying to hold Ren off the whole time
Thats not the point. Instead of going there and sacrificing himself to support the resistance retreat becoming a martyr to inspire the new resistance that will rise, he died alone on a planet by having a force orgasm.

>Vader never used force powers either except for lightsaber throw.
Do you really think pointing out retarded nerfs for sake of plot in the previous trilogies somehow justifies the retarded nerfs for the sake of plot in this one?

Like you said, some people have bad understanding.

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thanks dude
>but inb4 samefag

>I bet you were waiting to post that lib-tard

I wish I was a smarmy teen or edgy 20-30 something, son.

I won't watch the new movies because they'll never be the ones I wanted. I wanted to see Luke as a bad ass Jedi taking down legions of Imperial soldiers by himself.

I wanted to see Leia reform the Republic. I wanted to see Han conflicted about trying to be a husband but still having a wanderlust.

But those movies will never happen.

wtf am i reading.

that still doesnt answer snokes back story you fucking retarded piece of shit.

> (You)
>>A New Hope
>>Better than Empire Strikes Back
>Highly unlikely...
But Luke blowing up the Death Star...c'mon. I remember that so clearly as a kid. Yeah, everyone seems to think V is better than IV, but that's not how my little kid brain remembers it. :)

Do you know how expensive that was? How big of an undertaking it was just to bring an actor back from the dead using computer CGI? Dude had a polygon count through the roof. They already did bring Leia's youth back to her face in the same movie. Though it'd make much more sense production wise to cut out the dead actor's character when it's not even required that they be there. You HAD to have peter crushing on the Death Star for R1 because he's commanding the Death Star during A New Hope. If they're just going to CGI in Leia for the next movie just because why have any actors for the film at all? Just CGI the whole thing. The director for R1 made much better use of his resources than the director for TLJ
There were several scenes that added very little to the story. As well as some strange characters who we're never going to see again: purple haired bitch and gay codecracker

>>Vader never used force powers either except for lightsaber throw.
>Do you really think pointing out retarded nerfs for sake of plot in the previous trilogies somehow justifies the retarded nerfs for the sake of plot in this one?

Vader totally used Force powers in his fight against Luke in ESB.
youtube.com/watch?v=lhX5V-wICuw

this movie was so bad that it made episode 3 and the force awakens look good

I think your 'mental gymnastics' is just other people's basic cognitive function. Sorry to be the one to tell you

Vader was force choking bitches all over the place and hucking all kinds of shit at Luke in Empire.

Watch the movies you trick ass nigga.

1. Characters have flaws. This is something basic from humanity that no Star Wars movie had ever grasped before. So that's actually a pro.
2. YEAH SO THEY CAN MAKE THAT PHONE CALL AND GET THOSE BOMBERS DELIVERED TO THE FLEEING FLEET RIGHT AWAY. I don't think you understand how weapons manufacturing works, man.
3. Again, powerful does not mean "unbeatably intelligent". The force does not give incredible intelligence. Of course you having a substandard one wouldn't understand how it works either. Anyway, THE MOST POWERFUL FORCE USER EVER has a character flaw that cost him his life. Again, this is a pro. No perfect, dramatic villain here, just a glorified human person.
4. So the point is whatever you decide it to be so you can be right? well we've seen that you're not a very intelligent person so let's let this one pass.
5. So what was good in the first trilogy isn't good in this one because you didn't like it? Ok.

So maybe next time you can ask Disney if they can subtitle the movie for the mentally impaired and maybe you can follow it.

While this is not a false statement, it does not mean it is an over all good movie.

I was 99% sure he did go farther than that, but I was making the point that even if it was true that he only used limited force powers in battle it was irrelevant.

this

I stand corrected on this one.
The fight still seemed pretty ok without the need for powers to me.

ITT: Fags that never actually watched the OT or Prequels and think TLJ was anything short of lazily written garbage served with a side salad of social justice.

>I won't watch the new movies because they'll never be the ones I wanted. I wanted to see Luke as a bad ass Jedi taking down legions of Imperial soldiers by himself.
>I wanted to see Leia reform the Republic. I wanted to see Han conflicted about trying to be a husband but still having a wanderlust.
>But those movies will never happen.
Yeah, I can understand that. But you could still enjoy the new movies...

The Adventures of Hobo Luke on Fuckoff Island

yeah i stole it fite me irl

This is what it boils down to.
>I had this fantasy and new movies are not just about my favorite characters doing the same thing over again and instead it's something differente that I don't understand and thus I hate it.
Manchilds.

If the theories of Snoke actually being Darth Plagieus are true, then he will most likely return in the IX movie.

>a side salad of social justice
What is in the movie about this?

dude is it even possible to not have seen the OT

But why would he need to? Kenobi was already a Force ghost, Yoda was too old and wouldn't have faced Vader anyway as that was Luke's destiny. He did use them against Luke, but more as a show of force (Force) and he didn't really want to kill Luke then. So who would Vader actually need to use Force powers against (aside from maybe the Emperor) when his skills with a lightsaber are more than up to the task. Also, I think he enjoyed it more.

>1. Characters have flaws. This is something basic from humanity that no Star Wars movie had ever grasped before. So that's actually a pro.
No this isn't flawed. This is literal inhuman thinking for the sake of a "haha she had a plan the ENTIRE time!!!111" reveal. She had NOTHING to gain by lying, but she put dozens of lives on the line (and lost many of them) by lying.
>2. YEAH SO THEY CAN MAKE THAT PHONE CALL AND GET THOSE BOMBERS DELIVERED TO THE FLEEING FLEET RIGHT AWAY. I don't think you understand how weapons manufacturing works, man.
As I said, in the moment. Hindsight is 20/20 so ofc you can say shit about it afterwards. Major backup did not become a problem until AFTER this and Leia's response.

>3. Again, powerful does not mean "unbeatably intelligent". The force does not give incredible intelligence. Anyway, THE MOST POWERFUL FORCE USER EVER has a character flaw that cost him his life. Again, this is a pro. No perfect, dramatic villain here, just a glorified human person.
The big bad not being special at all and dying an anticlimactic death after being built up as the biggest baddie to ever exist in the galaxy is a pro for you? Holy shit youre trying really hard with those mental gymnastics to suck Star Wars' dick huh

>4. So the point is whatever you decide it to be so you can be right?
This is such broken English I dont even know what the fuck youre trying to say, so this point has to be left unaddressed until you hop on Rosetta Stone for a bit

>5. So what was good in the first trilogy isn't good in this one because you didn't like it? Ok.
This wasnt said at all. I pointed out a plot hole, you said "b-but that plothole was in the original trilogy sometimes too!!111" This plothole occurring in the original trilogy is retarded writing, as it is in this trilogy too.

So maybe next time you can think about what youre watching instead of seeing pretty colors and cool explosions and going "ooohhh aaahhh"

GTFO.

I am honestly asking. I haven't watched the movie. If it is all SJW I don't want to give it money.

Not a high bar to clear, OP.

I haven't seen 8... but let's look at this logically...

Episode 4:
>One hit wonder, George got editors to help him re-edit the movie and make it great.
Here it is explained on video. youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk
The movie got an IMDb rating of: 8.7/10

Episode 5:
>Long movie, a lot happening, this is what made Star Wars a bigger success and wasn't even directed by George. And this movie got the highest rating of all the Star Wars movies.
IMDb: 8.8

Episode 6:
>Not a spectacular story. George directed this. Ties up loose ends. Completes the original saga. Great character development though.
IMDb: 8.4

Episode 1:
>A children's movie basically with a Star Wars title.
IMDb: 6.5

Episode 2:
>Long dragging story. Only about 1 good battle scene.
IMDb rating: 6.6

Episode 3:
>Completes the 2nd trilogy. Ties both stories together. Great character development. But still not that great of a rating.
IMDb: 7.6

Episode 7:
>A basic replica of Episode 4 trying to cash in on old glory. The same exact fucking story. And people at that shit up. Seems like they like the same thing rebranded. Disney, I guess, understands this and cashed in on it.
IMDb: 8.1


That's it....

So basically, this movie only had to surpass the 2nd movie of the first trilogy.

Then you do NOT want to see the film.

yeah it's all preachy SJW bullcrap

It's not all super SJW but there is some heavy handed girl power shit. Rian was definitely trying to show how masculinity is toxic but cucking Luke out.

There's entire fuck captialism subplot that has no purpose other than inflicting a fat ugly asian bitch that can't act on us for muh diversity.

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1. Again, it's how military works. Authority does not explain itself. Would you expect a general in a belic movie to explain their plan to a sergeant because the sergeant wants to go bomb something? Pinkhairdudette was a fucking admiral, dude.
2. So you think it would have been perfectly normal to not be mad at the loss of a valuable resource, while in a desperate situation, running for your life, since "you can always buy more later".
3. It's obvious that the big bad guy was going to be Kylo Ren all along. Snoke was just there to make faggots like you think there was going to be an emperor 2.0.
4. Just read a book or something dude. Complex sentences exist in your world.
5. Why not having powers shown was retarded writing? The scene was spectacular enough without them. You're not even making a point with this one.

this is all you need to know

1. Luke was already old
2. He cut himself away from the force
3. The strength he drained using his force abilities to project himself to Leia and then to the fight caused him to die.

Its better than the 7th and arguably better than the 3rd.

So having decent female characters is "heavy handed girl power shit"?

They couldn't have created a worse outfit for Dern. It is almost as though they are trying to highlight her physical strangeness to show how it doesn't matter if you are a giraffe you can be a strong wamen.

dude about point 1
she didn't lie, she just didn't explain to her soldiers
would you have expected kylo ren to stop and explain to the soldiers in his ship why he wanted all the firepower in the unit to be focused on a single man?
not to be a bitch but the other user is right on this one man

>Decent female characters

Yeah that's not what they had and you know it.

Yeah I know. No actual movie has decent female characters on it, to be honest. But honestly this was a decent try.

>1. Again, it's how military works. Authority does not explain itself. Would you expect a general in a belic movie to explain their plan to a sergeant because the sergeant wants to go bomb something? Pinkhairdudette was a fucking admiral, dude.
Yes, military leaders lie to their soldiers for no advantageous purpose then watch as they get rowdy and die because of their lie. That's definitely how the military works. "Let's cause our soldiers to mutiny and die just cuz!"

>2. So you think it would have been perfectly normal to not be mad at the loss of a valuable resource, while in a desperate situation, running for your life, since "you can always buy more later".
Again, major backup showing up was not a problem in the moment. They have access to more military resources and objectively won that skirmish.

>3. It's obvious that the big bad guy was going to be Kylo Ren all along. Snoke was just there to make faggots like you think there was going to be an emperor 2.0.
Then Snoke being there at all was to fill time at best. Just dying like that made him a pointless character. Thank you for agreeing that a useless character was there which is attributed to bad writing.

>5. Why not having powers shown was retarded writing? The scene was spectacular enough without them. You're not even making a point with this one.
The point is that each of them got into near death situations where they would have died without the help of the other when each of them could have just force pushed them away at the very least. Establishing that they have powerful force powers then conveniently forgetting about them to build suspense is lazy writing.

Like we get it. You want to shill for Star Wars because "muh childhood." Nobody is MAKING you argue retarded points, you can stop.

>But honestly this was a decent try.

No, it wasn't and you are using cheap bait.

The difference is Kylo's witholding of information had time sensitivity to it and got nobody killed as a direct result of it. Purplehairbitch's withholding of info directly led to FN and Rose going to get the code breaker which led to the resistance escape pods being found out about.

Sigourney Weaver in Aliens? Which is what I say when people ask why there aren't any good female lead characters in movies. There are some, it just doesn't need to be forced.

if a ship going into lightspeed can rip apart the ship, why not have the 3 other smaller ships transport the crew to the main ship and all three of them lightspeed into snoke's ship??

> perspicacious
Nigger you don't even know what this word means.

and get a droid to pilot, I know they said there had to be someone piloting it but there is no reason a droid can't do what a human does.

Ford and Hammil are still alive and can distance themselves from this garbage.

Unfortunately Fisher is trappedin SW forever.

1. Yes. And see which is a good point. A military leader would have ordered the soldier to fall in line and probably would have had the same effect on Poe. The bottom line was that he didn't trust her and she didn't want his trust, just his obedience, as is expected of a soldier.
2. The rebels were in a dire situation anyway, win or loss on that particular skirmish. They were barely 400 people. Those were heavy losses by any standard you want to look at it. And yes, it was a victory, but the demotion was well deserved.
3. It was a minor character, yes. Pointless, not as much. It was there to trick you, just as the Rey's parents thing. You overhyped yourself about something that was a smoke screen. That's not bad writing, it's low standards.
4. Glad that you have no comeback on this one. On complex, long sentences, I'd personally recommend Moby Dick from Herman Melville. Which is also about pursuing moot points to great lenghts, you might end up loving it.
5. Maybe. But again, battle scenes are in for spectacularity, and it's well established as well that they're both hotheads. It doesn't seem incoherent in the scene, but if you think you could do better, please apply to Disney immediately.

Don't forget to read a couple books first.

since chewie was the one to die in the EU that they brazenly replaced with han, i think he won't die. they'll kill of leia because of carrie fisher's cocaine heart attack. then who the fuck knows. maybe finn and kylo will finally fuck

I liked the movie too in general. The casino shit seemed contrived to give finn's black ass something to do.

I know that Star wars has never treated space physics with any respect but the cruiser staying just out of range (because constant thrust equals constant velocity hur dur) but the biggest thing about the chase that bothered me was the ballistic arc of the shots from snoke's ship to the rebel cruiser. WTF seriously.

Disney will probably cut out most of the remaining characters, have some new additions in 9. Then in a few years announce even more movies.

> $$$ profit

This fucked up a bunch of stuff from lore perspective too. Hyperspace had always been this sort of other plane where you can circumnavigate anything between point A and B, but not the things along the way are an issue. Well why don't ships hit planets/stars/comets along their lightspeed routes then? Do they really jerk all around at the speed of light to avoid massive obstacles? Why not just buy the smallest ships with lightspeed drives and use them as kinetic cannons? Ofc, next episode they will forget about this completely because it would be the magic solution for EVERYTHING. Dreadnaught? Lightspeed battering ram. New Death Star? Lightspeed battering ram. Kylo Ren too powerful? Lightspeed battering ram.

It was. It's just my opinion. You don't like it, go fuck yourself with yours.

She didn't know about their plan. She couldn't have acted on it.

That's the reason I said "actual". Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor and the original Princess Leia are all from the 70s-80s.

I agree with you whole heartedly.

Wrong on your second and third points.

Oops my bad, I mean most of original remaing characters

Leia = super-mega-jedi
Luke = super-mega-cuck

Fat asian bitch = brave and infallible.
FN = cowardly and feckless(until he got brave just so FAB could save him from his stupidity)

PurpleDern = Master general--so brave and stunning
Poe = Raging psycho who almost gets everyone killed because muh masculinity

Yeah...no agenda here.

Identity politics destroys everything.

Can't wait to see how well IX does after Rian virtue signaled for 2 1/2 hours and there's no Luke to draw people in.

good one bud, let's hear some more zingers

Found the SJW. The whining gives away their position.

Oh so a company making profit out of an IP they bought is bad because...?

I walked out in the middle.

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>She didn't know about their plan. She couldn't have acted on it.
The point that there was literally nothing to gain but doubt from her soldiers by withholding the pretty basic information of their fucking plan still remains.

Actually the joke is on you all who are raging about the movie but paid to see it.

. Characters have flaws. This is some
Rey is literally a Mary Sue who can do anything from flying a Corellian Freighter to winning a lightsaber duel against a known Jedi killer with absolutely no training. Your argument makes no sense.

>That's the reason I said "actual". Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor and the original Princess Leia are all from the 70s-80s.
What about Emily Blunt in Edge of Tomorrow?