Is basic income the solution to technological unemployment?

is basic income the solution to technological unemployment?

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No

Well if you think so, make an argument for it.
Asking leading questions won't get you far.

After basic income:
>sloth
>greed
>entitlement
>degeneracy

Sup Forums is going to storm your post very shortly, I'm sure, but the short answer to your question is it is one of many solutions, and could be very useful if used properly.

Sidebar, but I dislike this graphic because money to live isn't on the person on the right at all, which is fairly misleading. No one is talking about giving someone $75,000 a year. This would be enough to have a place to live, food to eat, etc. It would not support almost any hobby, taken half-way seriously.

>not owning a business
>not increasing your worth
>wage slave
stay poor

>Meet people
This isn't a reason to work, you can socialize outside of McDonalds bra
>Help Community
This doesn't apply in a post multicultural world.
There is no such thing as group cohesion and a sense of community in a multicultural socieity.
>Enjoyment
Then it's not work is it?
>Self Improve
So you want to do something for a week then quit.
Dank.

With a "basic income" 90% of people won't work, and therefore the entire system will collapse. Work must be compulsory under a socialist state, and then it's just communism isn't it?

>I am incapable of responding to something addressing a current issue without resorting to morality tales that are thousand of years old.

Doesn't matter what anyone's philosophy is toward it. It's going to become an inevitable necessity. No matter how much you change the job market and try to adapt it, there will eventually be enough automation that the world can't sustain the potential workers. That means either make jobs do much much less, make a ton of fake jobs, or this. Yes, you'll have lazy fucks who just sit back and do nothing, but the other side of the coin is that people who would like to do good things, that get criminally underpaid for wanting to do good in the world, will do it. If you ensure that the basic income is enough to really just cover a very very basic life, people will still want to do more to improve that.

What kind of total shitter must you be to live in a first-world country and still need something like UBI to get on your feet?

Just fucking die already. There's 7,600,000,000 people in the world. If you can't figure out how to be meaningful, you aren't needed.

ITT middle class mental midgets think we're 1000 years farther into the future than we are.
Newsflash, 99.99% of labor is done with human hands (Graphic designers and prgramers don;t keep society functioning, tradesman and unskilled laborers do). There is plenty of work out there, way more jobs than people, you prideful narcissists just think you're above working with your hands. Universal basic income AKA communism will ONLY work once ALL labor is robotized. so at best, a couple hundred years. Until then, people need to be insensitivized to do shitty things, because artists and intellectuals don't put food on the table or keep the electricity on.

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lol ubi is pretty fucking far from communism, not that someone as high and mighty as yourself can be bothered with something trite like details.

You think niggers have even a slight want to improve or help the community? Ha, you silly nigger.

Once you remove artificial importance, as time goes by, the average person simply won't be important or have much opportunity to. It's just math. The more we automate and the more we really only have an absolute need for a relative handful of people to monitor and maintain the automation, any other importance is simply in the realm of things that would just be nice to have. Entertainment, arts, sciences geared toward understanding rather than practical applications, etc. This isn't a matter of opinion any more than boiling water leads to less water in the pot. Argue the merits all you want. It's simply inevitable.

>he thinks technology improves on a linear scale

I agree with all your points but one. community is very much a thing. Clearly you have not engaged in yours, or you would know better

Truth is this would probably just finally show the world how lazy and useless they are when they all end up on it.

1000 years ? You kidding me? I think this will become a pressing issue within the next 30 years at the rate technology is advancing.

you dense motherfucker, one does not "end up on it". It's called UNIVERSAL basic income

I'm still waiting to hear about where all this fantasy money is going to come from to pay for ubi when nobody is working or producing.

>basic income
kaboom inflation

I went for a majority of my 20s making maybe 700 bucks a month if I was lucky. I finished college at 27 and I'm now 28 and make 50k a year. I'm not rich by ANY MEANS (obviously), but being a single dude with no kids makes 50k go a loooong ways. I feel much happier not having to worry about spending too much on food at the grocery store. Really just something as simple as knowing I can spend an extra dollar fifty on toilet paper that doesn't rub my ass raw is a blessing. Before I'd penny pinch and say to myself, "That extra $1.50 could go to parking later so I better save".

Having money I can go out more often and do more things without having to worry about small things. Stressing over money is the fucking worst.

UBI IS communism. Resources pooled and re-distributed with no regard for worthiness or usefulness.
Not a response. But try harder to sound intelligent, by subtly insinuation we're going to wake up tomorrow with servile AI doing everything for us.

UBI means the guys who bang nails on a construction site for 15$ an hour don;t go to work anymore, truck drivers making 16-17$ an hour park their trucks. A few days later the grocery stores are empty and the lights are flickering.
Now if you have a counter to my point that UBI only works in a society where human labor has absolutely no value go for it, but don;t kid yourself into thinking that everyone "just got to pursue their real desires" things would just magically be awesome. Nobodies inner desire is to clean sewers, but if they don't hello an epidemic.

no one properly understands how to prevent inflation. If you have some newfound economic theory that lays it bare for us all to see, then by all means, please show the class.

Read the context. The meaning is that they'd end up the ones living entirely on it.

Then you're young or sit at a desk.
Almost nothing is automated, and automation is so fucking far from being able to anything but small simple actions in a static area is funny.
In 30 years almost nothing will be different than it is now as far as labor goes.

I wish I lived during the time of UBI. I'd be able to enjoy my life without sweating fucking bullets daily.

communism, noun: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

This is strictly about money. Private property is still very much a thing.

Nice try, but a protip is try to stay awake for the whole class next time you take political science, not just the first five minutes.

All the jobs that aren't automated but still only require basic skills are vanishing from the country, Yes, one day it'll be robots. But long before that a UBI will be needed because not everyone can be a white collar executive.

try basic income in a trailer park faggot. those cheap bastards won't leave, they'll just have super fancy trailers and smoke good weed.

Any entry level economist understands perfectly potential sources of inflation, and UBI is a guaranteed over-night economic collapse, just like a massive minimum wage hike would be.
It simple fucking math.
Farmer pays farmhand 11$ an hour, sells corn at 1$ an ear.
Farmhand gets UBI, doesn't go to work.
Farmer must sell corn to keep people fed, or take UBI and everyone starves.
Farmer must pay farmhand 50$ an hour to convince him to work.
Ear of corn now costs 5$ an ear.
UBI goes up to compensate for 5$ corn.
farmer must pay farmhand 100$ an hour to convince him to work.
Rinse, repeat.

Inflation will happen regardless. UBI will speed it up. People with no money skills will be as wasteful as ever, buying stupid crap they don't even need for premium prices, because hey, money grows on trees now so why bother saving.

None are vanishing. This is a complete and utter myth. Actually physically go to any industrial setting, factory, anything, nothing is automated. The closest thing to automation is CNC equipment, that still requires operators loaders/unloaders. Vanishing jobs are due to outsourcing to third world labor, not automation.

>insensitivized

>when you don't have an argument, so you just lose the game

There are already places in the US where certain communities get what is functionally a basic income, funded by collectively owned business assets. Indian reservations with casinos.

Of course, said places are still pretty shitty, and, more importantly for this discussion, end up having hiring non-tribe members to work at the casino & businesses since so few of the indians bother working when they can get tribal income . That leads me to believe that ubi wouldn't work for the nation as a whole.

That's literally what I said. They are vanishing from the COUNTRY. Anything industrial that isn't gone already will be within a generation. You can babble about skilled laborers but you can't employ even a fraction of the displaced former industrial workers with that. Just explain where the huge chunk of people who were employed in production will work other than bullshit McJobs that are already fucking over people who are willing to work and deserve better. Don't give me that "go to school or get more training for more advanced tech jobs" bullshit either. That's also a massive bottleneck.

>have UBI
>niggers still won't pay child support

Why cant you improve, meet people, enjoy yourself, and help the community, and make money at the same time?

Unless you have a shitty unskilled job its hard to not do all at once.

So the solution to foreign sweat shops is UBI, so collectively committing suicide? Resources don't just appear out of thin air, so who is producing the goods that we'll consume and why would they just literally hand them over?
A more sensible solution is regulate the sale of foreign made goods, stop letting fucking china basically use slave labor to sabotage western democracies. UBI isn't a solution to anything, it's literal collective suicide.

THe picture doesn't match his question, his question is ignorant communist trash, the picture is just the hierarchy of needs. It's pretty well established, if you don;t have survival covered, it's all you can focus on.

Currently work in nuclear power generation, and as far as i can see this field there will not be able to be fully automated for a long time. Pic is a nuclear grade valve

>any entry level economist
and i wager you are not one of these at all, so your point is dismissed as bias

Nah, my point is 100% accurate and nailed it, and unless you're the sultan of ancient egypt your point is dismissed as bias.

Yes, ideally we keep the jobs here. But that's some serious crack you're smoking if you think that ship hasn't already sailed. This is about viable solutions, not pipe dreams of "bringing our jobs back home."

Where's the play video games thought bubble?

Here is an interesting article on that;
ifstudies.org/blog/what-can-we-learn-from-native-americans-about-a-universal-basic-income

It turns out their tribal income gets spent on new trucks & junk food; very few use it to start a business or get an education.

basic income should be received for basic work

food service, mass retail, unskilled manual labor

no individual, let alone EVERY individual, should ever be, under ANY circumstances, entitled to any format of income on the backs of the taxpayer (including social security)

Why would people work if they get enough money to live semi comfortably, there is allready a system just like it called welfare most people who collect it are lazy nd refuse to work a shiity job becuase its "benith them" so they just end up Being welfare slaves nd a drain on ppl who work hard to pay for there hand out. I got a crazy idea why not get a job and make money if you dont want to then get fucked nd enjoy being poor

It'll be interesting to see what happens when jobs are associated with an increased social status more than they are with a tedious necessity for basic survival

ubi already tried, tested, and failed.

doesn't work, won't work, can't work.

only people still suggesting it are morons.

>technoLOGical

Says the guy supporting the proposal to just hand out money to everyone for nothing as if that'll do anything other than turn the west into africa.
The ship has sailed when china is elected president of the western world, until then anything can happen.
Regardless, the jobs being taken over-seas are the bottom of the barrel jobs, and people are adapting just fine. The people complaining about not being able to find a job are whiny simps who refuse to start over in a new industry, let em starve.

Social status won't have much value when it can't pay the bills after the dollar loses all of it's value.

>implying your point is true because it sounds good to you
>implying all economists agree without researching one
denied

LEAVE US ALONE

Yeah... won't it be great.

kinda like how niggers who live off of welfare do all those four things!

If by increased you mean decreased.
It already works that way. Turn on the TV, anyone who doesn't work in an office doing nothing useful is looked down upon like cattle.
Being something like a carpenter now adays is shameful as far as most people are concerned.

aLOGne??

>UBI only works in a society where human labor has absolutely no value

Exactly. This is the future we're facing with automation and robots. Those truck drivers will be replaced by automated trucks, perhaps with only 1 driver.

those construction workers have been replaced by robots creating prefabbed houses. The grocery stores are autostocked and self service.

UBI needs to be inevitable. Capitalism has done its job of finding the most efficient way to make money, but those who use it have forgotten to value humans over robots.

fuck off you communist
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WHY WONT YOU STOP

you have to have a job to get food stamps
you have to have a child to get welfare

which part of that sounds like a free ride to you
do you think children do not deserve basic necessities?

The delusion is strong with this one.

They already are. Unfortunately status and value of job are poorly correlated. In terms of keeping modern society possible probably the most important guys out there are the water treatment plant workers. But tell the girls you clean sewage and watch them come running.

This is true. Once the tractor was made, niggers had no way to get a job

why wont you LOG??

If we had a basic income, we could spend all our time on Sup Forums arguing against a basic income.

It would be great!

to 80% of jobs lost in the last 20 years lost to automation.
Might be a little quicker than you think.

ITS REALLY FUCKEN DUMB ITS WORSE THAN THE SHITTED SHOPS

OP a better question to ask would be "Could basic income be a solution for technological unemployment?"

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Also I believe you mean socialism and no it's not.

Not for a while though. We still have access to about 7 billion people to make my shit

I've been on this dumb site for years now. You'll eventually stop and some other fag shitposter will take your place

keep wasting your time

SHIT???poster???

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Topkek, good sir!

Soo a couple centuries from now, got it.
Trucks already only have one driver the majority of the time.
Groceries auto-stocking is laughably far away.
Construction workers have not been replaced at all.. pre-fabbed houses are made by people, not robots, not a single piece of pre-fabbed houses is automated.
You live in a fantasy world.

Citation needed, context, scale of study.

you're really reaching at this point..

Yeah but how about the US? All those people making your shit are somewhere else. Your shit isn't keeping very many 1st Worlders employed anymore.

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If this was an issue the aliens would have made machines instead of us to mine the gold in southern Africa.

Well it's either that or continue outsourcing jobs that would be automated if companies have to pay American minimum wage, or down right outlaw the technologies all together.

>hundreds of millions of stupid people willing to live their lives as wage slaves in support of a hundred-year-old isms written by people that shit in buckets and carried snot rags in their pockets.

fuck you i swear i'm going to find you and actually make you eat my caca

I receive about $425AUD disability allowance per week, i could live by myself on that

i dont have much hope that my health will improve, so i dont have to worry about money

Honestly, i wish i could work
i'm so bored, lonely, dead inside
im sick of youtube and vidya
i crave manual labour and the physical benefits of hard work

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>finding my i live

as if i really needed proof you are autistic

hard to type when i'm juggling all these logs in my mouth.

hopefully i dont have a key LOGger

Grow up

Logs like the peoplogs are on my side!

Why in the fuck would you people want to work such shity jobs anyway in what is supposed to be the greatest country on Earth?

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with the retards that think like this.

>hurr durr jobs jobs jobs I'm proud to have a city job and work my ass off 60 hours a week but I still respect rich people as the greatest people in this country even though they've never worked a day in their life and they're taking all the money that my work earns for them hurr durr!! And then hopefully my kids will be able to grow up to shovel shit for a living while management and the owners sit back and live The Good Life hur durr america number fucking one!!!

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Couple centuries?
It's true that society adapts slowly to tech but not that slowly

It's expected more than 60% of the workforce will be displaced by robo tech.

By single driver, I meant a single driver for an entire convoy of dozens of trucks, vs a driver per truck.

Grocery autostocking is certainly possible with current tech. Some fast food places have no workers already, meaning the tech is available.

Construction workers haven't been replaced currently. But again, the tech is there for 3D printed houses.

You're a shortsighted fool.