X-wing > Dreadknot Rebel transport > 3 deathstars > snoke's capital ship Rey > Kylo > Snoke = Hugh Hefner > Poe > Finn > Chink > Phasma > Leia > Hucks > Luke The rebels are good because they care about animals and are ethnically diverse The first order is bad because they are white male nazis (the only good one is black)
The biggest pitfalls of the movie are that the main characters are: Pointless, meaningless, unimaginative, and most importantly not Star Wars. The movie is beautiful to look at but very poorly written with too many plot holes.
Luke: They ruined Luke with this movie. Has no level of mastery with the force. He is a coward waiting to die, defeated on an island which had great significance in the previous movie. Why would there be a map to his location if he never wanted to be found? Luke tried to save the galaxy from the most evil man in the universe (his father) because he believed there was still good in him. WHAT THE FUCK IS HE DOING TRYING TO ASSASSINATE HIS NEPHEW!? They undermined his force abilities in the final scene. They could of done something epic but they made him die the little bitch he was the entire movie.
Snoke: From what we can see, snoke's training is equally as meaningless as Luke's. He tries to complete kylos training by killing Rey which mirrors anakins execution of dooku. We never know where this guy is from. He's seemingly omnipotent yet kylo vibrates the lightsaber on his metal chair and stabs him in the kidney. A pointless death to a pointless character which unfortunately had potential.
Purple Haired Bitch: This scum of a leader is at the forefront of plot holes for this movie. She kamikazes the rebel transport into snoke's capital ship... This absolutely destroys Star Wars lore because it circumvents all the cool technology previously seen most importantly all the Death Stars . Why doesn't the empire, first order, not just program droids to kamikaze into cities, planets, ships, etc, at light speed? Why couldn't the first order ships close the distance? Also if she were to just explain the plan, 1/2 of the movie wouldn't have happened. The entire space battle was poorly thought out. I guess this is what happens when u have another pointless female leader...
Rey: If the plot needs it she's got it. Uninteresting character with no motivation other than the fact that her parents are drunks. Yep. She's not a kenobi. She's not a sky walker. She's a fucking nobody. Which is absolutely fine but when you can beat kylo ren and royal guards in a lightsaber fight with no experience and zero training...no fuck you Disney that sucks.
Kylo: Arguably the most interesting character only hampered by the fact that they don't want him to be his own character. Disney wants him to be the next Darth Vader.
Leia: She becomes Mary Poppins. (In the same scene General Akbar is killed whimsically)
Yoda: Hilarious cgi, doesn't talk like yoda, and gives terrible advice from the afterlife. He lightning bolts a tree with ancient knowledge because Rey already knows everything the books contain....clearly...
Poe: He's the ex machina and the savior which miraculously defeats anything in his path including a Dreadknot with his faithful companion bb8 and his rusty x wing. (In the same scene gravity applies to space bombs) K
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Finn: Pointless character in a love triangle between Rey and his chink girlfriend that sacrificed herself so that he wouldn't sacrifice himself to save the rebels....WHAT? Oh btw this janitor kills Phasma after the entire hangar is blown and kills an entire battalion. Leaving only the main characters alive....to fight...for the death....bye Phasma!
Chink: Why are you in this movie? Fuck you. The casino planet was completely pointless, didn't feel like Star Wars, and detract from the entire plot. The movie came to a screeching halt.
General Hucks: Nazi comedic relief
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Jayden Garcia
Perfectly composted thread OP, you have my respect.
Jack Moore
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Henry Martin
>when you can beat kylo ren and royal guards in a lightsaber fight with no experience and zero training...no fuck you Disney that sucks. yes
Ayden Butler
Dreadnaught you cunt be respectful
Gabriel Barnes
If only the movie was as cohesive.
Jonathan Nguyen
>has no level of mastery of the force
HE FUCKING PROJECTED HIMSELF ACROSS THE GALAXY WHICH HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
Ayden Evans
Rey was created by the force as a counterbalance to Kylo. It's also believed Snoke was created by the force as a counterbalance to Luke after Luke killed the emperor and turned Vader back to the light side.
They're interesting theories because TLJ didn't answer shit for us, just added more questions.
Cameron Morales
Let's just agree to call it what it truly is, a failure.
Leo Myers
You sound just like Been Shapiro..
Xavier Gonzalez
What we take away from this is that the force is a tremendous asshole.
Christian Rivera
He hologramed himself. How epic. I understand it pays homage to obiwan in the original trilogy but it just further sealed the deal on how much of a worthless coward sack of shit they made Luke.
Gavin Evans
Let me guess. You're one of those tumblr/reddit user that wasted a year of your life arguing over every thread, forum and online space you found, talking about Rey Kenobi, Snork is Jar Jar, the Grey Jedis and so.
And you got trolled so hard than your anus is still bleeding
Asher Parker
I'm not OP. But maybe you don't like stories that don't fall apart when you think about them for 2 seconds. If you're satisfied with a movie that's nothing more than some pretty visuals and subpar jokes, great. But don't bitch because that's not enough for somebody else.
Seeing as you know all the terms I can only assume ur talking about yourself. I've watched all 8 movies and rogue one if ur wondering.
Carson Taylor
Or maybe you're unable to move on and see things far beyond your own stupidity. Maybe you're unable to understand the subtext, but, I only guessing here.
David Gray
I watched all of them; even watched Jedi on theaters when they released the original film
James Peterson
cum-guzzling Pokemon fan detected
Julian Ross
Maybe. Explain the subtext to me. I'm clearly too stupid to understand, oh great movie god.
Jackson Long
Their were training scenes with Luke and Rei but they cut them. Also, kylo could kill snoke because snoke had been trick into thinking that Kylo was going to execute two, hence why he didn't sense it. Another addition the light speed kamikaze has been seen before
Gabriel Sullivan
Kek, only seen the main movies, get out normie
Charles Robinson
The criticism is in the final release. If they cut things vital to the film to give Finn and the Chink a romantic casino adventure, they fucked up. You are correct that they've smashed ships with one another, but never at light speed. The damage on the first order's fleet was catastrophic. There's no reason to have a deathstar that can blow up planets if u can ram a droid at light speed into a city.
Owen Garcia
Sup Forums is the most autistic board, just look at this bait thread, people will fall for anything
Aiden Watson
>Coward He just realized that his father was right. The Jedi weren't this bastion of good that everyone thought and they led to the downfall of an entire civilization because they were so narrow-minded and controlling. It's only natural that people would be force sensitive and learn to wield it in their own way, rather than some rigid training, since it's A FORCE OF NATURE, not some martial art. The whole of the Jedi religion mainly borrows from Taoism, but the followers all fail to understand what balance truly is. Only Qui-Gon Jinn seemed to understand that his way was actually right, and routinely didn't succumb to the politics and failings of the Jedi McMasters. Yoda took ages to realize this and only when he was old and dying was he truly able to come to terms with the fact that the force is greater than his ego.
That you misrepresent the entire movie into some political statement speaks volumes as to how little you paid attention, and how little you understood about what's happening. The force isn't a "power" to be wielded, it's more than that. No amount of "training" will make one user better than someone that truly understands what the force is. You're still stuck on the "lifting rocks and controlling minds" thought process, which was not at all correct, and the only reason the masters wanted to FORCE THEIR CONTROL OF IT, even indirectly through preventing the knowledge of the unindoctrinated. That's still the "dark side", in a sense, because they're still tempted by the power they hold over the force.
Jonathan Rodriguez
Planets are not the same as ships, and yes they've done it before...
Jonathan Wood
>I've watched all 8 movies and rogue one if ur wondering You and a billion other people, do you think that's impressive?
Colton Flores
It's impressive enough to critique a movie. Apparently it's also as impressive enough to trigger people.
Adam Rivera
First off, is a good movie, not perfect, grass hopper. Had some serious issues about back story of some characters, some scene are unnecessary and Supleiaman was retarded AF, but that is it. People forgot the same complains can be made to Empire. Both movies have the same issues because both are middle trilogy movies.
People are complaining about the amount of jokes in the movie. Every fucking SW movie have a lot of jokes and humorous situations, even Rough One, the most serious film on the saga have a lot of them. People complains about the fucking physics on SW, and SW never cared about it. They complain about "the nonsensical plot/plot holes", but, what my nigga? Where is the sense in a movie where a farm boy, a pirate, a princess and a couple of droids fucks a space station and the farm boy blow up the moon size shit with a couple of fireworks? Is space opera, for god sake.
This movie is about failure and learning. Every fucking character on it fails in their goals. Poe fails as a capable leader and mostly fucked the Resistance thanks his reckless attitude. Leia realizes she fails as a mother for Kylo. Kylo fails so hard on everything that obviously Luke plan was not only give up his life for the sake of his friends, but deliver a killing blow to the mind of his nephew. Rey fails to understand her origins don't define her. Finn fails to live his own fame. The First Order fails to killing the Resistance and the Resistance fails to live his goals. Everyone fails. But the great failure is how Luke show up how the Jedis are the ones that failed the most. He teach us how The Force is about balance and union. Everything, good and evil, must exists for the sake of the balance. In the same moment Jedis begun to do fancy party tricks for their own hubris, they fucked the balance. Both, Luke and Yoda points out how the old order must die, Jedis must disappear.
Then, the second great theme is leave your past and move on. That is, my friend.
Nicholas Gonzalez
>Chink: Why are you in this movie? Fuck you. The casino planet was completely pointless
not pointless to many asian fans who are addicted to gambling.
Gavin Russell
too long to read. if you cant state your point in one sentence then go away.
Caleb Green
I havent even seen the movie yet and you are already making it seem worse than OP has made it out to be
Connor Ross
Friendly reminder that we don't have mara jade, force witches, thrawn empire, yusan vons xd
Xavier Perry
Jedis are the greatest failure on galaxy history. They broke the balance the Force needs. They fucked the galaxy and brings wars over wars because their egos and closed minded attitude about "I understand this shit most than you" blinded them about how the Force really is.
Jace Jenkins
the whole reason behind new star wars is word "porgs" (not "porkins") which is pronounced as "porkul" in Asia. this is same to MC universe comics this movie is about carrying fool, like superman with his bib girl
Thomas Lewis
I'd overlook the plot holes in a better movie, because I'd be enjoying myself enough to overlook them. I wasn't. But they are also no the main reasons I don't like the movie.
The difference with the jokes is that in (some) of the other movies, they're funny. BB8 having a coin shooter is retarded, as an aside.
As far as the characterizations you bring up, I think you're really reaching for some of them. Luke in particular, I don't buy as standing over his nephew's bed contemplating stabbing him in cold blood. And if they were trying to make me buy that, they should have shown the sequence of events that led up to it, shown exactly what Luke saw that scared him enough to do a character 180. The 1 or 2 lines of dialogue just aren't enough. That was the moment that truly killed the movie for me.
If you like it, fine. Enjoy yourself. But don't criticize me for not doing so.
Juan Thomas
Siths too by killing their masters for eternal life
Asher Peterson
This movie breaks down the archetypal roles of the originals. The reason to Star Wars success is attributed to the heros journey. This movie breaks the foundation in which Star Wars comes from because it isn't the same philosophy. It's adoption of a post modernist view leaves the viewer to answer the question of good and evil in a nihilistic way. At the end it doesn't matter, and the push and pull of the light and dark are unwieldy. It doesn't matter what side you choose because ultimately the force decides and corrects itself. It has nothing to do with the Jedi or Sith being right or wrong, although there's certainly a societal narrative Disney is trying to portray.
David Hall
Because is a movie. See it and take your own conclusions about it. The same shit happens with the original Blade Runner. If you don't like it, at least you will have genuine reasons to dislike it, not the internet rage of some Sup Forumsoy
Carter Martin
I'll take any and all of those things over what we got.
Bentley Murphy
I don't criticize you for don't like it. Is up to you and I respect your personal preferences. If I give you the sensation I was attacking you, my apologizes. But, I criticize the lack of some people over internet about the movie. Yeah, we both agree some scenes were stupid and unnecessary, mostly all the cassino shit was pointless. But, this pavement the way that RO deliver to us: There's not perfect true on this story, is a matter of perspective, as Obi told us. Rebels and Resistance were far of be perfects Heros. And SW always was about heros doing the good thing. This is a new brand direction, and can be pretty good or a total failure. We need to wait for the third movie and see.
Easton Bell
>Every fucking SW movie have a lot of jokes and humorous situations
