Is it true? Is Chelsea Wolfe the "princess of the gothic world"?

Is it true? Is Chelsea Wolfe the "princess of the gothic world"?

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Her first album was ok but she's gone totally mallgoth as of late

no it will forver be siouxsie

Syooksee is the best

Goth music is dead. Marilyn manson was the final nail in the coffin. Anything after that is just larping from late era millennials who think dressing up in a goth cosplay costume means you are goth and dont know who Bauhaus is.

And they dont even know the worst thing you can do if you are goth is say you are goth.

Marilyn Manson didn't even try to make goth music until Eat Me, Drink Me.

>Dark-punk's most overrated artist, Siouxsie has left behind very few compositions that deserve to be remembered. Most of her "music" was actually attitude, and therein lies her importance. She was an icon, and undoubtedly influenced bands worldwide. Goth-rock would not be a widespread phenomenon without her. But, unlike her model Nico, she was "only" an icon, and never a musician. Thanks to heavy promotion from major labels since the beginning of her career, she did achieve a bigger commercial success that the rest of dark-punk's emaciated ranks but at the expense of sacrifing whatever little originality her music had. If nothing else, the commercial scam helped give the genre some credibility with labels, which in turn materialized in a broader acceptance of gothic music worldwide. That is what Siouxsie will be remembered for.

the only way goth comes back is through a refreshing new take on it.
Something like folk goth or some shit.

I don't want goth to come back if it's not exactly like it was in the 80s.

Where were you when witch house was all over the place? That's as updated as goth can get.
As for your assumption that "folk goth" doesn't exist, I'll pretend I didn't read that.

This mentality is why it's dead.

Your mentality is why subcultures become parodies of themselves.
Let things die with dignity instead of wanting them to survive in name only.

She's a slightly better Evanescence bruv, that means never.

You high? Manson isn't goth and there's plenty of contemporary works of goth that stay true to the scene.

>come back
It never left.
Here's a 2017 release:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=CO5fB87ClzQ

>And they dont even know the worst thing you can do if you are goth is say you are goth.
Maybe within context but denying being a goth to keep some kind of cred is pretentious.

>witchhouse
>goth
Kys

Folkshit isn't trendy, it won't help goth "come back"

The only thing that's trendy in music right now is trap beats.

And Lil Peep does trap rap. And he calls himself goth.

So there you have it. Goth has already come back in the shape of Lil Peep, Melanie Martinez, XXXTentacion, Lil Pump, Lil Tracy and other such soundcloud emorappers.

>"b-but that's not goth that's just emo rap"

It's "a refreshing new take" on goth. And yeah it's total garbage that has nothing to do with what it's supposed to update, just like most "refreshing new takes" on pre-existing things.

Now do you want goth to come back or do you want it to be replaced by "refreshing new takes"?

Make up your fucking mind, are you a goth purist or do you want "goth" to be popular again?

It's time to get red pilled, you poseur faggots.

Dropping the bomb.
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Different guy, Goth purist. Spooky trap beats=/=goth

>asking indiehead hipsters to promote goth rock
There's no way this could possibly go wrong

Not that guy
calling oneself goth=/=goth, you're trying to use misbranding to justify a fear of consequences.
I.E. not an argument.

Wow Ethan Klein is really knowledgeable about the goth scene

Hipsters need to die, they'll kill goth swiftly.

"refreshing new takes" = misbranding

Lots of stuff have already been tried with goth, at this point the only way to make it seem fresh again is to misbrand something as goth.

It's not an argument it's a fact.

Now answer: do you want goth (which is 80s goth rock and darkwave and nothing else) to come back, or do you want a "refreshing new take"?

But you aren't a 'goth', that's just a made up identity, stop inventing fake identities for yourself to cling to and just be you, not 'goth'-you, just you. I know you can do it user, you're too good for poseur-shit, cmon

Absolutely not.
Marco-chan is the princesses of the goth world.

That's the talk of someone who's afraid of wearing makeup in public. Coward.

Goth is literally the original indie-hipster-rock genre, you are NOT fooling ANYONE you fucking poseur.

Who the fuck are you to assume what that person's true identity is?
Maybe goth-mode is their true-self.

You obviously don't know what you want. Post-punky bass driven downtempo songs are a thing again since more than a decade and every band like that tossed away the "spooky" aesthetic altogether to be more "hip".
Witch house is mostly made by junkies and weirdos in their bedroom and reflects the "I'm always home" mentality more than anything. If you associate it with trendy trap beats you obviously didn't get it.
Your purist mentality will only go as far as your local club allows you to.

No that would be punk rock actually

LOL
It's not an identity, you are literally a HIPSTER, you are just a HIPSTER that dresses differently to other HIPSTERS. Get a hold of yourself! You are not some sick and edgy member of a cultural elite, you have latched onto something seeking authenticity but you have become a caricature of authenticity. Know yourself user.

Goth is post-punk

Oh please. The biggest witch house project, Salem, sold itself mainly to on its hip-hop influences.
Witch House is fundamentally just darkwave with nigger beats.

Wew that's a lot of assumptions to throw at someone in one post.

Gotta love nu-conformists who think they're badass free-thinkers for giving in to herd mentality.

I'm just mad that qt goth girls don't exist irl.

Then stop treating identity like a commodity to be CONSUMED, I know you're better than that

yeah but punk rock is pretty hipster indie when you think about it

Catch me up to speed on goth music, anons. I like most of what I've heard from Bauhaus. I didn't like Disintegration by The Cure, but I really liked Three Imaginary Boys (but I'm told that's post punk, not goth). Where do I go from here?

Disintegration isn't really goth rock, Pornography is.

Yeah, it is. But do you know WHY is that? Have you ever come across irony in your life?

Do you smoke crack?

"SICK BRO, the herd is beneath me AAH!"
user, you cannot see the forest for the trees. I have told you to seek your true self and abandon this pursuit of faux-identity, to look inward, but you further consume frivolity and you continue to wear a mask, claiming that it makes you more whole, and when confronted you ridicule and call everyone else unwhole. You haven't learned anything, do better user! I know you can

Well no, you're arbitrarily redefining words and setting arbitrary dates. Subgenres like Dark Wave and Ethereal Wave back in the day could be considered refreshing new takes and they fall right in place with the Goth canon.

yeah i know

Being the guy you're responding to, I'm inclined to tell you that you've made no legitimate point and will disregard your post.

Did you just step out of high school?

user, you've been watching that one South Park episode way too often if you really think being goth is all about anticonformism.

And if you think the alternative to blind anticonformism is systematically rejecting all subcultures as fake, you're an idiot.

Obviously you don't have an argument.

See? There IS a goth canon. Now do you want that canon to be widely appreciated for what it is, or do you want it to be littered with bullshit?

>see? There IS a goth canon.
Yeah, and if we can add the once new Dark Wave to an otherwise Post-Punk/ Goth Rock canon then we could do something else. Neophobia is not a legitimate reason.

neither is "Lil Peep is a rapper" by that reasoning.

See

I've never watched South Park, settle down brah, you keep missing the point

Not that I give a shit about this woman, but funny how:
>90% of Sup Forums unaware/careless about her existence
>melon reviews one of her projects
>all of a sudden starts getting called a fucking goth princess and whatnot; everyone acts as if discussion of the artist was a frequent occurrance
SERIOUSLY, END YOUR LIVES.

You never left brah, evolve sometime

Renewal =/= Revival

Pretty sure your point is "if you call yourself goth you're deluding yourself", when our point is "if you are goth and refuse to call yourself goth you're deluding yourself"

Your point being?

The point, as above, is that goth shouldn't "come back" unless it closely follows the stylistic guidelines that were laid down in the 80s.

Why?

Because then it wouldn't be actually goth, and because there's no foreseeable way to improve on the classic goth style.

That's common fucking sense. If you got an idea on how to make something that's UNARGUABLY goth but also feels new AND at least as good as the classic stuff, feel free to suggest it. In the meantime your desire for a renewal of the goth subculture is irrational and noxious.

>all these burgers thinking goth is dead because they only go to Hot Topic core concerts

>that's common fucking sense
Not an argument.

t. Burrito man who is lucky enough to live in the only country where a trad goth scene still exists

Europe, my man.

It's simply an appeal to your mental faculties.

Burger here, it's not dead but it's certainly waned stateside.

Actually it's a fallacy. Try again?

I'm from Europe. There's no goths here, only hot topic sluts and short-haired dudes in black t-shirts and jeans.

Chelsea is barely goth anyway, she's mostly popular among metalheads

>?
tumblrcunt pls go

Move to a better country. Or at least go to the Treffen.

Not an argument.

Oh you mean the deviantart rivethead furry con you guys have in Germoney?

>implying
Never seen a furry there and the cyberfags are contained in their own little area. Trad and new guitar based goth has several big venues all for itself, two DJ parties and Pogo Party to boot. And I'm not even German.

the dark ambient scene has some good goth atmosphere acts

This thread got way off topic. The answer is OP: no.

No, but this thread is full of them.

hey fuck you leatherman

Goth was never as homogenized of a style as you people purport it to be.

The nostalgia-goth trend is horrendous and dull. Because it takes all the cliched tropes and bottles them, there isn't any room for experimentation like many of the original bands precisely because the bands are expected to mimick a certain aesthetic to a T. This orthodoxy is completely absurd and idiotic and stifles creativity.

There's plenty of them in England.

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