Why did american music suck so much in the 90s?

why did american music suck so much in the 90s?

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nu metal > shoegaze

Shoegaze was more 80s than 90s you fucking pleb.

gangstarap deserves its own section

90s gangstarap is patrician Nu metal was interesting and Grunge was important, people only cared about britpop and jungle the rest is bad.

This is now a COINTELPRO speculation / evidence thread

It didn't.

trying to live down hairbands I loved those hairbands

I will literally cum at the first spoke of a Skid Row.

Why was damaging, ancap hiphop promoted as black people’s greatest achievement and aspiration instead of free-thinking, free-loving house music?

I was gonna say go listen to Seal but he was born in the UK

its even worse today tho

Other than Teenage Fanclub, Pulp, and My Bloody Valentine, I can't think of any other good 90s rock bands from anywhere besides the US.

>Nirvana
>Alice In Chains
>Soundgarden
>The Smashing Pumpkins
>Green Day
>Harvey Danger
>Fountains of Wayne
>Pavement
>Pixies
>Dinosaur Jr.
>Melvins
>etc, etc

The real OP question is why was American music so negative in the 90s while Europe was tripping out to mind-expanding beats and loving life

Reaction to the music of the 80s. In both cases.

And the 2000s, and 2010s

But are you sure it wasn’t covert intelligence agencies’ increasing control over both mainstream media and international drug trade?

>90s gangstarap is patrician Nu metal was interesting

What the hell happened to this board?

Terrible bait, but I'll bite

Radiohead
Blur
Suede
Slowdive
Ride
Stone Roses
Garbage
Mansun
Super Furry Animals
Mogwai
Stereolab
Bark Psychosis
Catherine Wheel

and yes, Oasis

Also I like how you mentioned Fountains of Wayne and NOT Pearl Jam. You forgot Smash Mouth.

Top lel.

I'll also chuck in Supergrass, The Verve and Primal Scream, although they weren't all that great. Popular and influential all the same.

>while Europe was tripping out to mind-expanding beats and loving life
m8 trip-hop is pretty depressing and jungle gave birth to to darkcore and techstep which are highly dystopic

industrial was cool

Yeah but

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George Michael fucked us up. He was so talented we followed his path, yet.. degenerate sex anonymous.

Alice in Chains is the greatest band of all time

This vs. “life is meaningless, amirite? how many bitches will i fuck in ‘93?”

cringe

Repetitive bleep bloop pretentious shit vs. music with balls

Oi

>drinks a lot of tapwater

\m/ YEAH FUCK U MOM \m/

Are you guys intentionally listing commercial brand rock, or is it any rock?
Because:

Built to Spill
Red House Painters
Neutral Milk Hotel
The Microphones
Slint
Swans
Primus
Modest Mouse

Served to contain and alienate anyone conscious enough to look beyond the mainstream of nihilistic rageporn

the most popular music in the 90s that was all over the radio was bland and boring R&B

most of the most popular artists from then you probably haven't heard of because they're all one-hit wonders besides Mariah Carey and Boyz 2 Men

>the most popular music in the 90s that was all over the radio was bland and boring R&B

THIS IS HOW WE DO IT
UH UH UH

dont say it’s just american music, it was american culture in general

>britpop

brits arent actually proud about that..are they??

neo-psychedelia (Flaming Lips, Mercury Rev, Olivia Tremor Control...)
lo-fi (Pavement, Sebadoh, Guided By Voices...)
post-rock (Slint, Tortoise, Cul De Sac...)
post-hardcore (Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu, Unwound...)
noise-rock (Jesus Lizard, Unsane, Shellac...)
slowcore (Red House Painters, Low, Codeine...)
dark wave (Black Tape for a Blue Girl, Lycia...)
stoner (Kyuss, Sleep...)

A minus George Michael = Justin Timberlake

this

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well that was a boring google

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Grunge, Gansta Rap, and Nu Metal are better than everything on the left.

holy fuck

>rave
>jungle
>big beat
>trip hop
Why did British imitations always fall short of African-American dance music?

This

this desu

why are americans so obsessed with race

Why do Brits have a superiority complex with Americans?

completely agree. it's funny cause islands in general tend to understand dance music

idk start a thread about it

this thread is about why was american music in the 90s so boring compared to british music in the 90s

True

what about
>ny house
>detroit techno
>1st wave post rock

chicago house aged like shit and breakbeats were perfected by the british

I give you detroit techno though

were these scenes association with homosexuality a smear campaign by hiphop and grunge promoters?

>let me just perfect that dance music for you

90s hip hop is overrated.

90s are my favorite decade

the real question is, why is ALL music shit nowadays?

i keep trying to tell you guys this is a cointelpro thread

american cultural imperialism winning the world thanks to the internet

>post hardcore, noiserock, emo, mathrock, indie rock, death metal, all the best hip hop ever made
okay op

>pretentiously angry, pretentious, sad, autistic, sad self-alienating, angry and sad, angry and gives bad life advice
what the fuck were they feeding these americans?

did Jason Statham do music?

Not "ALL" music is shit nowadays. There have been some great quality records produced this decade. Saying that just makes you sound like one of those old parents who rant and rave about how bad music is now, despite them having no knowledge of current appraised music.

>pretentiously angry, pretentious, sad, autistic, sad self-alienating, angry and sad, angry and gives bad life advice
damn you sure invalidated an entire decade of music with that one

Music will be illegal in the UK soon guys let them have this one

why couldnt they come up with anything good *and* happy

name some pls
i'm not really impressed by all this indie rock/pop/folk or hip hop

Okay that's BS there's been greater hip hop outside of the 90s.

judging by your criticisms, it sounds like being happy is a prerequisite for you to like music
happy=/=good
sad/angry=/=bad

Dude what

>Okay that's BS there's been greater hip hop outside of the 90s.
if any, there's only very little. the 90's was the golden age of hip hop by a longshot.

Chief keef

Math rock starts showing up, too.

shit taste

Big Beat, Madchester and Trip Hop are terrible genres that weren't good then and are even worse now. The only good band in those genres is the Charlatans and that's because they eventually went britpop.

Thanks for sharing.

The 90s permanently ended the UK as a musical cultural powerhouse and this pic explains why. On the right is all the stuff the world wanted to listen to, and on the left is the stuff brits wanted to listen to. Or in some cases, stuff NME wanted brits to believe they wanted to listen to.

No wonder music has been on a decline since the 90's.

>rock
>rock
>rock
so interesting

>edm
>edm
>edm
so interesting

clearly is since rock is dead in 2017 :)

america missed out on the second summer of love

Why would I start a thread about it? There's not much to talk about. Britain is a shitty place to live, and the people stuck there like to run their mouths about how they do music better than Americans. Presumably, because it helps them sleep at night. The sad part is, the music that they pride themselves on is terrible copy of the sounds American and Jamaican musicians pioneered first.

at least rock's corpse isn't being strung up and paraded in front of the dumb masses like edm is.

rock is still alive and well. just on the underground

>pretends this never happened to rock

i never pretended this. but it definitely isn't happening now. the general decrease in rock's popularity has been a good thing for rock music

UK copying American House and Techno is a form of flattery though, no? The US didn't care about their own House and Techno until corporations decided that the EDM market is a goldmine for profit. I mean, that's the whole point the OP pic seems to be implying.

I think the best British dance producers understand the importance of Detroit techno. Unfortunately, their fans and music journalists like to write Americans out of the story of dance music so they can feed their nationalist narrative.

No one is denying your influence buddy. People write you out of the story only in the sense that the UK took their own path and branched out instead of rehashing your stuff ad nauseam.

For example jungle is related to the US only in the sense that it samples hip-hop and funk breaks. American funk and hip-hop producers didn't make jungle. Jamaican immigrants made jungle, but native jamaicans didn't make jungle.

No, dude. Tons of Brits act like they "get" dance music, and we don't.

I have a hard time viewing jungle as an legitimately uniquely British phenomenon because it is just dub (which was invented by Jamaicans) and breaks (discovered by a Jamaican living in New York). I guess whoever started chopping up breaks first was somewhat of an innovator. But the British took that idea to the worst possible extreme: ADHD breakbeats at unconventional time signatures, referencing jazz extensively in a desperate attempt to achieve musical credibility and, ostensibly, "intelligence"... it was a joke of a genre. I'm glad it didn't make it out of the 90's.

Brits talk it up about how they made electronic musics a popular phenomenon. What they really did was gentrification - making easy-listening background muzak for middlebrow white people who don't actually techno, and repetitious stupid noises for kids on E. I would rather techno stayed underground, but instead we got horrible music like IDM and breakbeat hardcore and their permutations.

as an american i definitely get the impression the british electronic dance scene was heavily influenced by jamaican fish looking for a smaller pond
sorry brits

>ADHD breakbeats at unconventional time signatures, referencing jazz extensively in a desperate attempt to achieve musical credibility and, ostensibly, "intelligence"... it was a joke of a genre. I'm glad it didn't make it out of the 90's
This almost reads like that one Simon Reynolds complaint about Drill & Bass producers bastardizing the original idea of Jungle.

You're a /bleep/ b8man aren't you?

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Yes, I've read Reynolds. I strongly disagree with most of his opinions though. He clearly lets his nationalism and ecstasy addiction get to his head.

>his nationalism
but he's american

No he isn't.

Vulnicura is good.

Madonna made house music popular way before brits got hold of it though

Madonna was always a counterculture figure. While it's true that she exposed dance music to more people, a lot of people also rejected her. In any case, she was better than her closest European equivalent, Bjork.