If libertarians are for privatizing everything, why do they hate the Federal Reserve Bank so much?

If libertarians are for privatizing everything, why do they hate the Federal Reserve Bank so much?

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do you need to be spoon fed everything OP?

They are not against the Federal Reserve, per se. They hate making the monopoly money notes the only legal tender and creating the IRS as the collectors for the private bank. Libertarians would prefer people have currency choices. For example, trading in silver and gold coins for commerce. Precious metals ate a store of value and do not collapse like paper currency always does.

>They are not against the Federal Reserve
They absolutely are.

>They hate making the monopoly money notes the only legal tender
But they're not the only legal tender. Warlmart not taking gold bullion for chicken tendies is Walmart's private decision, not the governments. Literally what is wrong with this?

>creating the IRS
Someone has to collect the taxes you agreed to.

>Libertarians would prefer people have currency choices
You mean like barter, favors, bullion or shillcoins? How do these things not exist now?

>Precious metals ate a store of value and do not collapse like paper currency always does.
This is literally not true.

Not an argument. Any of it.

>the taxes you agreed to
b8

Also
>This is literally not true.
is not an argument either faggot. If you're going to refute something, you better provide some evidence to back it up.

Shill

Here fagot:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_dollar_(private_currency)
Nobody cares about cyber currencies cause they are probably inferior than dollars, at least now, but when you compete with real money with intrinsic value they'll fuck you.

>is Walmart's private decision, not the governments

And that decision is informed by the fact that the government has distorted the currency market to begin with

>b8
All taxation is voluntary, whether you're a butthurt little bitch about it or not. You agree to pay taxes when you make a purchase, seek employment, start a business or trade assets. Unless you're going to claim that you didn't know any of that was involved before you did it. Then you're just a liar or a retard.

>is not an argument either faggot
Saying you're wrong when you are is absolutely an argument. If the value of precious metals were inviolate, their value wouldn't fluctuate.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_dollar_(private_currency)
What is this supposed to prove? What exactly is your argument?

>And that decision is informed by the fact that the government has distorted the currency market to begin with
This is literally just whining. If you don't like it, outcompete the fed.

Also, whether a voluntary decision is "informed" to your standards or not is irrelevant. It's still a voluntary decision. Who the fuck are you to tell anyone they can't accept Federal Reserve bank notes and not take bullion or bitcoins?

Are you retard? My argument is that somebody created a real coin (not crypto) backed in silver and they send him to prison.
We don't care if the FED exists, if people have the right to compete.

Ahh, I get it. If you go around telling other people they're not making an argument, and everything you say is a perfectly logical argument, then you always win. You got me.

The federal reserve is stupid and anti-free market. The government literally can create any amount of money it wants. This is completely retarded.

liberty dollar also used paper notes. How are those supposed to have intrinsic value equal to the worth of the material?

I didn't actually read it. I thought you were just whining that this was an alternative so the Fed was bad or something. That was an egregious injustice. I agree. But there are still plenty of private currencies in circulation.

You're the ones who started this stupid "Not an argument" shit that you got from your precious literal cult leader.

Why should the government not be allowed to print currency? Also the Fed is a private bank. This shit is full MPD. You bitch because everything isn't privatized in order to replace nationalized systems, then when one of the most important systems is privatized, you bitch specifically because it is.

>This is completely retarded.
Yes. Libertarians are completely retarded. I agree.

>Why should the government not be allowed to print currency?
Because it means it can manipulate the market by creating artificial bubbles and inflation.

Better question : why the fuck should the government be allowed to print currency?

>Also the Fed is a private bank.
Wrong. The board of governors of the Fed are appointed by the President. Do your homework.

Germany I expected more from you.
There was no fractional reserve and you were able to exchange them for silver.

Yep like McDonalds coupons and criptos and that shit. The good currencies get persecuted. Also good luck paying your taxes with something else than dollars.

>you started it! and it's also a stupid thing to say! but i'll say it anyways! and also assume you worship that jackass at the same time!

I think liberty dollar was screwed because they made their money look too similar to existing money
the certificates looked like dollar notes, the metals like dollar coins

this is one of the codes used to indict the creator:
law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/485

>It can manipulate the market
And how would some random goy printing PrivateBux not be able to?

>Because it means it can manipulate the market by creating artificial bubbles and inflation.
Literally who gives a shit? I think the thing all you retarded libertarians are missing is that the big bad gubmint is literally indistinguishable from a business. It's composed of individuals with private interests, you voluntarily agree to pay taxes, and the fact that it has a monopoly on force is simply because it has the most wealth. The only reason you're butthurt about it is because it doesn't agree with you.

>Better question : why the fuck should the government be allowed to print currency?
An even better question: who the fuck are you to tell it it can't?

>Wrong. The board of governors of the Fed are appointed by the President. Do your homework.
So what? Crony capitalism is still capitalism. It's the ultimate form of capitalism.

>The good currencies get persecuted
If you don't like it, why don't you whining, bitching faggots work hard, stay in school and create your own monopoly on power through the power of bootstrapping?

Wow. It's almost like you've unleashed something you thought was convenient as a work-around for actual thought and argument and that it's now biting you on the ass. Weird.

>I think liberty dollar was screwed because they made their money look too similar to existing money
This. They should have known better. You'd think someone who planned to start an alternative currency would at least read the laws on the issue first. I still don't think the government had the right to seize his assets, but the fact is his coined looked pretty fucking similar to federal coins.

Hell they do it now. Libertarians are legendary hypocrites about this. Business can never do anything wrong...unless of course it's rich jews in finance. Then magically capitalism becomes evil somehow.

I don't know about law, even less about American law but for me this seems like

>Let's find how we can indict those people

>Wow. It's almost like you've unleashed something you thought was convenient as a work-around for actual thought and argument and that it's now biting you on the ass. Weird.

not an argument ;)

Because it's the offspring of the prostitution between the state and the private money

Maybe it was a bad idea to give the rich so much power then?

I agree with this. It was most likely a pre-text to shut them down.

I wonder if they could've done it if Liberty Dollar was more careful.

If you don't like it, why don't you whining, bitching faggots work hard, stay in school and create your own monopoly on power through the power of bootstrapping?

We are not like lefties, we don't cry because someone else has power instead of us. We just don't want anyone to have this kind of power.
If you want a monopoly yes work hard and outsmart the competition. Create value. I won't, do that cause I can't, but I welcome anyone who wants to try (Even though I think it's not possible in a free market).

The Federal Reserve is a private entity, but one sanctioned by the Government through legislation (it couldn't exist otherwise). This kind of privatization is completely arbitrary and removed from the free market. It's a perfect example of the kind of unholy alliances between the public/private sector that libertarians hate.

The Fed is basically a thug with the Gov't as its bodyguard.

Because they aren't for privatizing everything and you should try not opening a discussion based on strawmen or lies.

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They do kind of have a case though. Look at the coins he minted and compare them to US coins and their symbolism. Like I said, I disagree with what the government did, but like all libertarians, this guy was really asking for it by not making his coins an entire universe different. He could have used any coins in human history for inspiration. He could have made them look like anything. Instead he decided to use actual symbolism similar to that from currently circulated coins. That wasn't very smart.

I think the guy should have made as difficult a case for them as possible. He made it way too easy. If it'd been me, I would have printed them with natural designs like animals or plant motifs. He just went straight for Americana - even shit like torches that appear on actual minted coins now, which was retarded.

>We are not like lefties, we don't cry because someone else has power instead of us.
That's literally what you're doing RIGHT NOW.

>We just don't want anyone to have this kind of power.
Well tough shit. It's their money and their power that they earned. Maybe if you weren't so fucking lazy, you could appreciate the work it took to build that kind of power and instead of envying them you'd mimic their labor.

>I won't, do that cause I can't
Well you're definitely either not a libertarian or a totally honest one. One of the two.

>removed from the free market
Because all the other banks posed adequate competition, right? Oh wait, no that's right, they all got bailed out. Banking is the absolute most crooked institution in human history and libertarians are fools and crooks to support it. Period. It's your own fault if you think banks of any kind should exist at all.

>The Fed is basically a thug with the Gov't as its bodyguard.
So what? Literally no capitalist doesn't buy government support once than can afford it. Prove me wrong.

Point out the strawmen and lies please. We both know you can't because they're not.

>libertarians are the bastard children of republicans and democrats
You're not wrong. You did forget the adjective "retarded" though.

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>I don't think the blind should be allowed to drive
>BOOOO!
>I wouldn't let five year olds buy heroin.
>BOOOOO!!!!!
>I'm totally against abortion. Period.
>YAY!! [standing ovation]
>Tomatoes
>Toaster licenses
>Jesus makes an appearance
>Ends with Teddy Roosevelt winning an auction for a sign autographed by autists for $6k, possibly in bitcoin

>teddy roosevelt
>libertarian

Did you watch the debate? Teddy Roosevelt literally won the auction.

c-span.org/video/?409916-1/libertarian-party-holds-presidential-debate

I just know my limitations. I'm not rich, but I'm happy that I can buy grosseries. If the people who produce goods for me are filthy rich I'm happy for them.
What I cannot stand people who have money/power and do not create value but steal. I don't care if they worked hard to become class A gangstas. Nor I give a shit if I'm lazy, this has noting to do.

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>Point out the strawmen and lies please

The entire sentence in your OP was a strawman lie.

>If the people who produce goods for me are filthy rich I'm happy for them.
Then you're a moron. Capitalism is not a net sum game for everyone. It's a positive exponential game for the rich and a negative sum game for everyone else.

>What I cannot stand people who have money/power and do not create value but steal.
All the rich steal, dummy. That's why they're rich. They steal resources we all need like land and freshwater, they steal consent, they steal power. They steal fucking everything and impoverish all but themselves.

>I don't care if they worked hard to become class A gangstas.
Then you are full fucking retard.

Watch the debate. You'll understand. That thing was true entertainment.

So what you're saying is that libertarians don't want to privatize everything and don't hate the Fed? Or perhaps that libertarians don't bitch that the Fed is a private bank? Where is your argument?

I am watching it right now... There's an Auction? The fuck?

at the end. They also advertised cool merch at the end of the stream, with a weed leaf and "legalize" among other things

At the very end. They auction off a sign all the candidates autographed. Wait a second, did you just know about jew gremlin's closing speech but not watch the debate? Oh man, you're in for a retarded treat.

I only knew about it because of it becoming a copypasta.

You're saying Libertarians want to privatize everything, that's the lie. Then implying hypocrisy because they hate the private federal reserve completes the strawman lie.

>Where is your argument?

I'm not really trying to engage in an argument that isn't based in reality, I'm just trying to explain to you where the disconnect is happening.

Tell me how is negative? I cannot produce a tomato or a computer or medicine. If wasn't for them I would die.
They save millions of lives. In exchange they get to go to expensive restaurants and fuck Russian prostitutes.

Because monopoly money and them having full control over its value

You realize the feds creates money out of nothing and loans it out at interest. Lol what a scam!!

I didn't say it wasn't informed to my standards, and I'm not fucking whining. I'm saying that the private decisions of Walmart are influenced by the government regulation of legal tender and financial regulations. Ergo, it's not simply "a private decision lol fuckoff", it's a private decision in response to government action.

>You're saying Libertarians want to privatize everything, that's the lie.
No it isn't you fucking moron. Most libertarians DO want to privatize everything, including militaries, the police force, education, healthcare, etc. Just because your one version of speshul snowflake libertarianism may not agree (and it probably does anyway, you fucking hypocrite), doesn't mean your No True Scotsman fallacy isn't still bullshit.

>I'm not really trying to engage in an argument that isn't based in reality
You sure about that? Cause it sure doesn't seem that way.

>I cannot produce a tomato
You can't? What are you, retarded?

>or a computer or medicine
Neither can capitalists for the most part. That's why Socialists always trounce the everloving shit out of them in technology.

>If wasn't for them I would die.
That's because you're a moron.

>They save millions of lives. In exchange they get to go to expensive restaurants and fuck Russian prostitutes
Lol what the hell??

So make your own.

And? Sounds like a really smart way to make money. Why are you jealous, because you didn't think of it?

Who influences a persons decisions is usually seen as irrelevant in libertarianism. Why are voluntary exchanges only "not voluntary" when it pisses off a libertarian, but not when it pisses off, say, the poor?

>Ergo, it's not simply "a private decision lol fuckoff"
It absolutely is though. At least by the standards of libertarianism. Don't be a fucking hypocrite now. Otherwise you have to admit that the rise to monopoly of Walmart was not due to them manipulating people's choices by undercutting every other grocer during a time of economic hardship for the middle and lower classes, because that's 100% fair play as far as libertarians are concerned.

> That's why Socialists always trounce the everloving shit out of them in technology.

You really think socialist societies/ Goverment owned companies are more advanced technologically? You have seen too much CSI

You don't know much about history, do you? Nazi Germany went from a totally ruined country to the edge of (and possibly entering) space travel in 10 years under the direction of Socialists. The Americans ONLY NOW are landing literally century-old Nazi rocket technology and call it "progress". The USSR, even after having been crippled by the Axis after WWII still beat the US in every single space benchmark right up until the moonlandings. And this was during America's absolutely most prosperous time. Capitalists redirect far too many funds for projects to themselves to live like kings to actually get shit done.

But in Nazi Germany people where hungry because inflation and price controls and in Ukrania people where eating the neighbors dogs and sons. Who cares if you could send a man in space. Technology have to respond to the needs of the market not breakthroughs with 0 added value.