I'm thinking of moving to China (specifically Hong Kong), but the government's position on certain issues worries me.
For example, the 'Document Number 9' lists the following 7 concepts as 'western dangers' and forbids their teaching in schools: >constitutional democracy >universal values of human rights >civil society >pro-market neo-liberalism >media independence >historical nihilism [criticisms of past errors] >questioning Reform
Do you think the Chinese government is likely to liberalise politically over the next 10-20 years?
Do you think it matters if you live under a government you fundamentally disagree with?
adv china is a youtube channel about western dudes living in mainland china
Gavin Gomez
The CCP increasingly has a hard time justifying their existence to young people, so they have in recent years fallen back on the old, tired shtick of foreign policy adventures in the South China Sea and whatnot.
Robert Jones
move to taiwan. why do you bother living there being worried about ccp
>to liberalise politically over the next 10-20 years? it will never ever happen
>Do you think it matters if you live under a government you fundamentally disagree with? theyve censored anything. you cant forecast what kind of thing would be censored. it all of a sudden begins.
Brayden Mitchell
>move to Taiwan
I only know Cantonese, I can't speak Mandarin.
But I am considering Singapore as a possible alternative.
Julian Nelson
Go to Singapore then. Don't move to China if you intend to subvert their way of life with western ideals. It is their country, after all: perhaps constitutional democracy or neoliberal markets are not correct for the Chinese people
Luis James
It are always people from English speaking countries that come here and then start SJW shit.
I can imagine how Chinese would feel if you start that shit there.
Xavier Hughes
Why did you move to USA then Chang ? You are just as subversive right here with this cultural relativism actually.
Unironically reported you for illegal content (you are obviously a chinese spy)
Isaac Rivera
Exactly. If you are a guest in someone else's country you must behave like it and refrain from stirring up shit politically. Would you litter in your host's kitchen? No? Then don't engage in subversive political activities. Western liberals are just as bad as Muslims in this regard.
Parker Bell
And this, children, is why China will never be a superpower except in the deluded minds of people like Henry Kissinger.
Easton Harris
This is a clearly anti-freedom of speech discourse and therefore anti-American and subversive
Jonathan Moore
My name is Matthew [Italian name] and I have American ancestors going back to the 17th century. Regardless, it is still my opinion that Western democracy should not be forced upon countries where it is culturally incompatible.
Dominic Smith
Sometimes one hand does X while another hand does Y. This is especially true when it comes to governments.
Michael Kelly
G'wan back home, Wang.
Adam Jenkins
I'm not saying I would try to change things.
I am just saying that I would be happier if it turned out things were likely to change on their own
Juan Gray
i dont know the actual differences between mandarin and cantonise. taiwanese Sup Forums poster would be able to help you
i mean, taiwan is the best country, the definition of "country" aside, in the han-chinese sphere. they have pretty much the same democratic values as the west and have actually cherished it.
you wouldnt have special big problems in living in singa if you didnt have a plan to make/produce some aggressive artistic stuff or to write such critiques/texts in public.
Ian Ross
>universal values of human rights >media independence >civil society >western dangers
what a fucking shtihole
Angel Green
>perhaps constitutional democracy or neoliberal markets are not correct for the Chinese people That's exactly what the CCP says.
Ryder Williams
All of these factors have contributed in one way or another to the moral and demographic decline of western democracies.
Cooper Rogers
Christ you're a faggot
Austin King
That's funny 'cos in China there's no morals at all, just whatever benefits the power of the state.
"In order to establish socialism, half of China may well have to die."
-- Mao Zedong
Grayson Green
>Sup Forumseddit says so it must be true!
Andrew Morales
China isnt exactly a moral haven.
Eli Cook
You should better think about China's possibility of setting war on American allies The proportion of real estate investment in China's GDP is 25% even for the latest indicator That is, the Chinese government knows the collapse of the Chinese economy but can not control the real estate bubble When this bubble breaks, it is time for China to strike war
Evan Nelson
>moral decline To decline you have to be at a level. Chinese have no morals, they've been completely brainwashed by their government.
I pray for the catholic faith to spread further in China. Catholic morals and teaching of Christ is what Chinese society desperately needs.
Owen Rogers
Is there a word to describe an opinion which is formulated only because it is contrarian and 'edgy', and is said only to get attention?
Justin Robinson
China is only nominally communist; it is de facto a heterogeneous economy which contains many zones of relatively liberal commerce. That being said, who are we to decide what is best for the future of China? Are we Americans really so much more free, who are constantly surveilled by opaque bureaucracies and swindled as a people into endless wars of imperialism?
Dylan Thompson
>Are we Americans really so much more free Compared to China, yes
Cooper Martin
Let's do this thing.
Jordan Edwards
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Noah King
>I am just saying that I would be happier if it turned out things were likely to change on their own in this case, I wouldn't recommend going to a place that is stubbornly contrasted to your own views, and expect or assume their views will change
Jackson Reyes
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Jose Fisher
typical "diaspora/3rd generations chimpouting" thread on the western internet you cant escape from this diaspora millennial hell storm
the irony is, the communities where japanese and mainladers post make much better arguments and have deep insightful discussions
It's truly incredible how hostile Westerners become toward a proud and ancient civilization just for its espousal of different values and customs.
Hunter Jones
China's traditional culture was mostly destroyed by communism anyway--there's not much left except in some rural villages.
Liam Campbell
Either way you'll always be a foreigner
Tyler Diaz
The west is build on revolutions. Each one breaking off the old and setting up something better.
Asher Reed
Ah yes, more poorly recited, obsolete historical revisionism from Sup Forums. Charming.
Matthew Watson
It's incredible how blind you are to not see the fact that communism is western and destroyed any Chinese culture left on the mainland
Adrian Watson
The sexual revolution has destroyed the West's ability to maintain native population growth. As the future belongs to those who show up, this I think was not a very beneficial revolution.
Parker White
>proud and ancient civilization just for its espousal of different values and customs. Communist China? Massive fucking kek. Communists tried and still try to eradicate everything that has something in common with tradition.
Hunter Lopez
Hong Kong still has more freedoms compared to the mainland. Beijing has been slowly chipping away at them though. HK used to have bookstores with material criticizing the CCP but they are slowly vanishing. One bookstore owner got abducted from HK and wound up in the mainland. People were outraged of course. He showed up on TV saying that he went of his own free will to help mainland police with an investigation. All the while his passport was still in HK, meaning he would not have been able to cross the border into the mainland.
Christopher Rogers
excuse me have you seen Japanese birthrates?
Alexander Bennett
Its mostly South and East Europe and Germany who's population growth is too low. In north and west europe the problem is not that big. And it cant be explained by migrants.
I think it has more to do with peoples financial inability to move out of their parents homes.
Logan Hall
Yes, they have become sterile due to Americanization.
Cameron Young
Have you heard of the Cultural Revolution and the Four Olds ? They basically wanted to get rid of anything that they perceived as holding China back or being in opposition with Marxist thought. Buddhist temples were torn down, Confucius' grave was vandalized, tombs of emperors profaned and books burned. They even wanted to fuck up the Forbidden City but Zhou Enlai saved it. In the 90' they started rebuilding and restoring old sites. Funniest thing is that a lot of Chinese artifacts have been saved by the black market.
Isaiah Moore
If a student moves out here he cant afford a place where he can raise a baby either.
Caleb Watson
Who fucking cares about a slightly flat birthrate when you're bound to be on the forefront of the robotic revolution ?
Jaxon Nelson
adv china is so hilariously biased it's incredible
not to mention the climate in China is starting to make them crack and it shows
Aaron Sanders
>adv china is a youtube channel about western dudes living in mainland china i like cmilk but they're all pretty retarded and not knowledgeable of anything beyond mundane day-to-day life. also the south african guy has some narcissism issues and most of their friends are annoying and/or retards.
oh and the south african guy (serpentz?) has been doing click-baity bullshit videos for like the past year. Quality and legitimacy in his channel has dropped a lot.
my point is that you shouldn't trust their deductions regarding economy/politics/culture.
Brody Jones
Yeah once they went "official"/made the channels their day jobs, the content went to shit.
I don't think they realized how quickly you run out of ideas when you make new shit every other day. Now serpentza just rehashes old videos, while the new ones are all very similar and worn with the same content and sermons that they've gone over in 5 other videos.
not to mention I hate watching how cmilk treats his wife and serpentza is getting increasingly political and preachy, no matter what he says to the contrary
Logan Green
Hong Kong is alright. If you dislike the government you'll feel right at home.
Caleb Ramirez
Yeah, it worked so well in LatAm and the shithole you live in. Hahah.
Austin Morgan
What China needs to bring back is confucian values. They don't need any Catholic faith.
Colton Harris
biased towards china or against?
Eli Roberts
what have they shown to not know shit about?
Hudson Rogers
I don't see what is wrong with the things listed there. Not like Hong Kong is anything but pure degeneracy and greed anyway.
Daniel Cruz
Chinks ruined HK in less than 10 years, don't bother. Go literally anywhere else.
Gavin Lopez
>he hasn't been to China since 2012
They pretty much completely reversed the "destroy tradition" thingy (which only happened in 1960's).
Landon Morales
>Have you heard of the Cultural Revolution and the Four Olds ?
You'd have to assume history books in China mention anything about those. I guess he could ask his grandma.
Adrian Turner
>HK 2007 was ruined
Uhh no kill yourself
*rules as a dictator in HK for 100 years* *cries about not enough democracy*
Hunter Sanchez
Confucius' grave was never "vandalized".
Also, the cultural revolution ended 41 years ago.
Robert Richardson
>Do you think the Chinese government is likely to liberalise politically Yes, because of a concept known as performance legitimacy. In authoritarian or totalitarian societies, the general population will only be willing to put up with their shit so long as the perception is that the regime is improving their lives. China has adopted capitalism heavily in the last 40 years, which exposes them more to the boom and bust cycle. The moment things go bust for the middle class Chinese citizen, they'll get angry and demand a political solution.
Civic democracy tends to weather these boom and bust cycles better because we don't have faith in -the- regime but rather our systems of electing regimes. Votes of no confidence in particular (not that the US has them) are good for blowing off pressure.
>over the next 10-20 years? Who knows the timeline.
Henry Phillips
Troll somewhere else dumb spic
Thomas Harris
interesting and wellpresented ideas that are relevant to the topic at hand
i give your post a 9/10
Caleb Richardson
>I think it has more to do with peoples financial inability to move out of their parents homes.
Let's take a look then
Gavin Bailey
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Blake Perry
And what have you concluded?
Caleb Richardson
Netherlands is gay
Kayden Sullivan
>For example, the 'Document Number 9' lists the following 7 concepts as 'western dangers' and forbids their teaching in schools: >>constitutional democracy >>universal values of human rights >>civil society >>pro-market neo-liberalism >>media independence >>historical nihilism [criticisms of past errors] >>questioning Reform good
Aiden James
It mostly correlates but Germany is the big outlier. In terms of countries in green on the first graph.
At first I thought Catholicism would explain why France and Ireland are much more fertile than they ought to be, but Italy, Spain, and Poland still have quite low birthrates despite being Catholic. So clearly that isn't it. It seems that moving out of the parents' home is the strongest indicator but that doesn't stop Germans from being cold flaccid autists.