I’ve been with my fiancé for 2 years now, marrying her next year...

I’ve been with my fiancé for 2 years now, marrying her next year. She was never a fan of sex because of past partners blah blah, but she’s never had an orgasm. She doesn’t masturbate and she’s against the idea. I feel like a failure when we have sex. Any advice Sup Forums?

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should have considered this sooner user, now you're in too deep to get out

Don’t get me wrong, I’m stoked to marry her. But it’s hard when sex is a one way street

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do this to her

don't go to /b for advice

Then talk to her, brother, don't call on the retards of Sup Forums for help. If you can't talk to her about this kind of stuff then you're not headed into a very healthy marriage

Why in the holy fuck would you marry ? Men get no benefits from it... women push for and over 70% file for divorce.

If you make good money don't do it.hell, even if you don't make good money... Or else you are securing her life and giving up nothing for it.

I'd say check out tom lykeis or Patrice o Neal.

I hope you realize, you are getting shafted and don't know it. Marriage guarantees nothing, you will get tired of her, and in the end, you will have to pay for all of it.

Do some research on it.

>being this jaded

Yeaaah I wouldn't go to Sup Forums for advice. But like user said, marriage isn't for men, and it doesn't represent love. Women push for marriage because they know what they are getting.

You are a lottery ticket. A marriage offers nothing to a man that a relationship couldn't provide.

Yeah, I'm seconding this user right here. You're fiance doesn't like sex, eh? Well then she's giving you a decent heads-up, because no women like sex after marriage. What the fuck are you doing, user? Are you some sort of sentimental clod? Why do you want to get married anyway? Forget about the sex shit - there's a number of things that might be the root cause of that, none of which are known to me or anyone else on Sup Forums, so we can't even begin to give you advice in that regard. What do you think this is, Dr. Ruth? The real issue is that you shouldn't get married at all - point blank, period.

Ok white knight. I just said do research on it. Can't be jaded when looking at the facts.

Good movie to check out is the red pill.

I bet you also pay so girls can have free dates, and also have this idea that marriage for men is just the best thing ever.

Amen!

I say don't fucking do it. Women are known for this now a days.

OP here

We’ve spoken about it and it’s a “slow progress”. As far as marriage being for the female is concerned, I 100% agree. Although I am excited to marry, I was never fussed on it from an earlier age (divorced parents etc)

you'll have to cheat and masturbate your whole life, trust me

She probably does like sex. Just not sex with you!

>Any advice Sup Forums?
Do not marry her!

Have you considered going to a sex therapist together? Would she be willing?

Kek

This

She see’s a psychologist on a monthly basis, but I feel that’s as close to sex therapy as she will get. I could probably join her one day

Wouldn't marry her if I were you, but whatever man, you do you.
Literally, once you're married your sex life is going to consist mostly of masturbation. Just sayin'.

Excited for what? It's not for men. Men get zero benefits from it... if you are excited to give some useless women your earnings and if she dumps your ass, which shows this kinda thing happens now a days she gets everything from you regardless of what you did for her in the past.... and if you also have kids ..... It's really over, because not only would your ass not get the kids, she will have owership over them over you, and you will have to pay for them.

So if you're excited for all that shit. Then you deserve to get whatever happens.

However if you do take the red pill, you can still have a marriage ceremony... but fuck all that legality shit because that's what rapes you.

please don't listen to any of these incels who have never been in a happy relationship and probably never will and don't contribute shit to thread.

get her into smut novels and then buy her a hitachi wand and use that on her clit (she will orgasm without a fail).

What if you mention just having a ceremony. If she's okay with that, then you can tell its more so about the money.

If she's cool with the ceremony then shit. Just do that. Get her name legally changed and that's it.

seconded, b is an incel shithole, talk it out with her and work through it together

>this

Don't marry her, because she's got a looooot more problems hiding under that I 100% guarantee you.

You don't have to get married to be in a happy relationship. Again with the white knight shit.

Oh... he probably never had a happy relationship...

Really? Again your idiotic shaming techniques.

Facts are facts.

Don't do it mate, you'll regret it in the long run. A sexless marriage/relationship doesn't last. Maybe she's not sexually attracted to you...

what the fuck are you talking about? The OP said that he feels sexually inadequate, and you're talking about ceremony vs. big wedding, or something...The trajectory of the thread has turned to the prudence of getting married or not, to be sure, but your post is still not relevant.

Just what the fuck is going with you tonight, user?

Women push for marriage all the time. They are supposed to because this is how they become secure. Historical facts show that women now a days push for marriage so they can be taken care of.

Women today know....
Marriage is a business
Marriage courts are in the pocket of the women
They look for educated and good career men
They don't view men as important
They know they can cut off sex completely and nothing the husband can do
They know that the man will do everything to stay married because if not he will have to pay for everything
They know they have the power to get the kids

Marriage is not how it was 50 years ago.

No woman wants sex once they're married. If you're happy with your fiance (other than the sex) then you're probably not going to do any better elsewhere.

Because my girl is rich and i am not.

You’re the man user. Marrying her isn’t my issue here

Big reason why I’m totally okay settling down with her. Sex aside, she’s a great person.

He's talking about being excited for marriage.

I don't care about him feeling sexually inadequate. Shit, the bitch is clearly trying to rape him. You see she's all for marriage and convinced him to be excited about it also. And shes not giving sex up now, you know she's not going to give it up once marriage hits.

His entire story, everything is together. His feeling inadequate is because she doesn't put out. Find some woman that WANTS TO FUCK YOU OP.

You trying to be the nice guy to a bitch who doesn't want to fuck you...... and you trying to give her the world.

You know exactly what I am talking about

In this case. I would do it. However women are tricky. Women aren't generally happy with a mother fucker who makes less than they do. They want a provider and if they have to be the main provider they get unhappy.

Hypergamy is real ... or is a real thing

Put on porn of her liking and get a vibrator. Or just the vibrator. Foreplay is the key here though. Drive her crazy with romance of some kind in the day then surprise her in bed. Don't even mention it, just put it on her clit and let the magic work. It can be a regular back massager, not a sex toy. Push her legs apart to show dominance. Once she starts to cum, keep it there for a little bit. Take it away for a minute, then put it back on for round two. Trust me, I'm a woman and this always works in my and my friend's experience.

Take her to brazil and drop her off for a night, no more problems.

quads of kek

This is the problem with dating people with past partners imo. Not that this is their fault it turned out that way, but unless you're both on the same level of experience, I can see it being a problem. Espeecially if it left them all jaded, or has them comparing you to other partners. I'd also be pissed imagining my partner being reamed by others. Thankfully, I don't have to worry about that; my hand has never touched another dick.

This is trying to force her into it. Don't do this. What he fucking needs to do, is take away his time and give it to other bitches. His girl needs to see that there are other bitches who would fuck him.

1) Don't marry her if you don't have a good sex life.

2) Getting a chick off requires several factors:
a) She has to be into the idea
b) She has to feel honest and open about what she likes
c) You have to be good at sex. Remember women take more time to get going generally so start with 15 minutes of massage, move on to rubbing her, then light fingering, then fucking and rubbing her clit simultaneously.

But the challenge will be getting her interested in the first place.

Force her into enjoying sex? Have you ever had consensual sex before?

Top kek for sure.

Is your wife's name Brittany OP?

Marriage is a fucking farce anyways but if you know it's gonna be a sexless marriage and you do it anyway, you deserve what you get.

Well op is gonna be an idoit and marry the bitch regardless because he's excited to. So it doesnt matter if the bitch doesn't have sex. It doesn't matter if he doesn't care about giving her all that he owns.

If he thinks it's a good idea, let him do it and then learn from that experience. Smart men saying don't do it for good reason

White knights saying do it because they dont have a good reason other than women want it and that's all that matters.

So let OP do what he wants. He's gonna do what he wants anyways.

If you have to put on a porno to TRY her in the mood to fuck you if she doesn't already want to fuck you. Then yes you are trying to force a fuck out of her.

It's not gonna work. Again, I say, don't marry the bitch, find some other women who want to fuck you. Or find some other bitches who want your time... and let the main chick see it.

Just know that all these guys saying "don't get married, smart guys don't get married" have never had a real relationship. If they think they did, they still didn't. Marriage can be a wonderful thing. If you feel it, good for you. It's more than most. Good luck man.

What's wrong with porn? I meant put it on if it helps, if not, just the vibrator. You clearly have never satisfied a woman if you need a side chick. Stupid cuck.

Mans time is the equivalent to a woman's vagina. We don't give it to just anyone, its extremely important to us. If we do give it to someone, that person must have some importance in our life.

A man will give his body to almost any bitch freely. But will not give up his time freely. And women need to be taught this.

Women want time, men want sex. If there's no equal exchange, its not worth it. All we know, OP be a time hoe... meaning he's giving out his time freely, and getting nothingin return. Don't be a time hoe.

Take away your time and give it to other things.or people. She will either give her body to you, or she will go find someone else to bother.

White knight comment. Again, you dont have to get married to have a great relationship.

Marriage doesn't offer anything to a man. More importantly it doesn't offer anything to a man that a relationship couldnt.. and even tho you can't prove this you stand behind womens shit. Again

And doesn't change the facts, if you were sky diving and you were told your parachute only opens successfully 30% of the time would you? Fuck no you wouldn't.

So a successful marriage 30% of the time? And yeah you stand behind it? Fuck you for trying to fuck OP.

PLUS if you look up marriage counseling statistics of how successful it is... Marriage is not the route to take" FOR A MAN"

Holy shit, this is some of the best insight I've ever read on Sup Forums.

I looked this term up and its funny.

But true...
White knight
A guy that sells out his own male gender to earn some extra " brownie " points with the ladies

Or a guy that will pretty much do everything a girl tells them..
Jack: " Hey hey what the fuck man, I'm the victim here, Sally pushed me!

Bouncer Mcgregory: Thats not what I heard, Sally said you were bothering her, I'm kicking your punk ass out the club

Jack: WAIT! Are you even gonna hear me out?! Fuck I'm not going anywhere without my lawyer!

Bouncer Mcgregory: No whatever Sally says counts, we need the hot girls here to attract more male customers. ( yes I did see Sally push you and spill her drink on your shirt, but I'm have to kick you out because I want to get into her panties tonight, sorry Jack your a good man, but its everyman for himself.. )

Mary: Ian was such a creep today, he shook my hand the wrong way

Bob: Woah, yea he is such a creep, that guy is some big ass loser. Your right. ( hoping to earn some points to get with Mary )

Bob: ( muahahaha, I'm such a white knight in shining armor! I am so bedding Mary )

>stoked to be a miserable loser

These are funny . lol

Internet white knight
A desperate guy on the internet who will do anything to defend women, even if they are in the wrong. Logic and rationality are not his virtues. He hopes that defending women on the internet might somehow increase his chances of getting laid.
Man 1 - She only wants him for his money. She is a gold digger.

Internet white knight - Don't talk about her like that. She is a woman. So what if he wants money from men?

Man 1 - Aren't men and woman equal? Shouldn't she pay her own bills instead of making the man pay?

Internet white knight - (Speechless)

Yeah, married guys are a cancer. I work with a few married guys, and they sound just like you. When you start to scratch at the surface (and not that vigorously, mind you), you'll hear them bemoan their existence, and it's not even slight. They'll moan about how they have not time for anything but work and family, about how they have to do everything their wife says, about how the boss-man is breathing down their neck because they're obviously not able to devote the requisite amount of time to work obligations in light of familial obligations, etc. Here's the deal with married guys: they know they fucked-up, and they want all other guys to fuck-up as well. They're jealous, but there's also a utilitarian purpose behind it: if we're all married, then we're in a "labor union," of sorts. In other words, if we're all incompetent, sleep deprived, and emasculated, then those that own the means of production won't be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Yeah don’t marry her.

I’m about to drop my wife because she’s gotten lazy and prefers to buy stupid shit than spend time with me. Watch a movie, take a walk, simple Shit like that

i can see that but at the same time a woman loves a man for how he makes her feel. what he does for her. a man loves a woman for who she is.women are incapable of the kind of love a man feels. its my opinion she refuses to give herself to him. therefore he should not marry her because she is constantly holding back

All sane men want side pussy. To be with one woman forever is a womans idea. Not a mans.

A man wants to fuck a lot of women. A woman would rather fuck one man alot. Again not in OP case. The point of that post is, men aren't satisfied so this is why a lot of men seek out that strange pussy

OP here

Cheers to the people who looked past the marriage point in my post and offered advice for sexy times.

Also keep the usual white knight definitions coming, getting me through work.

Incorrect user

Welcome my man. I say YouTube

Patrice o'neal the black philip show. 13 episodes.

There are a lot of men in here who think like a woman. It's not their fault. Society tells us to be like them. Men and women do not love the same. Men do not want marriage. We mirror how women love because we think its the right way to do it.

Women take our manhood away from us. And they know we want the pussy. So they get what they can get from it because they know its how they can take advantage of us. Using our time and money in the hopes of getting pussy.

This is why so many guys pay for dates and become time hoes because they are wanting and hoping for pussy.

I understand what you are saying here, and to be honest I guess you do get all the perks of marriage without some of the drawbacks by just dating a woman, but I would think a better analogy is this...
If you lived in shithole Africa or Mexico, and you only had a 70% chance of getting to America (fuck off with your America is a shithole comeback, you know what I'm saying), would you make the journey? If you find the right spouse, marriage is a wonderful and rewarding thing. Most guys who are salty about marriage is likely because they fall in love with some good pussy, but forget to read the fine print and see if the woman is right for them. Plus, don't be a pushover then and get married without a prenup. Don't let the girl tell you "you don't love me," if she does love you she would understand your reasoning

And if you're looking for materialistic gain, being married gives you better tax status and is better for protecting your assets.

eat her out dude. Don't be a retard and try to stick your tongue in her and that shit, just twiddle her clit for a few minutes. She'll cum and like you a lot better for it.

One I'm actually a woman. Ohh, beware. Two, I wanted to give some vote of confidence considering this thread is full of fucking cucks. I for one am working, it's not the 50s, and I will gladly sign a prenup. I don't want men to take half my money. I doubt you all have ever been married, and to be fair neither have I. But don't be fucking idiots about it. Good for you all if you don't want to be married. I doubt anyone would want to pressure you anyways. That'd be a miracle. Live your life and quit giving horrible copout advice.

Possibly. But we never know if that will even happen. And if it does, for how long. A bitch must always feel that she doesn't have you so she stays interested. If you marry her and just be her bitch she will take advantage or lose interest.

A woman doesn't want what she can have.

you're getting marriage and raising a family mixed up. I don't know what you're arguing, because of course your children are going to take a huge chunk of your time. Just a question, are you planning on having kids when you're older?

What perks? And fuck a tax right off. You save more money not playing the marriage game

1. These guys
Hate to say it, but it's true. Please do yourself a massive favor, do not throw your life away. research marriage stats, hypergamy, divorce stats & laws in your state. You're entering your marriage from a setback start, please be wise and protect yourself just in case the future isn't so rosy.

2. Suggestions for Porn to get he turned on are shit. Ignore. She needs therapy. Alone. And she should be in a healed enough place before you marry that she's sure.

And, on top of that you should do couples therapy. And sex therapy. And that's a lot of fucking work on your guys part. Having a strong sexual dynamic is a vital core to a happy marriage.

If all of that doesn't work, consider negotiating an agreement with her for you to have sex with other people. It could be don't ask don't tell. Or strangers only, no falling in love. Or swinging. Or she helps you find women. Do it in a way that works for you both, but man, STAND UP FOR YOUR OWN NEEDS. Do you really want to go your entire life sexually unfulfilled just to have a partner? Think about that. Have you ever felt sexually powerful, desired, and important? If not, you're doing yourself a major disservice by never giving yourself the gift of feeling that way. You deserve to feel valued, to have self esteem for your own sexuality as a man. It's life changinglu important. I say this as a guy who just got out of a 5 year sexless relationship. Never again. The disempowerment from that dynamic is deeply damaging. It's taken me months to reclaim myself and feel strong and alive again.

If she can't honor and meet your needs, she shouldn't get in the way of them either. Fight for your dignity. If she's not okay with that, don't marry her. Either way, love yourself enough to provide for your own needs

Again . you have some shaming in your post. Nice. Again, women all women pressure someone for marriage. I've been many times and I shut them all down. I'm the one in control, not her. When I am happy, we both are happy. If there is just a woman happen then you have a miserable man.

Marriage doesn't offer anything to a man. And for women, if you can trick a man into thinking marriage is all for them then good for you toots. Women know its a business you can't deny that it isn't a business. Men want to have sex, I help them do that and open their eyes to what's really going on. And since your a fucking woman. Great! You are pushing for marriage and ignoring how it rapes men. So fuck you , you don't give two shits about anything. So I can see why you are so into marriage why wouldn't you be... with your wet clam.

Thank you! Majority of them was from me. And also the one below talking to me clam lips just now.

But it could be that op just baited all of us in some stupid fake story. Lol so meh.

Is she a Muslim? They get their hoo haw cut off at birth

Ugh. I'm sad that this thread will go away at some point.

Is there a way to save this? A lot of good shit is in here

Stop caring if she cums. She doesn't so why should you. Just let her know how much you enjoy doing it with her.

Fix your low self esteem. Loser.

This is true. It's not your responsibility to make her come. She probably wants you to find out something she doesn't even know how to do herself.

She needs to find that out and not pressure you to do it. And if she doesnt pressure you then fuck it.

(Continued)

Realize that marriage exists to create a stable container for children. To secure a guarantee of your paternity. And to create security for her while she goes about raising YOUR kids. If that's not happening because she's not having sex with you, then what's the point? She can still divorce you for no particular reason, take half of your net worth, demand you pay her alimony in addition to taking half your net worth, and get full time custody of the kids if you guys DO have them.

Now, I realize she's probably awesome and lovely and difficult to imagine she'd ever do something like that, but you've got to see clearly-- if she doesn't like sex, SOMETHING IS WRONG, and she's not that mentally healthy right now. She may be sweet, but she needs healing. And risking all of that loss on somebody that unhealthy is.....scary as fuck. At least, you SHOULD be scared.

Now, most guys in this situation marry for the sense of belonging, because she's part of your home, your heart, your tribe. She's family and you don't want to lose her. And usually when a guy is like that, it's because his social circle is small and he's not creating string bonds with enough friends that he will thrive no matter what.

So fix your life, create your own security, create a better agreement with her, ask her to do therapy, do therapy together and get it really solid BEFORE you marry. Then, if all goes right, dive in and pray for the best. Anything else is self destructive, and unfair to her as well.

Best, user

Oh, I see. So just because I'm not a total asshole means I'm atomically for marriage? I have nothing against it. I've seen plenty that failed, too. It's funny to me that you think marriage only benefits women because marriage was historically created by men to own property, aka women. I'm pretty disappointed in your assumptions. You know what they say about assuming, right?

Now, do I believe their marriage will be successful because he loves sex and she doesn't? It probably won't be. Can I still try to be optimistic anonymously, of course. You're making a mountain out of an anthill. Relax. It's not that important to start a fight online. Plus it's fun to see people's comments.

Whoops, baited! Oh well, at least I made some decent pasta

This can also be true. Stop figuring out what she wants all the damn time. How does she make your life better?

OP here

Legitimate story, I was tossing up whether to post it the last few days. I’m currently at work so the responses are autist.

Before I knew her I was an avid gambler, drinker, smoker and was dabbling in some beta drugs. She’s cleaned up my bad habits

She understands the mutual frustration, but her outlook is turning more negative towards sex in general because she “gets nothing out of it”

I have something against because way too many men get shafted from it. and they get shafted by the very women that push for it.
People tend to not care about things that they arent impacted by. so i get why you are neutral. . .

and its not an assumption. i have stated over 6 times men do not benefit from marriage and not one person stated otherwise.

if women were in the position of the man in marriage. and women kept getting fucked by men. I would tell them to stop getting married as well.

Again read the red pill. all your facts and data, there... or I can post it. Again as I said earlier. . marriage isnt like how it was 50 fucking years ago... back then it DID benefit the man. but now it doesn't. its all somehow in the hands of the woman. . . and to any sane person that knows this wouldn't do it... again women push for it. I know few women who recognize what is going on and they are against it to.

Cool, my efforts aren't totally in vain then. With complete respect for you as a man, OP, please consider our words.

Just to put that in context, I'm a woman lover, had numerous multi year LTR's. I love my mom, no hate there. I don't want to see it the way I said it, but I'm old enough to have seen numerous guys lives crash and burn around me. I'm not a hater, I'm a romantic who has had his eyes forcefully opened. Be careful, Sup Forumsro

looks like OP wants to get married so he will. mixed bag of shit here. some a lot of people did their research on marriage and stated facts. Others just responding only on how they feel and nothing more. so I say get married, i think its a shitty idea to get married but... meh you dont give a shit about your future, so neither do I

The part that worries me for you is the hit your self esteem takes when she's not into it. It's hard not to take personally, at least a little bit. And that really effects how you feel about yourself, and how attractive you feel to the opposite sex

dont waste your time. OP will learn for him self.

Genuine thank you for you man, I’ve been considering the pro’s and con’s for the past 12 months and it’s difficult to pick out any negative time spent with her (other than the sex). I know what I want, and she’ll be my wife next year. Thanks Sup Forumsros for a good thread

Sup Forumsro, you are so fucking right. I've counseled people around this stuff before, they never listen. Then they suffer. Then they wake up. Tragic, but I hate to see people ruin their lives

Cool, if you're dead set on it, then make an agreement that you get to sleep with other people if you want to.

why don't you invite me around and allows us 2 some alone time i'll sort her problem out

I’ll die before I cuck faggot

Sure, I won't doubt men get fucked for it, but I cannot say that the women pushed for it. You cannot add your own variables to statistics when you don't actually know.

Again, I've never been married, but nowadays it seems like a true partnership. There aren't many that succeed, the ones that do are incredible. My parents have been married for 35 years and counting. This is their second marriage each. I look up to their accomplishments but will never pressure anyone into it because that's not healthy or true.

You're extremely angry about it and I can see why with some of your points. But I still think it's not a lost cause and can benefit kids more than anything if you're a good pair. If not, it's best for the kids if you split. However, I still think you're making a mountain out of an anthill. People will do what they want. There's plenty of cucks and bitches. So what? There's also happily married people. Again, so what? Don't get married and you'll be fine dude. Don't overgeneralize either though.

move on. she is wacko

Yeah, if the laws were simply fair & balanced, I'd say it's all good. Marriage can be awesome, and might worth a shot if both parties left with what they made / came in with and no more. But as they are, you're literally gambling with your entire life

get her hoped up on molly and fuck the shit out of her

You know, I thought a lot about it after my last breakup, and it finally came clear to me:

Your life vs. Her eggs ( in terms of investment )

Women are hypergamous because they have to be-- being a mom is a major commitment, so she's gotta be choosy with her eggs. She gambles with her life. Fair enough.

But marriage for a man Is the same thing: he gambles with his life, so a man should be just as choosy as a woman when it comes to the idea of an LTR

The other thing that dawned on me is this:

Polygamy vs. a Hypergamy.

If a woman asks a guy to not sleep with other women, she's asking him to suppress his evolutionary wiring for the sake of the relationship.

If that's the case, she must offer the same thing-- suppressing her evolutionary drive-- for the relationship as well. That means she must commit and work against her hypergamy in the same way he must work against his polygamy. Fair is fair, it's the only way.

OP here

For your patience, this is the only photo I will ever share of my future wife.