He refrains from engaging in sexual activity on the grounds that it will potentially create a slightly better bond with...

>he refrains from engaging in sexual activity on the grounds that it will potentially create a slightly better bond with a future partner a decade from now

top fucking kek

you can't make this shit up

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go away shlomo

Just more for us, ain't that right partner.

>you can't make this shit up

>implying marriage is some ultimate worthwhile goal to begin with

>implying correlation is causation

>implying that chart has any relevance for people who don't care about getting married

>implying the utility that comes from having sex for over a decade is outweighed by a slightly increased likelihood of divorce later on in life

why is Sup Forums so stupid?

>implying marriage is some ultimate worthwhile goal to begin with
Only the best way to raise children and preserve your culture.

>implying correlation is causation
Just no. If you can't figure out that people had premarital sex prior to marriage that's your problem.

>implying that chart has any relevance for people who don't care about getting married
It does because most of them settle down eventually.

>implying the utility that comes from having sex for over a decade is outweighed by a slightly increased likelihood of divorce later on in life
In what world is a 30% to 80% increased likelihood slight.

>Only the best way to raise children and preserve your culture.

Stupid and presupposes that children are a worthwhile end.

Protip: Children are for people who accomplish shit in life.

>Just no. If you can't figure out that people had premarital sex prior to marriage that's your problem.

Not an argument.

>It does because most of them settle down eventually.

Again, if you don't care about getting married - the chart is irrelevant.

As for most people getting ultimately getting married you are extrapolating history to a future, which is a fallacy.

>In what world is a 30% to 80% increased likelihood slight.

You're completely ignoring the utility aspect.

Divorce is not death. The utility gained by sex for a decade is greater for most than the utility lost by a divorce when one is 50.

Stop projecting your own bullshit morality and value judgments about what's worthwhile onto the rest of us.

children are an accomplishment faggot

Just to point something out, OP is male and these statistics apply to females. Basically this should indicate how to select dating partners with the intention for marriage, but not restrict a man from casual sex. It falls to a more traditional moral system beyond materialist utilitarian ideas to potentially dissuade that behavior; that or something more like the categorical imperative would be necessary unless you have more statistics that account for men not being women.

I guess minorities are the most accomplished people on Earth then huh?

Fucking moron.

>women

they are taking over our country with that

>engaging in useless acts of sex that adds NO value and only just momentary happiness
>not reading/exercising for something more lasting

Go away schlomo, I want my healthy family that is upright with God and shuns degenracy

Since when did Homer do that?

>Stupid and presupposes that children are a worthwhile end.

If you have any values that you believe in the best way to ensure they matter in the future is by raising children. Values are taught at home.

>Again, if you don't care about getting married - the chart is irrelevant.

For now.

>As for most people getting ultimately getting married you are extrapolating history to a future, which is a fallacy.

Watching patterns continue for thousands of years isn't fallacious it's being observant.

>The utility gained by sex for a decade is greater for most than the utility lost by a divorce when one is 50.

That's subjective, but divorce has many ill effects on the spouses and the children.
See
>webmd.com/balance/news/20090728/divorce-has-lasting-toll-on-health
>Those who were divorced or widowed but then remarried still had 12% more chronic health conditions and 19% more mobility problems than married people who had never experienced divorce or the death of a spouse; but they were only slightly more likely to report depression.


>Stop projecting your own bullshit morality and value judgments about what's worthwhile onto the rest of us.

You came here for a debate. Morality and value judgements are not bullshit they matter. If you think you have it figured out better than that fine. If you're feeling triggered you are free to leave.

I do realize those stats were collected on women. I think they carry some relevance for men as well, particularly the STD rates and likelihood that your despoiled bride will divorce you. If anyone has the male stats pleas post them.

>degenracy

I see those books have certainly made you an intelligent man.

>momentary happiness

Do you eat gruel for every meal too because eating anything tasty is a waste and ultimately fleeting?

Here's a thought faggot: memories last forever. I have the memories of wonderful sexual encounters to carry with me forever. Don't give me this "momentary" nonsense.

Is there no one on this board with half a brain?

>Here's a thought faggot: memories last forever. I have the memories of wonderful sexual encounters to carry with me forever. Don't give me this "momentary" nonsense.

I take it you never have forgotten anything.

>It's an episode where we pretend simpsons is still relevant

Yes but your moral judgements have no basis in any well-accepted moral system.

Not in a Kantian system.
Not in a Utilitarian system.
Not in a Rawlsian system.

Your morals are based on your own subjective feelings - which is not a suitable grounding for a moral system.

Sup Forums is as bad when it comes to "muh feelings" as the liberals it despises.

But go live your life, look for your saint. You won't find one.

Life is to be lived. And lived not in a perpetual state of self-abnegation. But if the feelings of moral superiority that come with self-denial trump the utility of sex then continue along in your way.

Certain memories you hold til death.

>Your morals are based on your own subjective feelings - which is not a suitable grounding for a moral system.

I have been citing objective data points, not my feelings. If you want subjective morality read Sartre.

>Life is to be lived. And lived not in a perpetual state of self-abnegation. But if the feelings of moral superiority that come with self-denial trump the utility of sex then continue along in your way.

Pic related

Yes but your you are implicitly applying value judgements with the stats you present.

An increased rate of divorce is meaningless without your presupposition that divorce is a bad and immoral thing.

Stop trying to have it both ways.

When you visit a memory you edit it. Every time you think back to your cherished event you change your memory of it. Our brains are fleshy and fallible. That's why you have to be very careful to not implant memories during interrogations and psychoanalysis.

Same as the stupid Kantian argument that by acting and being bound morally one is more free.

Being a slave to self-denial because it elicits feelings of superiority is no better than being a slave to carnal passion. All acts are driven by perceived utility gain. Some people get off on feelings of superiority, some get off on fucking women.

It's irrelevant anyways - there is not free will.

He presented statistics showing the negative impacts of divorce in .

>Yes but your you are implicitly applying value judgements with the stats you present.

Yes some outcomes are better than others. You can base this on objective or subjective criteria.

>An increased rate of divorce is meaningless without your presupposition that divorce is a bad and immoral thing.

Bad.
>huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/mens-health-divorce_n_4018432.html
>

The paper, titled “The Influence of Divorce on Men’s Health,” concluded that divorced and unmarried men have mortality rates up to 250 percent higher than married men. The causes of premature death for divorced men include cardiovascular disease, hypertension and stroke. Divorced men are also more prone to various diseases, ranging from common colds to life-threatening health problems like cancer and heart attacks.

>theweek.com/articles/466107/9-negative-effects-divorce-reportedly-children
>9. An early death
And rounding out the dreary research is an eight-decade study and book called The Longevity Project by Howard Friedman and Leslie Martin. Starting in 1921, researchers tracked some 1,500 boys and girls throughout their lives. More than one-third of the participants experienced either parental divorce or the death of a parent before the age of 21. But it was only the children of divorced families who died on average almost five years earlier than children whose parents did not divorce. The deaths were from causes both natural and unnatural, but men were more likely to die of accidents or violence. Generally, divorce lowered the standard of living for the children, which made a particular difference in the life longevity of women.

Now I do draw a value judgement from these things. Poorer health is objectively worse than good health. I think it's rational and admirable to try to keep your kids, your spouse, and yourself healthier.

>negative

Yes with the application of a value system.

Now weigh that negative against the utility gained by engaging in sexual activity. The health benefits, the mental happiness benefits, the benefits of having experience to better pleasure your future spouse, the physical pleasure benefits, and so forth.

And be sure to apply an appropriate discount factor. Nothing like abstaining from sex till marriage and dying a virgin at age 31.

All women are whores.

Feminism has ruined gender relations.

It's a Jewish plot to destroy the Western civilization and the White race.

Now look at the health benefits of sex, and also the suicide statistics of sexually repressed virgins.

Don't present me a one-sided analysis.

>It's irrelevant anyways - there is not free will.

Free will arguments are just exercises in confirmation bias. Every point can and will be used to prove or disprove free will.

.>Being a slave to self-denial because it elicits feelings of superiority is no better than being a slave to carnal passion.

Self-denial is very often self-discipline. You don't always do it for a feeling of superiority.

>All acts are driven by perceived utility gain.

That's not necessarily true. You've read Kant so you know there are other motivations. Deontology covers them.

>It's okay to hurt others to benefit me
You can't honestly pretend a society in which everyone thought like you would be an agreeable place to live.

The utility of living in a functioning society with enough moral sense not to screw you over so carelessly as you would others outweighs any pleasure you'd be able to derive from such a system.

>muh jews

You'd think Sup Forums would be grateful for Jews.

The West would be nothing without their contributions to philosophy, math, science, technology, etc.

Where exactly are you getting that out of what I said?

All acts are selfish. Self-denial is selfish, as is eating a donut or fucking a whore.

Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.

Anyways I'm out.

Go find your virgins.

>Now look at the health benefits of sex, and also the suicide statistics of sexually repressed virgins.

I clearly think sex is a healthy and reasonable thing to do in a marriage. Outside of those confines the risks that I have provided above become countervailing.

If you have the suicide statistics of basement dwellers feel free to post them.

>Don't present me a one-sided analysis.

We are here to debate each other. I am asserting my thesis, providing evidence, and attempting to refute yours. I am not going to argue your side for you.

The part were you said that the benefits of your promiscuous sex outweighed the defined negatives of divorce on a spouse and children.

He's gone.

>contributions to philosophy

The primary reason why they should be hated.

Things Jews are responsible for:
feminsim
socialism
cultural Marxism
multiculturalism
globalism
anti-white racism

And that's not even the tip of the icebergstein.

So I should avoid having sex today because 30 years from now I might have a kid and I might divorce and it might have negative consequences for them?

The whole idea is absurd on its face.

Do you avoid eating shitty foods because it might give you a heart attack 30 years from now and your future kid might have to go through the trauma of having his lardass father die?

Gas yourself.

Not an argument

It's an argument that you should gas yourself.