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>13 draws

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you see a draw, I see an undefeated team, la

>26 without defeat
how can we break these lads?

And still more trophies than rest of the league sans Chelsea.

>literally highest amount of draws in the entire EPL

Got to build a solid defensive foundation first la

5 league goals conceded in 2017 is pretty impressive desu

Next season most of those draws will become wins and Man Utd will run away with the league

But they have been defeated and will lose out on CL football again kek

united will have at least 90 points next season.

>fifth
>5th, as in 5 the numerical character

>inb4 draws 1:1 to Celta in Spain
>draws 0:0 at home and goes to final
>le tactical mastermind billion pound Tony Pulis man

You cant become an artist without learning how to draw.

He's going for the record.

Kek'd at both

Liverpool are going to slip again aren't they?

>50 goals

Fucking state of this cunt

Do you guys ever think about the deterioration of manchester united?

When sir alex was the manager, this type of shit never happened. They always played "positive" football, and felt so fucking smug about it. And now you see customers boast of mourinho being a mastermind. Do they have no shame?

No comment

*draws towards the Europa League*

>They always played "positive" football
That's fucking bullshit. Fergie was as pragmatic as Mouyes.

I was about to say this. It's sad to see a great offensive team turned into an expensive Stoke.

>muh possession
Slovakia getting this annoyed.

u wot m8, Fergie had games far worse than this against City. I still remember the away loss that pretty much won the title for City in 2012.

>game in hand against swanshit to go a point above liverpool
>Europa league against Celtic Virgo and then The Artist Formerly Known as Ajax

No, he wasn't, especially not with other english teams. He would have played to win this fucking match, while the failed one was playing for a fucking draw.

>that liverpool defence
wew lad

Brilliant desu

Equally annoyed at Guardiola, everyone knew >mouyes was going to cowardly park three buses. But having your GK have most of the ball is extreme

The league is long gone and top 4 is wide open, their priority is EL, so why bothering more than needed while couple of your key players are missing, you can't afford anymore injuries and losing one point would do more harm.

>english teams
>City
Come on.

it's the rules of the game. you need to move on, frustration won't get you anywhere.

>tfw to intelligent to win against united D team

The only positive >mouyes offered over Van Gaal was "more attractive football" initially. It's safe to say now that this ship has sailed long ago

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>tf
>tt
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Manure with Ferguson was the same, but they had the extra time meme bullshit

>literally bragging about completely impotent draws against local rivals
Not suprised that >mouyes' fanboys (You and Germany) are the only ones still here, you know what to expect of him. Paying customers are getting scammed hard

united fans hailing this as a mighty tactical victory when they have infact been reduced to stoke levels

Outside of...
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Comparing current Manure to Van Laals shitfest is insane.

>"The only positive >mouyes offered over Van Gaal was "more attractive football" initially"

He shored up the defence pretty well.

Griezmann, Verratti, Dybala and Neymar next season la
100 goals scored, crushing teams left and right la (next season)

They're not even the best defending team in the league while scoring less than anyone in Top 7. Meh
Why did they only compare Van Laal's 15/16 season? He had 25% more goals in his first season while getting Top 4 comfortably

nobody cares about what costumers think, their job is to buy merchandising. doubt they even watch matches
>you know what to expect of him
yes, results.
>this much seething

>Mourinho
>white
what could you expect from a typical moortuguese shitskin

>results
Like what, 5th place and Milk Cup while playing the most atrocious football imaginable and being smug about it? That would be admirable for teams like West Brom, who have one tenth of the budget and aren't much lower in the table. Manure are self-proclaimed big club, yet they play fearful like underdogs constantly. Such status comes with expectations, and drawing your way to *possible* EL Final while the league was gone in November reduced any remaining fear factor Manure had. Spurs are much terrifying opponent to face these days, any relegation shitter knows they can easily get a point against >mouyes.

Second best isn't that bad given their injury record for 2 key positions. Their only flaw for now is scoring from the tons of chances created.

>He had 25% more goals in his first season
His philosophy took time. Just like it takes time rebuilding a team completely from that, look at the other side of Manchester.

>while getting Top 4 comfortably
Almost like the league improved from then. Even memes like Spurs, Livershit and Everton got a somewhat realistic top 4 chance now.

if united actually had a competent striker and not a 35 year old who has one of the worst conversion rates in the entire league, they could be winning games.

>Second best isn't that bad
It is, when it's your sole focus. They scored 50 goals, and even half of those were just Ibrahimovic creating something out of nowhere.
>league improved
Yeah, the league that was won by Leicester previous season sure is peaking in quality. Or dominated by PL newbie Conte currently.

Lol!

Mourinho is fixing a team left in tatters after Moyes and Van Gaal. No, it won't be remembered as a vintage United season, but it's clear to anyone that things are looking up under him.

If >mouyes wasn't bailed out by Ibrahimovic constantly for better part of the season, they would be well below Everton right now. Why am I not surprised that Manure's only valuable player of this season gets criticized as soon as he dies and announces his intention to leave

If United's key players weren't out they could and probably would have won that tonight.

Getting a draw at a place where they don't have the best of recent records when their squad is down to it's bare bones and you're acting like tonight was a bad result?

the blame falls on players like trashford and and martial just as much

>Mourinho is fixing a team left in tatters
Nice meme. Chelsea were much worse off after the disaster >mouyes left behind yet a competent manager doesn't have problems dominating with a team that has Victor Moses as a key player.

>Leicester previous season
That's when Van Laal managed to under-perform. Before the meming exploded, it took effort for Chelsea/Arsenil/Manchester clubs to lose on top 4 place. After the Lestah thing every team sans Arsenil improved, yet Mouyes improved most of the stats by at least 20%. Only the "taking chances" part left.

>If >mouyes wasn't bailed out by Ibrahimovic constantly for better part of the season, they would be well below Everton right now.
Or they would play different tactics. Last two games without Zlatan weren't too bad, not counting this one.

>but it's clear to anyone that things are looking up under him.
he will be sacked within the next two seasons
classic moyes style

>Yeah, the league that was won by Leicester previous season sure is peaking in quality

In terms of competitiveness, it's definitely improved. 66 points got 4th last season. Now even 75 points may not guarantee top 4.

Mourinho won Chelsea their first title in half a decade too.

His final season was down to players downing tools. He never wanted to go back to Chelsea anyway, the United job has always been his dream.

Not saying I rate Trashford or Martial highly (not at all, to be frank) but perhaps the cause is how >mouyes sets them up. If your finishing is as bad as Manure's this season, there's no way it's just bad luck or players being chokers.

Why do you get an England flag and I don't?

>Slovakia
>Football opinions

This.

Is there a more irrelevant country in Europe?

because you touch yourself at night

>Van Laal managed to under-perform
As did everyone. >mouyes' improvements aren't nearly as significant as what Conte has done to Chelsea or Koeman to Everton. Even Klopp improved massively compared to year before. Give Tony Pulis the same team and same budget and he would do the same, ironically enough playing the same football as well. The only comparable managerial failures this year are Wenger's Arsenal and Guardiola. Not counting Ranieri

"Big teams not choking as hard anymore" doesn't mean there's a sudden rise in quality. Chelsea are far from perfect and they have several shitters with guaranteed places in starting XI and yet they've been first for how long now? 22 matchweeks? Once Abra gives Conte some of that Russian mob money to spend I don't see how Manure could possibly compete with them in 17/18

>tottenham
>highest GD, fewest games lost, fewest goals conceded, second most goals scored
how? What did Pochettino do to make a bunch of literally who, youth players, and two above average belgian defenders play so well?

>Conte has done to Chelsea
Took over a team who won the title a season ago and threw a fit, spent 100million and led them back to the title without European football while the usual title rivals are rebuilding completely.

>Koeman to Everton
That was pretty good.

>Even Klopp improved massively compared to year before.
Eh, I'd rather wait for the end of the season. Besides in his first he finished worse than fucking Rodgers and only did well in cups.

>Give Tony Pulis the same team and same budget and he would do the same
Try recruiting world class players when your name is Pulis.

Out of the top 7 managers only Poch did something special given his means.

>Once Abra gives Conte some of that Russian mob money to spend
Not much would change. They are pretty close to the peak you can reach with his tactics.

Because he's a good manager, duh. Appointing the corpse of Mourinho instead of Poch is the equivalent of signing Pogba instead of Kante

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>2 points behind Liverslip with a game in hand

Habbening

playing 20 matches less is a bit easier desu

MUH INJURIES

Spurs managed to still thump teams 4-0 week in and out without their (literally) ONLY goal scorer, both of their main centre backs, and their main wide player (Rose) injured for a good portion of the season.

They managed this with youth academy graduates and fucking Son Hyeung Min. Manchester United Corp. have zero excuses. They are just plainly shit and don't have a manager like Pochettino who knows how to work around set backs.

Unfortunately Liverslip are against teams with literally nothing to play for (there is Boro but that's the last game, where they'll be no doubt relegated)

But you never know with them lot. Feel like United will need at least 12/15 points in the remaining games to seal it. With the remaining fixtures I don't see it happening.

It is not even a country duh

>those United fixtures

not happening

If it was just a "fit", they certainly didn't seem to improve much under Hiddink. Truth is they were dying of >mouyes' cancer and it took someone enthusiastic as Conte to slap their faces, get rid of the >mouyes stench and revolutionize playing system (that is now being copied by half of EPL btw). And Chelsea haven't even began to rebuild, there are still flop purchases like Pedro lingering around. Even Costa is basically holding them back now
>Try recruiting world class players
Not what Manure did anyway, pricetag means nothing anymore

>Klopp
>Do well in cups

Pick one/uno/EINS

>Poch: 0 (zero) career titles
>Mourinho: 24 (twenty-four)
>somehow Pochettino is the real deal
tottenham is a typical english team drilled to get results on the PL. Hence their poor record in Europe and having harry kane as best player.
it's good work from pocho but you can't really say they're at United's or even City's level. Hell, even Conte is probably a better overall manager

Kante is a meme player desu
>bad first touch
>tackle the ball back
>run around brainlessly
>horrible passing


Fellaini, yes this Fellaini made a fool of him last week

Then perhaps >mouyes shouldn't throw his A side against every single EL shitter from Slovakia or Hungary. I mean he barely beats them with his A side, but that is another story

>m-muh past achievements
We've been through this, all >mouyes has to show for him now is the past. There's a reason why we don't address him as Mourinho anymore

this I agree completely with. Selling Morgan and Bastian and keeping Fellaini is the stupidest thing a manager can do. It is literally Brendan Rodgers level bullshit.

>Conte invented 3-5-2
tired of this meme desu

I know this is a strange concept to a customer - laziest players in the whole league with least ground covered, often just standing in front of their own goal - but a workhorse like him is crucial in modern football, all CL semifinalists have one (Khedira, Bakayoko, Casemiro, whoever does that at Atletico maybe Gabi). It's no coincidence that he will become the first PL player to win back-to-back titles with two different teams. And I was comparing him to >pogba anyway, come on

Toby Alderweireld is their best player though

Also Moussa Dembele is criminally underrated, I honestly think he is better than Kante. Stronger, equally as good at tackling but with much better passing

Hit a real rough patch from like October to December - couldn't be arsed checking the exact dates - but they've been pretty fucking solid since then.

Comfortably the best defensive organisation in the league. Bailly with the highest upside of any defender in the league by a fucking mile.

Need more dynamism up front, but they're definitely on their way to building a side that's going to be imposing and very difficult to stop.

Anyone who can't see that is as blind to football as it gets.

He certainly made it popular, not his fault EPL is tactically a decade behind. And his Juve were first to have significant success with it since the 90s perhaps
I stopped questioning Manure transfers long ago, you'll just go crazy if you try to think of reasons behind them

english pinball league

>Comfortably the best defensive organisation in the league
Spurs back 4 even with their backups (Trippier, etc) shit all over them

I'm not a customer, but the Kante meme is getting out of hand. If you really want to see a complete and good midfielder check Wanyama, Dembele or Herrera. They are the three best in the PL now probably.

If you at least talk shit, not just talk fifa level bullshit. Bakayoko is quite good on the ball and he is more of the powerhouse in the MF, Fabinho does the running around, but also he is good with the ball. Khedira doesn't cover as much distance as Kante, not nearly. And in atletico Saul does the most work. If a midfield is well organized, and the players best abilities can come out, then a meme player like Kante is uninportant. Check the french national team. Kante is not even a starter for them. He is only good for the counter-attacking football. Every other times, he gets exposed. Like when mourinho blocked the half space and made chelsea keep the ball and have static attacks. That was a tactical genius of him.

it would've been nice to see a United side with Rojo and Pogba instead of Blind and Fella. They would've been faster, and maybe would've tried to attack a bit. This mach was time wasted this way. Sadly.

United have conceded 5 goals in 5 months of Premier League football.

Of course they do, their CBs are unparalleled in PL. But let the customers spout their Bailly memes, no point arguing

>english champion in 2015
>his team is about to be champion again, if the administrator they hired manage to not fuck it up
>past

>There's a reason why we don't address him as Mourinho anymore
that's just frustration because he picked United. You're just letting sentiment dictate your views. Mourinho is a football man, not a club man, and one day you'll be able to tell your little slovakian grandchildren you witnessed the most based and accomplished manager in the history of the game career. You won't care about him bringing United back to the top then, his effect will probably wear out a few years after he leaves.
>Bastian
>signs for Chicago Bulls
>I can still play at the top level doing it for money la
>Toby Alderweireld
couldn't even tell who he is. that's tottenham's level.

you know the winner of the europa lel goes to champions, right?

>that's tottenham's level.
No, that just shows you're a massive pleb.

I don't know him, k?
relax

do you actually believe that what happened today was >defensive organization in any way, shape or form? cheesus christ letting manshit players walk into your box unharmed and wait for them to slip over their own feet is not defensive organization. Just because they didnt score it doesn't mean you defended well, not even close. It was pathetic display of positioning above everything

I love Toby but I have to hop on that BBBailly hype train.

>Crazy recovery speed
>Insane jumping ability, springs like a salmon and stays in the air forever
>Unbeatable 1v1
>Ridiculously aggressive front foot defending without the usual brainless African stuff
>Ice cold on the ball

Even his positioning is good. An African defender with good positioning. It's literally never happened before. The stars have aligned to gift us the most natural defensive talent in football history.

he even makes the dipshit Blind look like a good defender sometimes.

You got mental illness if you don't rate bailly desu

>Wanyama, Dembele
Rate them all highly, same with Kante.
>Bakayoko, Fabinho
Hard to tell between those two, only seen Monaco in CL. Since ground covered stat is not available, their tackling is pretty much identical and while Bakayoko does more duels and interceptions while Fabinho does the key passing and creates chances, I'll theoretically stick to Bakayoko as the workhorse.
>Khedira doesn't cover as much distance
Who does? Khedira obviously doesn't have the physique considering age and history of being crippled, but fulfills the same role. Perhaps with more intelligence and experience
>he is only good for the counter-attacking football
Good thing that such playstyle now dominates football then, right? Look how the CL semi-finalists (Madrid's style being questionable) approach the game, how do leaders of top 5 leagues with one expection play. Possession football is dead, Barcelona being the prime example. Manure and City have the most possession in PL and they're both shit. And talking of France NT, it's no coincidence they lost to counter-attacking Portugal too. One could say they would be better of playing fast direct football with Kante instead fucking around with >poobag.
For such football (as evident by PL-winning sensation Lester and Chelsea) Kante is a key component.

Spurs have conceded 4 and 2 less overall than Yanited.

They're decent defensively but if you're really going to claim an adequate Bailly and his chucklefuck friends are the best defenders in the prem you are delusional customer

Basti had to leave because Mou wouldn't have played him. As a 32-year-old World champion it is pretty devastating to sit on the bench of the english >6th placed team, but out of loyalty he didn't move to an other european club, and out of dignity he didn't go to china, The MLS was the best choice left IMO.

unironically this