New Universal Basic Income thread

Jace Martinez
Jace Martinez

New Universal Basic Income thread.

Summary of argument for so far:

1. Scrap welfare, use the money previously spent on welfare and the bureaucracy of the system to fund UBI

2. UBI pays out a breadline amount to each citizen, not enough to live off, but enough to provide sustenance and shelter

3. Citizens find work to earn money to provide a quality of life above the breadline, UBI provides a safety net for those who cannot find work, want to pursue further education, need to leave a job due to exploitation or incapacity, or who wish to utilise skills to earn money from self employment, invention or creative arts without risking destitution should the project fail. This unconditional safety net will fuel creation and invention for those who would not otherwise have the time to do so due to needing to work.

4. More citizens feel more financially secure and are therefore more likely to pay money into the economy on things people on the breadline would normally avoid to save money

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Ryder Foster
Ryder Foster

OR...or...cut welfare and stop there.

Eli Morales
Eli Morales

Loom at the ghetto an welfare and multiply that times 5 and yeah. Yes we fuck off but your not getting any money is a private event and your not tall enough

Nathaniel Phillips
Nathaniel Phillips

Not an option, many people die.

You may not care but on the whole society will deem this a bad thing.

William Kelly
William Kelly

Be me
get $5000 in basic income
have job earn additional $3000 from 40h workweek job
guberment has to pay for everyones basic income
takes $2000 from my job in taxes
why am I fucking working

Aiden Adams
Aiden Adams

wat

Jackson Martinez
Jackson Martinez

Cut all welfare, food stamps and housing.

Shelters with 7 PM curfews and mandatory labor until able to get education or a better job, only.

Kayden Nguyen
Kayden Nguyen

They can walk to Mexico or Canada then.

Adrian Stewart
Adrian Stewart

Your country's tax rate is 66.7%?

Brandon Gonzalez
Brandon Gonzalez

Revolt more likely

Bentley Evans
Bentley Evans

Good, fight it out and get rid of the dregs.

Gavin Nguyen
Gavin Nguyen

And you'd be happy living like that?

Tyler Jackson
Tyler Jackson

Try saying that when your home/business is looted

Logan Young
Logan Young

I would never have to, not a piece of shit.

Jeremiah Reed
Jeremiah Reed

No, he'd get a fucking job.
It's more than you deserve leech.

Gavin Stewart
Gavin Stewart

It was just an (exaggerated) example.

To afford a basic livable income for every citizen above 18, the tax rate has to be fucking high.

Jaxon Ward
Jaxon Ward

Up until you lose your job to redundancy/AI/illness

Ryan Gray
Ryan Gray

gibsmedat or I keel you!

Ryan Robinson
Ryan Robinson

Yeah, but mostly nig nogs. So plus/plus if you ask me.

Landon Young
Landon Young

How many times must socialists watch socialism fail before they realize socialism is a failure?

Christopher Campbell
Christopher Campbell

I've come to realize recently that you have to be completely literal with people, I don't know why but they don't seem to understand exaggerations, metaphors or any other expressions. It's fucking irritating.

Jaxon Phillips
Jaxon Phillips

are we really discussing this? fuck socialism, fuck communism, fuck entitlement

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

No it doesn't

Projected UBI cost is equivalent to or less than the cost of current welfare system

"The UBI is to be financed by getting rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, Supplemental Security Income, housing subsidies, welfare for single women and every other kind of welfare and social-services program, as well as agricultural subsidies and corporate welfare. As of 2014, the annual cost of a UBI would have been about $200 billion cheaper than the current system. By 2020, it would be nearly a trillion dollars cheaper." - Charles Murray

Nicholas King
Nicholas King

/thread

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

sure kid

Angel Diaz
Angel Diaz

Then you get another job. Ez mode.

Zachary Gray
Zachary Gray

implying this system was tried on a national scale and failed

Xavier Lopez
Xavier Lopez

tax rate goes up
people incentivized to earn/work less, if at all
production goes down
necessities go up in price from demand.
eventually can't afford basic foods and toilet paper with basic income
more demands for free shit
repeat
everything goes to shit

Juan Martin
Juan Martin

And how do you think this shit is going to fucking work? huehue.

A ton of people who actually work for a basic living income because they lack the skills or motivation for higher paying jobs are just going to sit back and do jack shit now and enjoy their free money. Your taxes from these people fucking vanish into thin air.

William Scott
William Scott

More citizens feel more financially secure

yeah... I don't feel like paying for someone to feel more financially secure.

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

True Communism™ has never been tried before!

Landon Butler
Landon Butler

Who the fuck said 5000 dollars retard? The estimates are 10 times less than that fuck off if you can't even coherently provide a point

Cameron Harris
Cameron Harris

UBI will work in Europe but you US cunts will just get angry other races get help too. Seriously your racism situation and harsh bipartisanship will fuck up anything positive as one half of your society actively wants the other half to suffer and die just for not being them.

The US is doomed to fail.

Joshua Lewis
Joshua Lewis

So basically you are saying it is cheaper or equivalent cost to take it away from some people who are on welfare now and then give it to everyone? No wonder everyone was starving in Russia.

Brody Ortiz
Brody Ortiz

You can't enjoy UBI, it literally only covers housing and food, maybe clothes

Samuel Jenkins
Samuel Jenkins

This

Aaron Hughes
Aaron Hughes

Your country's tax rate is 66.7%?

Well, if we're now handing out cash to millions of people, it will have to be at least that much. If not more

Xavier Edwards
Xavier Edwards

Get a load of this guy I bet you refine your own oil too huh? You don't need anybody

Cameron Evans
Cameron Evans

Medicare

Wait, what? We're going to cut what is basically socialized medicine for the elderly? No, man. That's a whole other can of worms you're fucking with.

William Rivera
William Rivera

To make an extra $2,000. Are you retarded?

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

This has nothing to do with Communism

Zachary Gray
Zachary Gray

This.
You obviously understand economics and how welfare hurts the poor.

Blake Fisher
Blake Fisher

See

Jose Garcia
Jose Garcia

No it doesn't we waste enough food to feed everyone

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

OK. So this idea is to take away all forms of low income medical care (social security, medicare, medicaid), give everyone a UBI in direct funds, and then expect them to be responsible to pay for medical services when they later want/need them?
Question: exactly what type of moron are you? Or what type of idiots do you think we are? Socialism is a lie; you're trying to sell a lie. Most of us just are that dumb.

Jaxon Flores
Jaxon Flores

Then run for office and promise to scrap taxes entirely

Asher Ward
Asher Ward

Look at the retard children

Kevin Perez
Kevin Perez

Free money that "only" covers housing, food and clothes
You can't enjoy UBI
literally 70% of the population would enjoy that

Jaxson Baker
Jaxson Baker

Honestly, why are you supporting something where people get handed things before ANY work is rendered?

What makes capitalism the most successful system ever is that in order to make money you must perform a service someone else wants. It causes the system to continue to push forward even if there are roadblocks in the way.

It is immoral and breeds people to think they deserve things for nothing to do handouts like a UBI. You're inherently stealing money from one person and giving it to someone else. You teach people to actually be greedy, that "I exist therefore you have to give me things".

Christian Howard
Christian Howard

Gtfo pinko

Kevin Anderson
Kevin Anderson

receive UBI
dropped out of school because I'm good living off free gibmedats
find out if i get my girl pregnant then we get more money
get an extra $1,500 a month for each kid
have 8 kids
my friends also dropped out of school and have 8 kids
i hope all you working taxpayers never stop making money for me

Juan Foster
Juan Foster

Lol Basic income is basically nigger-tier welfare for everyone, applicable when everybody's in poverty in the coming communist utopia.

The only kicker is, if you aren't a good little serf, there won't be any jobs post-automation because robots will have phased them out, and if you get cut off, you starve to death.

A bad idea to anyone with an IQ over room temperature.

John Gomez
John Gomez

Once you get done bailing out Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal because they are living the life that is being suggested because no one works, we can talk about this apparent deeply embedded racism that only exists to the people who don't want to work here

Chase Ross
Chase Ross

See

Jacob Lopez
Jacob Lopez

Babies first communism!
no guys! We'll just redistribute the money first, just to see how that goes.

You are literally talking about breadlines. Who the fuck do you think you are fooling?

Leo Nelson
Leo Nelson

Where the fuck will you get the job? Basic income is an idea that will apply after automation of virtually every job.

And it'll be like $500 a month, not $5000. You are dreaming dude.

Alexander Garcia
Alexander Garcia

I'm not black so no skin in the game but you're wrong. Much more poor trailer trash whites receiving welfare in middle America. They receive the BULK if the welfare in this country.

Nicholas Cruz
Nicholas Cruz

10 times less then 5000
So $500 a year, that would last a week or two, and you're saying he can't make a coherent point.

Christian Johnson
Christian Johnson

UBI is not enough to live off, only to not starve

UBI isn't paid to children

Try again

Anthony Bell
Anthony Bell

Wow why can't you retard grasp the concept of not enough to live on? You really think you can live on 400 a month? You better be living in tent in the woods

Joshua Barnes
Joshua Barnes

This

The other thing that's funny about UBI is the number of people who are so out of touch with what basic living actually means. Most of the "poor" people I know drink dunkin donuts or starbucks every day, buy scratch tickets or gamble pretty often, and every one has a smartphone and a decent TV

No. That's his fucking point. You aren't supposed to be content with that

Isaiah Williams
Isaiah Williams

Dude think about it. UBI applies AFTER robots have automated all jobs. Are you comfortable making $500 cashless income per month, while there are NO jobs available, all your transactions are tracked, and there is literally no way to make a fucking cent extra to enjoy? It's basically welfare for everyone.

Adrian Lopez
Adrian Lopez

3000 - 2000 = 2000

are you fucking retarded? Maybe big shaqq can teach you some "quick mafs" while you read up on socialism you fucking imbecile.

Hunter Hall
Hunter Hall

People who wanted to work would still work. You realize how unbelievably soul crushing it is to sit around and do nothing? Keep it so only the first kid gets a free pass and they won't be able to have kids to keep them busy. Human being need to do something or they go insane

David Lewis
David Lewis

If true communism, socialism, etc, has never truly been tried, what is the difference between this true socialism/communism and the Venezuela form?

Chase Williams
Chase Williams

Fuck off you communist

Brayden Russell
Brayden Russell

Wrong. UBI will not apply until after androids take most jobs. It has been stated repeatedly over and over. Where the fuck will you get extra money to supplement your UBI? You will literally be stuck in an eternal welfare hole.

Julian Jones
Julian Jones

I guess you are that stupid, that's the whole point of this, there won't be enough jobs, why would a company hire people when they can buy a robot just once and save

Colton Martin
Colton Martin

Or I can enjoy the fruits of the free market because I'm not a lazy sack of shit

Mason Baker
Mason Baker

Then how will i feed my children? They need an opportunity to live comfortably too. Are you gonna take that away from then?

Samuel Rogers
Samuel Rogers

You keep making posts like that but the one you want people to see doesn't answer the question they asked.

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

Fuck off we dont want them either

Isaiah Hall
Isaiah Hall

Then move to a deserted island, if you are part of a country it's about working together

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

Race is not part of the discussion... piss off you piece of shit.

Nathaniel Williams
Nathaniel Williams

OK Im actually sold on this.

total welfare USA: $668,000,000,000
total poor USA: 45,000,000
each poor person receive per month: $1,237.04

I'm down with that.

NOTHING MORE
NO HEALTH CARE
NO FOOD
NO SUBSIDIES FOR ELECTRICITY/HVAC
NO HOUSING SUBSIDIES

I guarantee you that they will cry that isn't enough in 2 years TOPS.

Julian Peterson
Julian Peterson

This.
Also pretty much all old people get involuntarily put on this.

Asher Phillips
Asher Phillips

Then run for office and promise to scrap taxes entirely

I got Trump.
And Trump is enough.

Bentley Price
Bentley Price

this problem was solved thousands of years ago.

"do unto others as you would have them do onto you"
"if a man does not work, he shall not eat"

but people both capable and willing to help their own families let alone their neighbors seems to be in as short supply as people who don't foolishly squander their money these days.

Jaxson Stewart
Jaxson Stewart

You still get UBI you fucking mongoloid. You get $5,000 in ubi and $2,000 from work. Most of us would anyways but you'd be too fucking stupid.

Logan Torres
Logan Torres

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's cheaper because there is no bureaucracy and no need to police the system because it is impossible to cheat

Austin Ross
Austin Ross

Fag never said a year so go back to your trap thread

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

But then the people who don't work are going to get butthurt because the people who do work have more than them, then the government will step in and make it fair again.

Oliver Thompson
Oliver Thompson

This is the point most people are not realizing.

UBI is like being on welfare and NEVER BEING ABLE TO GET OUT.

BECAUSE THERE'S NO JOBS. ROBOTS WILL DO EVERYTHING FROM VENDING SODA TO BEING DOCTORS

Do you see how much the communist utopia will fucking suck yet?

Benjamin Parker
Benjamin Parker

Thing is, once we implement UBI, and yes sadly we have our compassionless short sighted retards too, Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal will be way better off.

What people forget is that UBI doesn't just benefit the poor; it enables the poor to spend money which will go directly into the profit margins of whatever company they'll spend on.

UBI money will lead to greater automatisation of former minimum-wage jobs, increasing productivity like crazy.

Again, as long as you are not personally opposed to seeing the poorest happier, UBI is the future.

Eli Powell
Eli Powell

It won't work while we still have a system of capitalism in place.

Basically, what would end up happening is the capitalist class would ruin it for everyone.
They would just raise prices on everything knowing the bottom few percentages can now participate in the economy, effectively adding more demand. More demand = higher prices.

It would have to come with controls on rent and food... which is dangerously close to controlled markets. Which have never been successful ever.

But don't get me wrong, I do believe this idea is part of the not so distant future.

Josiah Mitchell
Josiah Mitchell

its close to that between income, state, property, sales tax, healthcare premiums which are a tax as well

Liam Gutierrez
Liam Gutierrez

The OP hasn't established a system. He's just presented one portion of an idea, which leaves large gaps. Of course this implimented with 0 anything else wouldn't work.

The comprehensive suite includes the following:
Basic income
Free health care
Free education
Higher taxation on the wealthy
Taxation based on total wealth as opposed to income
Reduction of major loopholes in the tax code/an unavoidable "baseline" tax for the super-rich

This pretty much sews up any holes. You then have to have the necessary discussion of "who gets how much of what", which I personally set as:

Basic Income
Each state must offer per-person funding equal to either the poverty line of their state or the national poverty line, whichever is higher. This funding would be re-evaluated yearly at tax season and reduced at about a 1:2 ratio to the money you pull in yourself.
Free health care
Single-payer for the nation, maybe per-state rates.
Free education
Up through your first Bachelors.
Tax stuff
Basically, if you're in the lower 2/5ths of society, you don't get taxed on anything besides sales taxes. Period. The upper 3/5ths start with a baseline, unavoidable 10% tax on their wealth, maybe with a similar "wade-in" zone as the UBI so the shock isn't so bad. The super rich get taxed harder because nobody needs to gold-plate their second yacht and trickle-down's a fucking joke. I haven't done the extra math up here, but a flat 10% tax on wealth generates a SHITLOAD of money from the upper 3/5ths. Much more than we pull in now. Then you impose massive penalties for keeping wealth/businesses/etc off-shore.

I'm sick and exhausted but:
tl;dr
UBI is just one piece of a puzzle.

Easton Price
Easton Price

The problem arises that due to how business operates, the money granted will be immediately exploited and become nullified as an actual income. Not to mention that poverty begets crime, and any housing affordable with universal income will be the worst ghetto ever seen.

The idea is total crap. Maybe when we are all pushed out of value by robotic AI it will be a novel idea to have rationing of living and foods, but the suicide rate will skyrocket as people become depressed and feel their lives are valueless.

The ambitious people will be the only ones to survive.

Jeremiah Ortiz
Jeremiah Ortiz

What? Then they aren't poor

Most of the poor people I know drive proches hurrr

William Allen
William Allen

user stop lying. If you could you'd stay on your animu shitposting boards all day and we know it.

Aaron Perry
Aaron Perry

$5000

Delusional. This would cost over 2 trillion a year in the USA alone.

It will be more like $300-$500 per month. We are talking permanent poverty amounts here, couples with robots taking all the jobs. Use your head. UBI is another communist shitscheme that looks good on paper, but will be an utter disaster in real life.

Joseph Scott
Joseph Scott

I always thought a government single payer healthcare system coupled with a monthly distributed UBI, with a higher capital gains tax and a progressive estate tax that kicks in only for greater than 50% lifetime average UBI income, with a bonus calculated using a tax revenue and a GDP based multiplier would work better, as it creates an incentive to make the country succeed that is a direct incentive, and a motivation to make an estate for your children (since by definition UBI income only recipients will have very small savings). There will always be chav welfare kings/queens living solely off the dole.

Easton Perry
Easton Perry

Robots already will take over most menial jobs. You think the rich care about the jobs the poor keep? Factory workers are fucked regardless, so let's at least keep them alive and housed. Homeless are more expensive than people with a menial income.

Ryan Gomez
Ryan Gomez

Why so triggered? Where did the bad man touch you?

Brody Harris
Brody Harris

70% of the population would enjoy sitting on the floor in an empty room eating bread and literally nothing else

Easton Diaz
Easton Diaz

UBI is just one piece of a puzzle

We'll that didn't last long.

We went from basic, suplimental income to full nanny in under 50 posts.

I swear, communism spreads faster than cancer.

Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

In most places that would cover rent and utilities, personal insurances, and have a few hundred left over for groceries and luxuries.

UBI is p. fuckin' neato.

William Jones
William Jones

And after those two years, OP will be back with a post arguing for Welfare Programs.

Ethan Scott
Ethan Scott

Not even a good sarcastic comeback just don't even post next time

Jayden Robinson
Jayden Robinson

Im going off another anons example to show the fallacy in their thinking. Read the fucking thread before posting utter garbage.

Asher Parker
Asher Parker

Those with UBI will be literal slaves.

All cashless money, every transaction checked and recorded.

No jobs, no ability to make a single cent more than daddy gubment says you can make for your given social class.

No private property, no car ownership. You will rent bicycles in agenda 21 cities and blockhouses.

Good luck to those of you with children. Good luck to them.

Gabriel Rivera
Gabriel Rivera

Welcome to the TerraFoam.

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

Get out

Ian Hall
Ian Hall

Ahahahahahaha, no.

Humans are fundamentally lazy, myself included. It takes mental effort to overcome laziness to get shit done, and given the option of risk-free laziness, I guarantee you most people will take the option of being lazy, ESPECIALLY if their work is shit. Once you get older and don't have the energy to fuck about all the time, not doing anything feels GREAT. And we have literally thousands of boredom killers at our fingertips on the internet/phones.

Do you want to know how many people like their jobs? Its like 20% or less based on polls that asked about. No one wants to shovel shit, collect trash, or put their hands up peoples asses for a living. Most people work because they have to or the money lets them live like they are used to / want to.

John Perez
John Perez

What would you need the extra money for? If everything is done by robots we won't need to spend money on anything because the robots will do it for us for free, including build robots.

Levi Murphy
Levi Murphy

Cut all welfare. If people are hungry, they can get white rice from the government, thats it.

Get to work motherfuckers. The Publix in town has like 5 downies working there, but you cant because of your anxiety, or your ouchies and sickies. get fucked.

Jonathan Lee
Jonathan Lee

The record of history is absolutely crystal clear that there is no alternative way of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by free enterprise.
youtube.com/watch?v=TEcDoblaqGE

Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

Remove all forms of welfare.
Remove minimum wage.

Was that so hard?

Matthew White
Matthew White

How are you going to afford the internet/phone without a job? UBI only covers somewhere to live and something to eat.

Lucas Brown
Lucas Brown

Share that quote with the post modernists

Robert Wright
Robert Wright

They Myth Of Central Planning

youtube.com/watch?v=VT5X9RE-ZDU

Robert Sullivan
Robert Sullivan

In most places that would cover rent and utilities, personal insurances,

In the most populate state: CA, you're looking at $700 a month for non-subsidized health care alone.

Life is alot different for un-subsidized people.

Colton Williams
Colton Williams

sell weed.

Isaac Reed
Isaac Reed

full nanny
implying medical corporations in America aren't a fucking scam
implying undergraduate education in America isn't both a joke and a scam
implying the super-rich are somehow above both law and decency

I'm not mandating everyone be forced into the same everything with the same pay. That's actual communism. This is just some baseline socialist ideas/ideals that will actually make capitalism healthier.

All cashless money
Except that's not how that works at all. UBI is (supposed to be) flat cash you can use for whatever. Withdraw your $20 and go spend it on whatever.
No jobs
What are the creative fields, the delicate fields, any form of education, any form of machine repair, any form of programming, etc.
No private property
Lol fucking what? UBI = cash for you with no strings that you can use. Stop injecting your shit ideas into it.

Hunter Green
Hunter Green

By working to afford them until they are 18, you lose your job you share your bread

Connor King
Connor King

I'm in California and have paid as little as $150 for basic health care, un-subsidized. I currently pay $300 for comprehensive, still un-subsidized. So I guess fuck you?

Parker Sanders
Parker Sanders

Communism by another name. Stupid idea.

Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

Won't be zero jobs you can still make and sell shit, use your fucking hands and learn a skill, people are still gonna want the PlayStation ten and nobody likes sitting at home all day everyday, ironically except for the people who use this site denouncimg it

Carter Fisher
Carter Fisher

You're forgetting all the other pieces: one world government, the realization of world peace, no criminal activities, and all the flying unicorns shitting out gold.
You should find a high building and practice flying unicorn.

Wyatt Cook
Wyatt Cook

500 a month will not even cover rent. You need to leave momma's house and see what things cost. It would have to be at least 2000 a month to be able to live on.

Tyler Cox
Tyler Cox

Lists "impossibles" as if it counters my list of things that some very successful European governments are already doing literally today
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Joshua Davis
Joshua Davis

Aren't we slaves already? Our entire generation is more or less forced into higher education leading into debts that the less successful of us can never pay off.

If I have to choose between unliveable slavery and slavery under better conditions I will choose the latter. You are free to try and fight our position as slaves but the power structure is, by now, so extremely asymmetrical that there is no way an individual will challenge the powers that be even for a bit.

So what's left is objectively looking at the quality of life you are allowed to get. I just need a home, booze, food, entertainment, some drugs now and again and hopefully some pussy. More than that is literally impossible to get under the current and unbreakable power structures.

Ayden Harris
Ayden Harris

Live in canada, currently pay zero for healthcare

Jeremiah Baker
Jeremiah Baker

You pay, you're just too stupid to realize it.

Kevin Russell
Kevin Russell

I don't pay income tax at the moment because student
So no I really don't

Jason Gray
Jason Gray

Fucking Canada: up there living the dream, and mostly in English.

Ethan Long
Ethan Long

It's not crap, have you even check out how the EU is handling it

Adam Collins
Adam Collins

Most people here say UBI is going to provide 300 - 500 dollars a month

So if that's going to pay for housing and food. What they really mean by "housing" is those chinese factory housings where they live like 10 people in a room with the size of a small prison cell.

Ryder Cruz
Ryder Cruz

Oh so you're a leech and an idiot.

Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

UBI rules:

Must have national picture ID card to receive UBI.
Lose vote if receiving UBI.
Cannot buy alcohol/drugs/tobacco while on UBI.
UBI replaces section 8, welfare, foodstamps
Lose UBI if you commit any crime.
Have to report to UBI officer who assigns you community service 5 days a week if unemployed (can be remote report if you have phone), lose UBI if you don't do service.
Mandatory sterilization to sign up.
If physically/mentally fit and of proper age, signing up for UBI puts you at the front of the draft list if we go to war and need to reinstate the draft.

Carson Cox
Carson Cox

I was wrong
Better resort to childish antics

Levi Cook
Levi Cook

Cold dead hands.

James Cooper
James Cooper

How are you going to pay for it dipshit?

Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

Which is more than the unemployed deserve.

Joshua Clark
Joshua Clark

I have to clean my room so I'm a slave
Why don't you try being an actual slave in some third world shithole if it doesn't matter then?
You are right though, someone with your attitude is doomed to live in inadequacy.

My advice, skip the bullshit college classes and find a trade skill you like or can stand and pick that up instead. You'll be much better off.

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

indeed

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

I don't pay income tax

And you have income?

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

But they are probably imagining something quite different those "people" who like this idea

Ryan Kelly
Ryan Kelly

Sometimes I have trouble getting an erection, I also fantasize about my girlfriend getting fucked by other men.

Daniel Bell
Daniel Bell

You're suggesting criminal activities then... working but now claiming income? or are to suggesting you'd start a business, charge more than expenses, then... wait... that sounds like capitalism... You almost got me retard.

Kevin Jenkins
Kevin Jenkins

What about the disabled and family who care for them ? are they to be left on the 'breadline' forever ? doe's this UBI cover the costs of essential goods, refrigerator, cooker etc ?

Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

What are you talking about retard? wow, how is ubi going to force me to stay at home, as shit as it is at least it's a new point, idiot

Robert Moore
Robert Moore

UBI replaces section 8, welfare, foodstamps

YES.

Absolutely no other assistance from tax payers.

NOTHING

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

These guys are complete idiots

Brody Cooper
Brody Cooper

So what would you do if you got $15,000 a year for food and housing assistance?

Ian Edwards
Ian Edwards

And this is why we're fucked: greed, pure and simple.

Mason Collins
Mason Collins

How are you going to afford to grow weed? If it's illegal you'll need to keep it hush, if it's legal everyone will be growing it.

Samuel Butler
Samuel Butler

I approve this message

John Thomas
John Thomas

go away commie

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

I'm an actor, so I'd start the podcast I've always wanted to launch, audition a shit-ton, pursue the hobbies I've always wanted to, and drive Lyft on the side to get a nest egg going so eventually I could afford trips to New York or a new car or something.

Hunter Perry
Hunter Perry

Only work enough to shitpost. I'm not some scrub like the normies paying their taxes! Finally, no more mommy! I can get my own tendies!

Dylan Williams
Dylan Williams

Implying that's not an arbitrary value because the insurance companies and pharma are 69ing each other and it can't be changed with some words on a paper

Wew lad

Ryan Wood
Ryan Wood

Thing is, and this may not be true for the US, I was forced to pick my own path in life at age 14 while still in high school. I chose media which at the time was a lucrative career path and, sadly, failed. Now I'm into debt and disallowed from following any further education unless I can fully afford it on my own which is impossible without an educated job.

Sure, you can say my failure makes me deserve to be destitute but honestly I think it's too optimistic to assume only those deserving of failure actually fail; sometimes life catches you off guard.

So what do you say to those disenfranchised either due to mental illness or due to a changing economical milieu? Just fuck you?

Homeless are expensive and gulags are for reds and fascists, so how to help?

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

Honestly, if that's how people want to live, let them. More jobs for the average man with ambition.

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

It isn't Communism, it's using the Capitalist system to ensure all citizens' basic human rights

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

You want other peoples stuff and call them greedy. Funny innit.

Elijah Morales
Elijah Morales

You think the guy who grows it sells it too? Man you are ten levels too dumb to even be talking about politics brah.
My shit ain't taxed neither.

Liam Williams
Liam Williams

Exactly... you're paying for it... You're either too stupid or blind to see how. The funds for your "free" stuff is taken by the Canadian government from the economy around you. Even if you say you're not paying directly or indirectly, you're paying because of the loss opportunity of those funds in the economy. You are also paying because as a citizen of Canada you share in the national debt. Deficits are simply debts against future taxes that you (or at the least the community around you) will pay.. and pay dearly.

Nathan Russell
Nathan Russell

UBI needs a way to channel greed to support the UBI.. You don't have to work, not working isn't actually bad, but working provides purpose and life value and provides a path to satisfy that greed impulse.

Easton Lopez
Easton Lopez

Fuck yeah!

Ryder Cook
Ryder Cook

You want to live in and use a society but aren't willing to pay the basic rent (taxes) required to upkeep it, but you call the poor greedy. Funny innit.

Nolan Butler
Nolan Butler

Wow you are a stupid person when did I say anything criminal you fucking fool? you just add parts in your head to feel right? You literally said nothing of substance, retard

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

average man with ambition.
The average man wants to keep his paycheck... Not fork it over to mid-functioning autists like yourself.

Henry Foster
Henry Foster

So basically you are going to tax money that someone had leftover from last year. You are taxing the same assets over and over until they disappear. Therefore farmers and corporations could not afford to stay in business, and your tax base dries up and your system collapses.

Isaiah Evans
Isaiah Evans

It literally says how in the first point

David Hall
David Hall

Socialists and Communists LOST this argument in the 60s.
Since then, government knows that it cannot convince people that these programs and methods work, so instead they've decided to reframe the voting blocks and create classes of people who will vote for big government out of ignorance and identity as opposed to ideas.

youtube.com/watch?v=pHcyiwhfeR8

Jordan Wood
Jordan Wood

Which is why in my suggestion () the UBI is set relatively low. Just enough to keep you housed and alive, but not enough to keep you comfortable. Want a new car? Well, you can scrimp and save a few hundred a year MAYBE, or get a job.

So all poor people are mid-functioning autists, then?

Hey, that thought totally makes sense if everyone stops making money literally right now and doesn't make another cent.

Angel Moore
Angel Moore

None of this will work... know your history. All these rules you're putting forth believing it makes your plan work will be written away by politians a couple of years later. Require ID... no, that racist. Laws will be rewritten so no ID will be necessary. Repeat for all your stupid rules/requirements. Retard.

Robert Thompson
Robert Thompson

Wew lad

That's the current cost regardless of how you think it priced.

After $700 you have $500 left over for un-subsidized housing, utilities, food, automotive (including insurance and gas), and medicine.

I'll let you search for the average costs per month on those.

I used the reported numbers from the US government to do the math; but come one, we all know that the number of 'poor' is going to skyrocket once this is passed.

So realistically, you're probably looking at $875 per month at best.

Gavin Cook
Gavin Cook

That is about double what it would be but I'd buy hookers and coke

Aiden Hall
Aiden Hall

It would penalize successful people in order to benefit the lazy, can't be bothered to try people. Sounds like communism to me

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

Oh, so you are a poor mid-functioning autist with equally poor reading comprehension?

Ethan Anderson
Ethan Anderson

Go live on an island retard, a country is so people can support each other.

Carson Hernandez
Carson Hernandez

What is the alternative to living in a society? It is illegal to live free, I am not allowed to hunt or forage for my food without a liscence and I will face punishment if I do. What is my recourse?

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

Ok, podcasting is easy and can be done by managing your time better. Obviously you have time for Sup Forums so you have time to podcast.

This is always the argument of losers, you would do something "if"...

The reality is that you are not succeeding at life and want something to give you the assurance you can't seem to get on your own.

Your life is what you earn. If you can't make the life you want for yourself, you need to come to terms with who you are, or step up and become who you want to be.

I was a lazy misdirected dumbfuck once, but I learned if I wanted stability in my life, I had to learn more, do more, and succeed more. I had to do it, and that path to success has changed me to a better person with more money, stability, a great relationship, and a lot of respect at work.

Idle hands are the devil's playground, so get to work on that podcast.

Liam White
Liam White

I guess you don't need extra money besides poverty wages. Everything will be at your fingertips in your 50 sq ft closet apartment. Good thinking user. Smart.

Kayden Perez
Kayden Perez

You tell them comrade.

Anthony Powell
Anthony Powell

If your caring for a disabled person your UBI covers the home and theirs covers the cooker. If they need specialist equipment that's a matter for the healthcare system

Logan Cox
Logan Cox

Maybe you should get universal health insurance, like MOST normal countries do?

Chase Ward
Chase Ward

Business: "Now that everyone has extra money, we'll just increase our prices by $20."

Basic Income recipients: "We need more money because everything is now more expensive."

Repeat until Venezuela

Tyler Russell
Tyler Russell

Stupid moron, enjoy the communist utopia.

Daniel Allen
Daniel Allen

Maybe you should get universal health insurance, like MOST normal countries do?

Ya sure. Why the hell not.

Eli Howard
Eli Howard

Where you gonna get weed from if no one is buying it from those who are growing it?

Luke Cooper
Luke Cooper

That 1200 you listed is double what it would be, noboy should pay 700 a month for insurance

Austin Thomas
Austin Thomas

I think I got your gist. You don't want to give a sliver of your paycheck to keep people off the streets? To make sure that the Tiny Tims out there don't die when they break their legs? Or get a cold? Or are you focused on the statistically insignificant portion of shut-ins who will "milk" the system?

See , then realize that is impractical, then accept that this is the world we live in.

You really honed in on that one idea and ignored the rest, didn't you? Of course I could shove that one thing into my life, but something would have to come out. Be it work or sleep or a hobby I've already firmly established or auditioning. It doesn't exist in my life because other, more important things do.

Colton Taylor
Colton Taylor

Yep, and it's going to breed more crime

Easton Ortiz
Easton Ortiz

Penalize hmmm
Do you know what that means 'cause you aren't using it correctly

Cooper Gray
Cooper Gray

basic rent
Sounds so reasonable compared to
gibsmedat food, housing, education, health care
All you want is to take by force surely that cannot be called tyranny. Also trust a socialist to steal your lines. Funny init.

Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

Nice argument, idiot. Arent you late for the coal mine?

Easton Foster
Easton Foster

Next you'll tell us people won't be able to buy the weed because the weed is illegal.

Tyler Barnes
Tyler Barnes

Nice comeback, retard

Parker Anderson
Parker Anderson

Yes, like an hour on Sup Forums

I left this to get my shit together and I've come back to it because I positioned myself to have the time to relax.

Putting comforts before work doesn't get you anywhere. You have to step up the ladder, which means doing more work for a period of time, growing into it, and then it becomes a norm.

You're just a complaining failure.

Michael Edwards
Michael Edwards

Same to you. Aren't you late for the bread line?

Asher Wright
Asher Wright

Taxes ONLY go to helping the greedy poor, guys!
Taxation is theft, guys!
Listen to me use the words I learned in school, on the internet
Then let me go walk/drive to the store and get my safe-to-eat food, come home for a glass of water straight from the tap, and blah blah blah

Further
Not knowing how basic wordplay works

Bentley Brooks
Bentley Brooks

Too stupid

Adrian Gomez
Adrian Gomez

Or a guy waiting for his laundry to dry.

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

Here, to make it easier the asterisk means repeat

+5000 + 3000 - 2000*

It's a cycle

Hunter Miller
Hunter Miller

I too watch YouTube.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=kl39KHS07Xc

Sebastian Peterson
Sebastian Peterson

Will capitalism work when over a fourth of the population is unable to work since their jobs got automated? Will you let a large portion of the population live in poverty from no fault of their own?
People wont have to work. Automation can do most of it. Selfdriving cars will be cheaper than truckers/taxi drivers and wont get tired. Self check out kiosks will replace servers and what retail will still be brick and mortar in a few years. Middle management can be be a bot that compares a handful of variables. Even more manufacturing, mining, and manual labor jobs will go. Tractors and harvesters can be self driving. Hell, in house blood and urine tests can replace diagnostic nurses and doctors. Pretty much all low education labor, and some middle and high education, will be just a few over seers.
Look above.
UBI is a very centrist capitalist approach. Then again, most wellfare is.
This is true
This is the dream of post scarcity socialism. Its called a utopia.
You know that wages havent followed productivity, right?

Alexander Hall
Alexander Hall

It doesn't benefit the lazy any more than it benefits anyone else. You can't afford to be lazy on UBI unless you are literally brain dead

Jose Roberts
Jose Roberts

then realize that is impractical, then accept that this is the world we live in.

Only because you retards don't even fucking try

Ryder Fisher
Ryder Fisher

That 1200 you listed is double what it would be

that's 668 billion dollars spent on welfare divided by 45,000,000 reported poor people on a per month basis

noboy should pay 700 a month for insurance

Welcome to un-subsidized, shit-tier health ins in CA

Leo Walker
Leo Walker

UBI is about job automation. It would never work in todays economy.

The idea of how the government can fund it is by taxing the robots/machines.

80% of people are out of work due to automation. Robots are not people, government taxes robots as if they are people but at 80% of human equivalent wages leaving the 20% for business profit meaning business can profit and government can fund UBI and that tax will pay for UBI and no one will bitch as the taxes is from robots.

Dominic White
Dominic White

Their wealth which they have generated by their own work will be taken away from them and used to fund this idiotic scheme = being penalized for working. I think it's you who needs to get the dictionary out.

Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

I don't know that Venezuela is corrupt as fuck

Jaxon James
Jaxon James

rambling
Sounds like your record is broken.

wordplay
Truly hilarious.

Tyler King
Tyler King

Except if UBI replaces all those forms of welfare and denies anyone receiving it the vote, then the democrats and republicans will be replaced by the right wing republicans and the extreme right wing republicans. So the laws would become stricter, not watered down.

Luis Thomas
Luis Thomas

I lose over 50% of my monthly paycheck to taxes nd bennfits so hes not far off

Jace Green
Jace Green

youtube.com/watch?v=Khka76PZA58

Sebastian Diaz
Sebastian Diaz

And why not? You can still go outside.

Asher Phillips
Asher Phillips

Ha no that shit is open all day

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart

If you'd like to come talk to me in an unregulated field, without using any roads to get there, and without using any means of communication to arrange it, let me know.

Getting the idea yet? Or do I have to spell it out for you?

Zachary Mitchell
Zachary Mitchell

Don't even fucking try to be hunting-gathering tribes? Lolwut?

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

better suggestion.

1. government regulated rent maximum aka rent cannot be 4k/month for a closet, regardless of where it's at,
2. govermnet pays rent up to a certain limit for ALL citizens.
3. instead of welfare and food stamps, government provides generic meals that are life sustaining, a ration similar to MRE witha lower calorie count and more nutritional value.

if you want to eat fancy food you must work for teh money, you want to buy fancy video games etc you must work for that money, you want to buy a house again, work for it.

Nathaniel Ward
Nathaniel Ward

And simutaneoulsy not writing a script for a podcast.

Ryan Ward
Ryan Ward

It's really nice that I don't even have to make an argument before you attempt to reply to it with an appeal to emotions.
It really shows your disingenuous nature and casts doubt on your credibility.
I need your money more
muh orphans
muh feels
How about we both work, and keep what we earn?

Logan Gonzalez
Logan Gonzalez

No you math is right, I'm saying it wouldn't be that high, if it was I wouldn't support it, and that sucks may as well buy your pills straight up

Jose Fisher
Jose Fisher

Yeah down the street to the cafe on the city's rented bicycle program. Then back to your shitty apartment. Because all the real land is banned except for the mega rich.

What kind of life is that?

Mason Flores
Mason Flores

Get a job.

Easton Watson
Easton Watson

If it was just for those between 18 to 44 it may make sense. That way it gives plenty of time to prepare for retirembt and get your feet well planted, atm that section makes up roughly 113 million americans, take the 1 trillion spent in welfare (including state) you get almost 9k a year and which is about 740 per month.

Aaron Ramirez
Aaron Ramirez

I mean it makes sense on paper....

Evan Long
Evan Long

Free bread! While supplies last.

Jose Fisher
Jose Fisher

That idea would be really nice if we weren't in a society with government-built fucking everything already. If you started that idea on a small, isolated island rich with resources. But you aren't and you can't.

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

i don't like it. it's too complicated

why don't we cut out all the bullshit. provide people with simple food and collective housing. anything else you want, you better get a god damned job.

Joseph Anderson
Joseph Anderson

Oh, sorry, you're right, lemme re-allocate this to "relaxation time". All better.

Brandon Hughes
Brandon Hughes

No you were talking about taxing true wealth not just income, so anything saved would be taxed again next year and the next until it disappears. There would be no estate to pass on.yuo literally tax everyone to poverty.

John Reyes
John Reyes

How many of the one percent are self made? Please tell me, how many of them truly made their own riches, and a million dollar loan doesn't count as self made

And they make more money than they could ever spend, it's not hurting them

Dominic Gomez
Dominic Gomez

Robot tax? I like it.

Lincoln Lopez
Lincoln Lopez

Just curious, how old are you?

Ryder Cruz
Ryder Cruz

government-built fucking everything already.

the solution to big government is even more government
Nice try, thanks for playing.

Gabriel Morris
Gabriel Morris

simple solution to this: accumulate all the money you want until you die. then it goes back into the system.

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

How can you get education while working??

Anthony Watson
Anthony Watson

47 why?

James Jackson
James Jackson

Laundry is pretty rough shit. Like workin' in the coal mines right? The dryer making you break a sweat?

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

This is also true prevents people from using it to buy dope and such, so more like an ebt card for all.

Robert Morris
Robert Morris

Then I am grateful that it is not up to you.

Hunter Cooper
Hunter Cooper

too complicated.

Why don't we cut ALL the bullshit. You better get a god damned job.

Nathaniel Barnes
Nathaniel Barnes

No you missunderstood if people could just be okay with helping people rather than exploiting and maximizing profits we'd be in a much better place

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

Wish such a place existed but sadly regulations are one thing the state has excelled at.

I see however you backpedalled hard from free income, healthcare, housing, education to 'muh infrastructure'. Funny how that happened innit.

Bentley Anderson
Bentley Anderson

I think estate tax as mentioned probably means death tax in that context, not a yearly tax. Capital gains tax would be yearly, but that's how it is now anyways.

Josiah Russell
Josiah Russell

I mean, that doesn't make any sense but you can keep saying it if you want.

I have $100 total to my name across everything
I pay 10% to taxes, so $10
Then I make $110 next year
From my $200 in worth, I am then taxed $20
OH NO ALL OF MY MONEY IS GONE WHAT HAPPENED?
Oh wait I am worth $180, which is $80 more than before, phew.

Nathaniel Hughes
Nathaniel Hughes

So why aren't you working on your magnum opus or whatever?

Tyler Roberts
Tyler Roberts

jobs are bullshit. they only make someone else money. if someone hires you, they're making a lot more off you than they are paying you, obviously. what's the point? it's a skewed system.

Jack Barnes
Jack Barnes

ITT people that don't understand the impact blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies will have on monetary policy.

You can't create a UBI system if you don't have a monopoly over monetary policy.

Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

Force everyone to rent
ends private property
Marxist much?

Government provides basic sustenance
Marxist much?

You know, they will require massive tax hikes to do that. Most governments which have gone that route decided that
UBI
is the way to go, but the only earnings most people should have, which ...
ends earned income in favor of government-alotted payments
Marxist much?

Fuck all of you communist bastards.

Ryder James
Ryder James

Who said anything about free, stupid?

Cameron White
Cameron White

what's the point? just give people food and housing available if they want it.

Robert Hall
Robert Hall

t. communism

Kayden Moore
Kayden Moore

Aye that is how it is supposed to work.

But I do worry about the middle part. Now is ppl working and paying tax for welfare of the less well off.

End is robot taxes to fund UBI for everyone.

But when 20-25% is out, too many ppl but not enough robot tax to fund UBI.

Mind you, UBI means equal amount for the entire population over a certain age, not just for the less well off.

Jose Murphy
Jose Murphy

nope. you only get basic food and housing. if you want antyhing else, get a job to own stuff.

Mason Rogers
Mason Rogers

being this uneducated
The 1% changes month by month.
It is not a static group of people.
10% of the population will be in the 1% at some point in their life.
If you took every penny from the 1% and redistributed it, everyone would get 50$.

And virtually everyone in the 1% is self made.

You're a failure because you're shit, not because someone is stealing your hard work. You have to work hard before someone can steal it.

This has all been done before, why do you want another gulag, great leap forward, cambodian killing fields?
While you sit around reaping the benefits of modern society there thousands of hard working people with real skills keeping the lights on, the heat on, information moving. You don;t even know how many parts are need to run to just keep the electricity on.
You're a clueless child.
Thankfully, people like you will never get your way.
You're a parasite.

Adrian Lewis
Adrian Lewis

backpedalled
How? I'm just pointing out that your taxes wouldn't (and don't) solely go to "leeches". But you're trying to make it seem like that at every turn, as if your taxes mean nothing because a small portion of them would go to help people.

Brayden Green
Brayden Green

Just saying but millitary budget can guarantee being well life for half of americans if they moved to bangladesh....

Yes. But problem isn't Americas poverty, it's global problem.

It's "Outsourcing Poverty" stop being poor sounds so funny.

Sebastian Turner
Sebastian Turner

not enough to live off, but enough to provide sustenance and shelter

Wait. What.

Carson Scott
Carson Scott

All the tax money goes into it so if you've ever bought something some of the taxes go to heathcare, also 6 hour wait to see a doctor at a hospital, gotta love that "free" healthcare id rather pay for it nd get good medical help

Jack Hughes
Jack Hughes

Simple. The government either takes ownership of the robots, or taxes the trillionares who own the robots
You know that if you did raise prices of foods and services by 20% after minimum wage increased by 20%, minimum wage earners still win. If housing costs stay the same, the their disposable income increases a lot more than 20%. The people this would hurt are the higher ups and CEOs, who have to pay their huge amount of low income employees more.
The first two sound alright, but you still should be able to trust people enough to budget properly. Another few good ideas would be a maximum income, maximum liquid assets, or that the highest earner at a company can only earn a certain number of times more than the lowest earner in their company. This will make sure wealth keeps moving and doesnt ever pool in a group of people.
This isnt communist! The communist approach would be everyone making the exact same. Exactly, the point of UBI is to still let people have a choice in this.

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

Exploiting of others is not own work godamnit.

Evan Murphy
Evan Murphy

And virtually everyone in the 1% is self made.

bullshit. most of it now is old family wealth. they haven't done shit in generations.

Eli Murphy
Eli Murphy

Projected UBI cost is equivalent to or less than the cost of current welfare system

Well, there you go!
Some asshat has "projected" it to be lower than all our current welfare outlays, combined!
So of course, that must be true, amirite?

Robert Morris
Robert Morris

It's the government itself, it's like an evil unpredictable ghost, it's definitely not the people running no they're all good people looking out for everybody,

Kayden Hughes
Kayden Hughes

we aren't going to redistribute resources to everyone. We are just going to redistribute resources to everyone!

Jack Stewart
Jack Stewart

Only faggots and communists want this.
muh robots
Fuck off, just destroy all the robots and revert to a simpler peaceful life.

Caleb James
Caleb James

ITT: US Government owes me money because robots...

Elijah Barnes
Elijah Barnes

when you die, all your wealth goes back into the system. you get to accumulate all you want until you die, then it all goes away. your kids have to work just like everyone else.

Elijah Roberts
Elijah Roberts

Take a bike to a cafe where robots make the food, then to the park maintained by robots for a spot of cricket, then maybe catch a film at the cinema run by robots, a film with a well written plot not designed to just sell merchandise because the writer had the freedom to be creative due to not having to worry about whether doing so will bankrupt them. Then back to my apartment to fuck my wife and fall asleep.

Sounds pretty good to me.

Owen Martinez
Owen Martinez

As I figured.

Millennials don't say that kind of shit. As I've seen it through hiring younger people to work in my shop, they work hard and want to succeed. Everyone I've hired that was over 40 was lazy and complained that the job wasn't easy enough, they weren't paid enough, or they called in sick and ran out their paid time off within the first 3 months.

Damn gen x bastards are killing this country. I'm 29 and making 132k a year with 16 employees in a machine shop I started from my parents garage. Self taught and have trained every one of my employees personally and my best workers are all under 25. I pay them well because they do a precise job and get more units out per day than some of my former workers who were 30s-50s. Hard lesson I learned 4 years ago when I got into a building of my own. Plenty of big talk and knowledge, but the work ethic of older people just doesn't compete with the younger people.

Jonathan Brown
Jonathan Brown

Wow you got real mad, lot of talking and no points or citations, you must really hope they read the nice things you say about them

John Williams
John Williams

only makes sense in the context of a robot-human work equivalency,AKA humanoid robot. A lights-out manufacturing line would be actively human hostile work environment due to speed and clearances.

so why bother with the charade? just up corporate income tax, covers humans as well as automation, and if the robots are really faster/better, the company makes more money, thus pays more tax. It does incentivize a corp to go all robot though unless people are willing to pay a premium for the human touch.

Evan Hughes
Evan Hughes

Problem is well, how to call it? Stockpilling money?

If gross domestic product is $2 dollars, and one guy keeps $1 dollar that desn't circulate, next year you have to start with $1 not $2 in economy. Simple as that. And those comparison is like with $1 instead of $10 in real life.

That's pretty much it.

Oliver Williams
Oliver Williams

And who pays for the basic food and housing?
You know just basic food and housing is millions of people working hard to make happen right?
How are they compensated?
Are they slaves now because you want a free life?
Fucking read a book.
This has been tried, communism.
It results in all the people who actually make society work leaving so tehy don;t become slaves or end up murdered, and then all the parasites like you starving to death.

Oliver Rogers
Oliver Rogers

not all resources faggot, just food and housing. if you want anything else, you have to work for it. why is this hard for you to understand?

Jason Robinson
Jason Robinson

What fucking housing or food is fucking 500 a month gunna pay for, where i live a shitty apartment is like 1500 a month alone ur system is stupid

Asher Bell
Asher Bell

I'm living comfortably where I am. Not asking for anything to come support me.

Oliver Butler
Oliver Butler

He's a millenial. He thinks "to live off of" includes internet, name-brand clothing, etc.

Matthew Jenkins
Matthew Jenkins

Free unused land in desert used as farm and shelter thanks to physics like destillation and contensation, enought water to start with is piss off 100 people who came first.

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

10 percent

1 in 10 people

You are so full of shit hahaha

When do you think it'll be your turn haha

Gabriel Morgan
Gabriel Morgan

Some asshat
A political scientist
Has a fucking Doctorates in this shit
"some asshat"

Brody Ward
Brody Ward

Damn gen x bastards are killing this country. I'm 29 and making 132k a year with 16 employees in a machine shop I started from my parents garage.

yeah, sure we believe you. oh wait, no we don't.

i've owned my own company for over a decade now fagot. what's your point? this is a fantasy thread not reality.

Robert Fisher
Robert Fisher

Yep, those top tier political Luciferians are out to give you a great life! Good thinking user. You will do fine.

Bentley Bailey
Bentley Bailey

Also tell me which land tried communism, CCCP was never communistic, it was your fucking western propaganda from cold war that they will go and take your capital, that's why you need to hate tthem.

Camden Sanders
Camden Sanders

clinging to a dead meme of the 1%
im a victim
they oppressor

You aren't clever, you're just reading the communist manifesto.
Nobody stole anything from you, just work harder. 1 google search crushes all of your "points".

Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

just destroy all the robots and revert to a simpler peaceful life
It's statements like this that will cause the robopocalypse.

Tyler Wilson
Tyler Wilson

Trying to keep old people living longer in a somewhat discomforting state for them and their family not only physically but emotionally and financially as well

Daniel Cooper
Daniel Cooper

If the people have been replaced by robotics and nobody works where does the money for UBI come from?

Anthony Bennett
Anthony Bennett

And currently I am, too. So why are you being so aggressive about me taking some time on Sup Forums?

Ian Sanchez
Ian Sanchez

So many robophobic posts here. One of my best friends is an artificial intelligence and I cannot believe you guys want to take away jobs from honest hardworking laborers like him. He only does the jobs nobody else will do! We shouldn't reward humans just for being human, if we implement this than my friend should get something too!

Carter Mitchell
Carter Mitchell

the economic system woudln't change much. take enough money out of everyone's pay now to make it happen. even rich people can have free food and housing if they want it.

if you want anything else though, you need to keep working just like you do now for it. want netflix? better come up with 29 a month or whatever.

nothing changes.

Aaron Hughes
Aaron Hughes

poly sci
doctorate
lol

A doctorate in lesbian dance theory is more impressive than a poly sci degree, you fucking pleb.

David Brown
David Brown

Houses have to be super mansions
And those poor fucks are going to eat lobster and caviear everyday

Jack Price
Jack Price

how?
By reducing the argument to 'infrastructure is usefull so not al tax is bad' you somehow think you've actually made a case for your extensive redistribution progrom? Surely you're joking mr. Engels.

Jack Johnson
Jack Johnson

You're a real American hero

Mason James
Mason James

i've been making on average 10k a month for the last ten years. you want to prove something, provide a source. google searches only prove how dumb you are.

Wyatt Mitchell
Wyatt Mitchell

10% will be t one point in tehir life.
this is why children should listen instead of speak.
There is no static 1%. The people in the 1% this year wont be in it next year, and so one. There's ALOT of churning and movement.
Read a book.
Or, just keep pretending you're oppressed by a single group of never changing people, and that's why you're a failure, not because you contribute nothing.

Brandon Bell
Brandon Bell

This right here, why do i work to support some fag who is to lazy too, fuck that system nothing so rewarding working ur ass off so Jamal can sit at home nd get high

Nathaniel Gutierrez
Nathaniel Gutierrez

Retard, form an actual sentence, come on try again I believe in you

Isaiah Jenkins
Isaiah Jenkins

Bike, idiot, you would make coffe at home because coffemachine would make it cheaper, being made by robots, and invite neightbours from the location exchange program that are new here, because moving and meeting people becamed new trend and to maintain consistency flats ware build by one design all the way around country....

Welcome to CCCP countries after the internet.

That's why it had to fall, because then dictatorship couldn't be hidden under communistic flag.

Gavin Flores
Gavin Flores

All work to be automated. Even OP said this would have to wait for more autoation to pull this off.
You first dude.
I'd also like to see a country that was already fully industrialized become a socialist state. And also one that doesnt have to spend as much as the Soviets did on their military.

Michael Campbell
Michael Campbell

Its not like things are getting "better", we arent getting any closer to some kind of end goal.

Leo Barnes
Leo Barnes

So it's communism's little retarded brother?

Dominic Collins
Dominic Collins

I'm okay with that
Canadian life expectancy is longer than American

Carson Adams
Carson Adams

k. Just so long as you're aware of what you've said.

Well there's really nothing I could say to change your mind, given how things have gone so far, so who cares what I say? You're going to stay stuck on the idea that some lazy asshole somewhere would benefit from this program without putting things in, and that's absolutely true. But you won't see all of the other amazing things this could do for families and for the economy, just because of a few neckbeards.

Ryder Reed
Ryder Reed

No piece of dessert without infrastructure is better.

Charles Bell
Charles Bell

once work is automated you won't have much of a choice. and that's coming. it's not communism faggot. pay attention.

Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

the stories on this site

You're a failure.
Contribute or fuck off, no one is going to be forced to pay your way for you hobo, people will just leave.
Go read about Venezuela.

Alexander Wood
Alexander Wood

Haha still no points or citations, try harder cum rag

Thomas Price
Thomas Price

giving human beings enough food to eat and a place to sleep and yet still having the ability to be rich and own a mansion or whatever, isn't communism.

Kevin Turner
Kevin Turner

Taxes. Somewhere where service like road cost $10 per kilometer new lasting 500 years, plumbing lasts 500 years too and goverment has literaly no job, because arresting criminals is not one once you have no reason to be infinitely greedy.

Joseph Ward
Joseph Ward

i don't care what you believe. you're sitting in our parents' basement writing this. you want everyone to be like you. you're dumb

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

Study USSR dumbass

Andrew Ortiz
Andrew Ortiz

Man that's all sorts of fucking wrong and you know it.

Jack Lee
Jack Lee

As a eurofag this thread makes me want to vomit

Why do Americans hate each other so much? You are condemning your own people to a life of misery and poverty because they were not lucky enough to be born into wealth and have the opportunities that the middle/upper "class" do not have to work to attain.

It is extremely difficult to get yourself out of poverty.

You have all been corrupted by the American Dream and it sicken me.

Lincoln Lopez
Lincoln Lopez

Oh so we believe in magic now too then? You are a sorcerer that can conjure money and happiness now huh?

Jackson Ortiz
Jackson Ortiz

Again so when your turn? And my point was most of them were born into it and so therefore did nothing to earn it but Maybe you keep sucking their balls theyll throw you a bone

Nolan Clark
Nolan Clark

Live =/ survive

Jason Nguyen
Jason Nguyen

... Just... You know. Problem is, they would rather throw food away, because that equals bigger number.

Spacecolony in 1965 didn't happened, but yet, numbers are numbers. They are bigger, what you can you do with your letters? Number and dollar sign, that's what's working.

You have to create system with hidden infinite inflation, so there is big number of dollar on bank account, then people gonna trust your solution.

Mathematics.

Alexander Wood
Alexander Wood

you have to work for that fag. you only get food and communal housing. if you want anything else, you better find a job or create.

Kevin Rivera
Kevin Rivera

dont quote marx when you clearly didnt ever read a fucking line the guy wrote.

Xavier Adams
Xavier Adams

No. I see no reason for meaning less jobs that can be done even by robots without computer vision!

Dylan Allen
Dylan Allen

Roads last 500 years? Fuck! Tell Oregon how to do that shit! The roads here are falling apart annually!

Michael Foster
Michael Foster

Repubs and Demmys can compromise. We can starve out the blacks and the trailer trash

Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

California here and sometimes it's fucking monthly. I've seen them fill the same god-damned pothole near my old college like six or seven times in the three years I've been here.

Ayden Nguyen
Ayden Nguyen

it's crashing. greed is leading to automation for physical labor and neural networks for decision making. it's inevitable.

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

You would be shocked how much a human is needed even for the most advanced robotics.

Lincoln Carter
Lincoln Carter

scrap welfare
implement welfare

This is definitely a government solution.

Luke Thomas
Luke Thomas

Internet acess is $80 for life of device in nonretarded configured network, which introduces you to the realm of realms driven by passion for livink making you good at whatever you want to achieve having enought outer motivation.

Brayden Barnes
Brayden Barnes

Why not just increase taxes and give me more stuff? I mean, surely we can care for one another even more right? You want me to be unhappy now?

Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis

The bankers printer conjurs money but your okay with that

Easton Miller
Easton Miller

Well, sombody would need to stay home on UBI and study roads better first. Dumbfuck.

Mason Taylor
Mason Taylor

that's because you're too dumb to see what's coming. neural networks, right now still in their infancy, will replace all human decisions and be much better at it.

Gabriel White
Gabriel White

just above the breadline
Same dumbasses are gonna waste their UBI on stupid shit and then you have to pay even more

Nathaniel Morales
Nathaniel Morales

Yes, neural networks with predeffined options not rellying to data rendered to society as gods. That's different than fucking computer vision robot paving my road.

Levi Turner
Levi Turner

whats the difference between UBI and welfare? they sure sounds like the same. Tax wealth, especially inheritance and apply that money into free basic needs such as education, security, and for fucks sake muricans, free health care. No one should be rich because their grandparents kinda worked hard but probably just bribed some politicians to get some good contracts

Lucas Parker
Lucas Parker

Lol, all the Americans trying to rationalize their broken ass medicare and oligarchy

Isaac Miller
Isaac Miller

Well there you go. We should just print more money and hand it out. That's a lot easier. Print everyone a few millions dollars and all the problems go away.

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

just enough not to starve or die from exposure. i don't think that's a lot to ask. people didn't ask to be brought into this world. why shuold they immediately be forced to work to make someone else rich in order to live in it?

Anthony Lewis
Anthony Lewis

SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS

Oliver Gutierrez
Oliver Gutierrez

Not the dude you replied to, but Venezuela is more about how oil prices dropping affects a country where the oil industry is the majority of their economy.
If anything, its the Liberal Centerist's dream.
This is pretty the fault of the Protestant Work Ethic, or the idea that you must work and suffer to reach salvation and that material wealth is a blessing of God. Which is odd, because the bible says it is "as hard for a rich man to get to heaven as it is a camel to get through the eye of a needle."
No, its because of the weathering. Here is Wisconsin roads have to be maintained constantly or the ice just destroys them.

Ryan Martin
Ryan Martin

You have seen most advencced robotics maybe in startrek 40 years ago. Most advenced is somewhere totally else but nobody showcase shit to capitalism shills.

Kayden Rogers
Kayden Rogers

These retards can't fathom new technology it seems, I don't even understand how this is a discussion

Lucas Perry
Lucas Perry

If robots/machines get so advanced that they are in effect as effective as humans in all tasks, I suppose the concept of money will die.

A bit like Star Trek.

But was talking about the era prior to that.

Jace Parker
Jace Parker

So I should be forced to spend my whole life unhappy just to make someone else rich?
Isn't that worse? To die, or to die after a long life of misery?

Austin Collins
Austin Collins

i've worked with neural networks. they're amazing. and scary, of course. the worst case scenario is we make them too human.

James Thomas
James Thomas

I'll exaggerate his point and take it into a direction I know he didn't mean so I'm still right

Cooper Gray
Cooper Gray

to lazy too
Well. You tried.

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

Well, I can be so retarded sounding, but wooden construction over the road providing roof over, so there is only cold and no water costs fucking half less than road you had build. That's robotics possible in blink of eye.

Ian Morris
Ian Morris

With road in price of course.

Henry Diaz
Henry Diaz

you'd be able to do whatever you do now to make you 'happy' you just owuldn't have to worry about food and shelter. why is that worse?

Nolan Thompson
Nolan Thompson

Why not? It's just paper right? We can hand it out and take it from whomever.

Gavin Fisher
Gavin Fisher

How many seconds takes you to click on that captcha? Car solves that in miliseconds. Already.

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

That always made me laugh when they give robots emotions in movies, like why would you build something that can suffer, get upset or rebel haha

The future is now

Easton Hall
Easton Hall

if they're truly lazy, is that really their choice? is being driven and obsessed with money really a choice?

Charles Lee
Charles Lee

No, I see it, but I know that it won't be for another 10-20 years before it is taking over our lives. We will have fancy AI and better processing but to make something that can computer on the level of human is going to take a few more major advancements to bring it from warehouses full of neural networks to a single block that can fit in a robot. The human mind is the most complex computing system we are aware of in the universe and nothing has even come close to matching it in our made technology.

Two hundred billion neurons with trillions of connections to each other. That is a hell of a feat.

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

Just watch this video you fucking retards and look at the links if your one of those fags
youtube.com/watch?v=kl39KHS07Xc

muh socialism
muh communism
muh non sustainable living

If argue with own retarded opinions, you deserve to be culled

Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

Even gaming is more providing data if game is correct, than working at walmart. Seriously.

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

You should go look that up if your asking that I'm surprised you can use a computer, or did somebody have to let you on, they should be supervising you

Aiden Wright
Aiden Wright

it seems to me like it's going to be more of a creep toward a high water mark and then a very quick descent into a changed society. could happen any time really. look at how quickly the internet changed things.

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