Sexual liberation was a mistake and every single time it's been done throughout history...

Sexual liberation was a mistake and every single time it's been done throughout history, the consequences have been terrible.

>inb4 degenerates and hedonists post non-arguments.

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There's literally no defense of sexual liberation.

It undermines marriages, it creates the single biggest Welfare leeches (Single moms) and it jeopardizes a nation's future (Marriage rates go down, divorce rates go up, single motherhood goes up, children raised by single mothers are worse off in all aspects, & native populations fail to meet replacement rates)

So Muslims have a point?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day user.

But isn't degeneracy just a bad thing in multicultural societies? I mean, here it's been pretty wonderful to have women who will fuck

On one hand, yeah easy sex is great; however, that's extraordinarily short-sighted.

It's an attitude that's the result of a desire for instant-gratification and low time preferences.

In your late teens and early 20s casual, no-strings-attached hookups are attractive prospects, but look at the chart above. The women who, now, will fuck, aren't marriage material.

Women who have sex outside of marriage (or lose their virginity to someone who doesn't go on to become their husband), are a huge risk to marry. When you take into account that most divorces are initiated by women, and the most common reason is 'dissatisfaction,' the acceptance of hookups and casual sex becomes much less appealing.

Hell, look at the USSR. In its early days it wasn't terribly multicultural; however, sexual liberation failed.

Lenin & Trotsky both were fairly "liberal" socially. Divorce was made easy, abortion was readily available, and society suffered horribly as a result. It took Stalin enforcing borderline-Puritanical measures to get the USSR back on course.

There are other periods where sexual liberation has been tried, but the data is obscured by time; that said, it doesn't seem to have worked anywhere.

You seem to forgetting that staying with one mate your entire life is unnatural for both men and women.

>muh appeal to nature

Civilizations happened because humans transcended nature.

There's not a shred of evidence to support the supposition that sexual promiscuity is beneficial to society. Conversely, there's loads of evidence to suggest that it's harmful and corrosive.

When men and women stay together for life, society functions better. Men stay engaged in their communities, and children are raised better. There's a very good reason that nearly all successful civilizations, and major religions have tried very hard to promote the family as a concept and regulate sexuality.

Delusional. Children are healthier in every way with their own father throughout their lives, as opposed to no father or a step father. If monogamy was unnatural, there would be no adverse effects to the child to either no father or a different father. This is all documented.

Bottom line - sexual liberation means switch from an k based mating strategy to an R based strategy. In doing so the birth rate drops. And leaves you wide open for invasion by an enemy tribe.

You guys are mistunderstanding me. I was talking about when people are young, let them have sex with as many as they want. When they get into their 30's they should stick with one.

How about we fuck around when we're young, have education provided to youth so they use protection get regular testing and understand risks, and then settle down when we're middle aged.

beta males don't like sexual libration because the only way they could get laid is using social structures, not raw sexual attraction

tldr: they're ugly and udnesirable

enjoy raising my child, faggots

Having fewer children is better for a large number of reasons. The only benefit to having more is potentially outbreeding the subhumans.

Been doing that for years user. How's that working for us?

>birthrate lowering
>high IQ people NOT breeding, whilst lower IQ people breeding like rabbits
>sucking welfare from the productive class to feed their vampirism

>cock carousel until you're 30 then try to settle down

go away

Again, see the data here:

The more people a woman has sex with, the worse off she is.

More dicks taken means:

>Higher rates of marital unhappiness
>Higher rates of depression
>Lower quality marriage
>Lower marital stability

Then you run into issues like the prevalence of HPV (Which can cause head and neck cancer in the male partners of infected girls), or the correlation between promiscuity and infidelity/likelihood to divorce.

There's simply no benefit to it besides "easy sex."

I'm not trying to be a dick, but like I said before, that's the mentality of someone with low time preferences and a desire for instant gratification. Studies tend to show that blacks, on average, have lower time preferences than everyone else.

It's practically a nigger-tier ideology.

>Acting alpha on Sup Forums.
>On Sup Forums.
Why does one person always have to do dumb shit and shitpost.

You're not going to... in any universe whatsoever.... lol

Cultures that exalt and idolize women and sex are being rapidly out bred by cultures that control and subjugate them. This is nature telling you something.

but muh dick

Again, that doesn't change the data that I've already posted here:

and referenced here:
No, it's really not. Whites are below population replacement levels. The decline of native-births are part of the justification for mass, third-world immigration (We need more people to prop up X, Y & Z!).

Not an argument, nigger.

Sex isn't hard to get today. Finding a girl worth marrying is.

>enjoy raising my child

Implying I'd marry a girl who isn't a virgin.

Enjoy the HIV, Tyrone.

t. neckbeard kissless virgin

you're such a fucking faggot.

troll go away

t. Britainistani LARPing as an alpha online.

>tfw Sup Forums could be renamed to /islam/ and it would actually make sense

Honestly, islam's view on things aren't nearly as degenerate as the current liberal world we live in. Sure they have their drawbacks but compared to the non stop degeneracy I see every time I turn on the TV or look at a politically correct website it's not that bad.

[Double standard comment about how the feeling of my penis is more important than society as a whole]

I'm totally red-pilled, the feminist wanting to destroy our culture due to their feelings are a totally different thing !

Omfg fuck off ahmed, mudslimes are prime degenerate they got no values, how can you be over represented in crimes and dare say you have values ?
Hey guys i'm totally not degenerate, that's why i rape, steal, leech off socialism and enforce my backward view on everyone ! totally red pilled guys xDDDDDDD

I'm all in agreement with the cock carousel being a negative thing, but I also feel that whatever the equivalent for men is, cannot be good either. I'm 21 and have slept with two women - both of which I largely regret because clearly it wasn't meant to be. I never wanted to have slept with two women at 21. Am I a man-whore? Should I feel ashamed? (I do, particularly when I think about wanting to find a woman)

>t. the useful idiots of feminism

muh dik

Let's be honest, the bar is set pretty fucking low.

Islam's shit for a host of reasons, though, user. Also, I hate to break it to you, but that sounds awfully close to a Muslim Brotherhood tactic.

>ally with Alinskyist cultural movements (MB ties to the Interfaith movement)
>Support liberalism
>Help a cultural revolution
>After society crumbles, offer a counter revolution.

Assuming you're not MIDF, go watch Stephen Coughlin's Redpill Documentary on Jewtube. He's a well-educated guy that talks about that.

Reminder that girls who grow up without fathers will undergo first menstruation much earlier than those that do have fathers, and early menarche is maybe the most r-selected trait there isnews.berkeley.edu/2010/09/17/puberty/

Declining birth rate is a good thing and those justifications are god damned retarded. I really don't understand why thy think they can use declining birth rates to justify mass migration. They're worried about the ways in which overpopulation will affect the environment, water supply, thin job market? Well now that our birth rates are heading in the right direction, let's import millions of more worthless people. For the economy. Because that's sustainable and healthy!

God damn it, I fucking hate that argument. Don't even let them use the declining population argument. Make them feel like a brainless asshole for even going there.

>tfw a newly married woman with 1 baby regularly texts me sexual things and sends me nudes on the grounds of "youre easy to talk to and dont judge me" and "would my husband like this?"
>her husband knows and considers it okay
>ive been slowly ramping up sexual conversations adding in more lines of "we should fuck" and "i think your husband is a pussy"(which he is)
>shes slowly coming over to my side of the fence as weeks go on

I dont plan on takin care of her or her kid, but i will fuck her brains out when i get the chance.

Thank you, sexual liberation, for letting this woman believe its okay to be a bit wild even when married, and for her husband to accept it all in a sidelined beta state.

I know the feeling m8. If it brightens your day, note the article on the top left.

A few studies have been done on this. The jury's still out, but data suggests the effect is somewhere between none to minimal.

The real drawback of male promiscuity is that it either despoils women, or requires a permanent underclass of whores.

Really makes u think

Overpopulation is more of a problem than declining pop.
Declining pop is actually beneficial since we are in a job and ressource crisis, I want this meme to die too. But gotta pay boomers' retirement)))

Damn he's right.

Only because it was one sided.

If it were both ways, an average guy could walk into a bar and be swamped by average girls begging for a fuck. That's the real issue with feminism, it completely failed mutuality.

>sexual liberation was a mistake every single time it's been done in history
source, pls

>Declining birth rate is a good thing.

Not really, user. Not when we're below replacement levels.

Not when (in America) we're getting outbred by Hispanics. Hell, Europe nowadays needs more white babies.

Remember that "Do it for Denmark!" campaign a while back?

Declining birth rates are a pretty big issue.

> betafag 4ever virgin detected

What's the matter, OP? Spending all your time waxing your wand and no girls will give you the time of day?

Must suck to be you.

How is it hedonism to let people do what they like while not harming others?

Who is this seed steed?

Just look at the Lenin/Trotsky days of the USSR, Poortugal.

That's really interesting. I wonder why there's that disparity between men and women.

Still, feels bad to have been complicit in the despoliation of women at large :/

Just get laid for once and stop worrying about the future of civilization.

You're never going to change anything so just get that dick wet. I bet you might even find a prostitute to fuck if you try really hard.

I agree. But I don't see a problem with sex before marriage, and I don't have a problem with a woman who may of had 2 or 3 previous partners. Peoppe get in a relationship, them realise they dint like it along the way. People can fall out.

I'm very average looking, and I have no problem pulling decent looking women.

The way I see it op is that women have always been slutty in the west. In the past they just hid it better.

I'd much rather sluts be openly slutty then pretending to be good girls desu.

I think it also helps men realize that their woman isn't a unicorn. Most guys I know are quite aware that there's nothing special about the bitch they're fucking and that she's just another slut.

50 years ago and those same sluts would've had their providers tricked into thinking they're good girls while fucking the football team behind his back.

Not an argument.

>he·don·ism
>noun: hedonism
>the pursuit of pleasure; sensual self-indulgence.

Gee, I wonder. And yes, it does harm others, it harms the foundation of society.

If you're so concerned about liberty, think of the toll that the single mothers will take on your wallet.

it matters if you want to raise kids and have a stable traditional family. it's the absolute worst time to do this in the west. societal trends, even though they might be 'not my business' as I'm not involved in them, can still affect me negatively.

>haha ur a virgin xd!
is not pertinent at all to anything he's saying. this ad hom is literally just the white woman's version of "muh dik"
additionally, you operate on the assumption that nobody could possibly be voluntarily celibate, which is extremely stupid.

the entire point of this thread is the harm done to society

that's certainly not every single time in history

do you have any study on the history marriage or something related to support your claim?

On your wallet and on their own children, as well as my own, as they grow up to influence them as peers.

youtube.com/watch?v=o1xf78EltKM
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ATTENTION THREAD, REQUIRED LISTENING. DO NOT POST HERE UNTIL YOU HAVE LISTENED TO THESE AND READ THE SOURCES IF YOU'RE STILL IN DOUBT.

There were less beta provider men back in the day.

And women were brought up more moral by 2 parents instead if a single mother.

There also wasn't a brainwashing media.

It's not a great feeling, but at least we can go forward knowing that we're not irreparably damaged like women are.

>Don't worry about the future of civilization, just grant amnesty to illegals.
>Don't worry about the future of Europe, just make some refugee friends.

This effects everyone on a personal level, user. Yeah, a hookup isn't hard to get. Thanks to this degeneracy, a decent wife is. Unless of course, you're willing to overlook the chance of divorce, which again, most women initiate with the most common reason being 'dissatisfaction.'

They actually haven't, though. 50 years ago, they were. That would've been the mid 60s, right when the cultural Marxist revolution was beginning to really take off.

Eh, you might be more tolerant of it than I am. I watched my grandfather and father get completely ruined because of women, so I'd rather not take the chance.

I met a qt at church, and have been hitting it off with her. She's barely legal, but super sheltered and according to the grapevine, hasn't had a relationship before. Wish me luck, lads.

You fail to see how there isn't "one humanity" in this context. Declining birth rates wouldn't be such a problem if they weren't soaring amongst certain peoples. Just a century ago, Europeans outnumbered Africans by a large margin. In mere decades, we will be outnumbered by them 3:1. Within the current discourse, the claim on our resources to support their increasing numbers will increase whilst our numbers dwindle. This can to some extent be compensated by an increase in automatisation, but this also has a side effect of disenfranchisement of lower educated (both here and of course in the third world) and as such the world will leech off a very small caste of educated Westerners.

the problem is that when you let them be openly slutty, the proportion of slutty girls increases. I do understand you and agree with on principle but the proportion of sluts relative to all women is not fixed. If the media started heavily idolizing angelical girls again you'd see a lot of women changing.

That post really triggered you huh?

Expected from a black country desu

The point is when you start looking for wife and there is no wife material around.

Oh Jesus Christ you're thick.

So you're ignoring the massive failure of sexual liberation now, you're ignoring the current data on it. You're ignoring the abysmal results of it in the USSR. You're ignoring the fact that societies with sexual promiscuity that should've gotten off the ground (Like the Mosuo Chinese and their "walk-in marriages) absolutely failed.

user, sexual liberation is indefensible unless all you care about is freedom, and instant gratification.

Suffrage was the first mistake.

>a decent wife is
Only in cucked cities.

good to be remninded how alpha i am

>13 in 9 months

kek

Does anyone know who she is? I need to have sex with her

>staying with one mate your entire life is unnatural

Know what else is "unnatural":

1. low infant mortality rates,
2. not dying of infectious diseases,
3. not murdering your enemies,
4. not raping women,
5. living in homes instead of caves,
6. using the fucking internet

natural =/= good
unnatural =/= bad

Civilization, in it's entirety, is unnatural and is vastly preferable to a natural life.

You've named 3 so far. Is it that hard to find a study on the topic if you are that confident that sexual promiscuity has such a big impact on the historical outcome of societies?

Totally wrong.

It has to do with 3 things:

>urban anonimity

Women can now be completely slutty and get away with it, without being "the village bicycle"

Women shame other women for being sluts, because it devalues sex for themselves as a witholding/bargaining tool for a relationship or marriage.

>the pill

Women were indeed just as slutty back in the day, they simply knew the cost of being slutty. Eventually a child would pop out. I think the official estimate is that 3 months of unprotected sex will result in pregnancy.

The pill changed everything. Why do you think its called the "sexual revolution"?

Women now can fuck for fun WITHOUT THE ONE THING KEEPING THEM FROM BEING SLUTS.

(I would add condoms as STD preventers, but we all know that sluts whore it up without a condom)

>financial independence

In resource rich environments women dont need a provider (not necessarily a beta) and therefore go for the Alpha, which she wont be able to lock down, because said sluts have devalued sex to such an extent, that Chad gets it for free and if she wants to tie him down by withholding, then hell next her.

You have examples and all of the data you need.

If you're so dead-set on pretending it's okay, how about you actually defend your point, instead of asking for more evidence, when ample evidence has been provided.

PUA faggots are as bluepilled and degenerate as feminists. They are a literal equivalent to feminists because once their looks and charm drops off due to age they will die miserable and alone.

Easy sex is why the world has the US

>creates the single biggest Welfare leeches (Single moms)

lmao, my mum never took welfare and started up her own business despite having to support me through school.
Way to show how much of an ignorant faggot you are.

>muh anecdote invalidates verifiable data and trends.

Nice flag, m8. You almost had me.

...

Wew Lad.
So your mum deviated from the norm, who cares?
Majority of single mothers are welfare leeches.
Majority is the key word retard.

no self respecting hedonist would defend the sexual liberation

Nice mate, my mum and my stepmum both had no jobs and leeched of my dad until I finished highschool and my mum got a job

>tfw Sociology course
Sup Forums was right, the place is Marxism HQ. Not only do we have red fists as posters around the place, but we're taught constantly about the wonders of Feminism, gender isn't real, white male privilege and I have an assignment currently based around discrimination against women. Also, apparently our Islamophobia is a morale panic, and my teacher has likened it to the witch hunting.

I've never heard the word "Marx" tossed around so much in an academic environment, we're even going to learn about Critical Theory and the Frankfurt School later since it's in the text book... And furries. Yes, Furries are a future topic of discussion.

>Sexual liberation of women is good! No more contraception! Women can have as much sex as they want and wear what ever they wish
Next lesson
>Men sexualizing women is misogyny and a great tragedy, we should live in an equal society where no one is looked upon as sexual objects
How fucking stupid can these people be? The double standard is ridiculous.

Also women craze attention and the whore showing the most skin at the bar gets all the looks...

It's a downward spiral of female competition to who can be the most slutty for male attention..

The only was to save it is a complete society collapse and war..

The only upside now is abortion so when women are raped by the invaders they can cut the spawn out of themselves before destroying the gene pool.

I'm not pretending anything.

You just keep claiming something and not backing it up.

>first graph: effects of early sexual activity on promiscuity

How do we know this "cause" and "effect" aren't both the effects of being really hot?

Maybe some people fuck younger and more often because they're a lot more fuckable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Notice how I've provided data and examples.

ITT: a few women (sluts) try to defend their cock riding for the past several years.

Sorry bitches, odds are you will never have a happy marriage because of your shitty behavior.

OP: 110% agreed. No religious arguments needed. No pro/anti gay marriage arguments needed. None of that crap needed. Just look at the facts... statistics of STD rates, divorce rates, etc. etc. etc..... shit's depressing as fuck.

Happy to be married and my wife gave me her V card. I only had one other woman before her who I also thought I was going to marry. It has zero impact on our relationship and I never think about her, unlike women who will constantly crave other cock, if given the taste even once.

>mfw the other day a female friend asked over dinner, 'from a guy's perspective what's it like to decide you will only have one pussy for the rest of your life? how do you do that?'
>sloots gonna sloot

>The way I see it op is that women have always been slutty in the west. In the past they just hid it better.

How would you honestly know? Your basing it on nothing. There have always been sluts and infidelity, but they were never encouraged or glorified and defended like today. We have abandoned all discipline or self control, we are devolving in to Niggers.

I'd bet my nan has a lower sausage count then any of the sloots I've dated

You provided 3 examples, 2 of them without data. Not that good. To back your claim you need to have an actual study with hundreds of different societies being tested. Also, you need to carefully mention the cases that do not confirm your hypothesis, even if they are a small minority.

>can't pull any pussy
>complains about it on an anime image board
Every time

M8, it's well known that the USSR had horrible fucking policies on divorce, abortion and recognizing illegitimates.

(theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1926/07/the-russian-effort-to-abolish-marriage/306295/)

I would really recommend that you do further reading, because apparently you're not at all familiar with well-known history.

You're ignoring that the data required to conduct such a study is a relatively recent point of interest.

Unless human sexuality and biology has drastically changed recently, and there's no reason to assume it has, you're really grasping at straws.

Now, if you're so autistic as to latch onto a single point of rhetoric and go "nuh uh, prove it!" come to the table with some data or go REEE about whores being okay over on Reddit.

>pulling pussy
>hard
>2016

Not an argument, fag.

If fucking whores, instant gratification and shortsightedness is your thing, you're either literally a nigger, or you're an honorary one.

Degeneracy is how you get a multicult society.

Degeneracy is great for niggergenes who are good at getting laid, but it's shit for guys who aren't good at getting laid. And I get it, nobody anywhere cares about guys who aren't good at getting laid, but then, shock: those guys stop caring about your society, and since those guys are the ones who would have spent their time caring about society while guys who are good at getting laid spend their time getting laid, society falls apart. Because if all the girls are off getting raped by you and the rest of the niggergene Chads, who gives a shit if they get raped a few times by Jamal or Iqbal, too?

But then, niggergenes who are good at getting laid are probably also the most likely to survive if society falls apart, so maybe it works out okay for you in the end.

Guess the vast majority of men these days are niggers, then. Stay beta

Nice argument :^)

I'm really glad that data and history are just handwaved away by people LARPing as alphas on the internet.

>Studies show that women who aren't virgins are literally not marriage material and come with huge risks

>lol ur just a virgin autist beta xDDDDDDD

>Studies show that race is real, IQ is heritable, and that there are differences between the races that go far beyond skin.

>lol ur just a white trash racist, Nobel laureate Dr. James Watson xDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Nobody gives a shit about marriage, mate.

>Nobody gives a shit about the building block of civilizations.

It won't be a building block in the new global world, and there's nothing your complaining will do about it

The only reason you feel this way is because it makes you recognize the complete exposability of the average male. There's no reason to fear the sharper division in males that comes from the emergence of sexual liberation, sans the fear that you will be one of the disposable ones. Literally only beta's see this outcome as bad, because they are the only ones who are worse off for it.

Tbh I think the correlation is wrong. Unhappy girls fuck earlier and more often leading also to being leeches.

They would still be unhappy if they wouldn't get fucked so early.

As someone who has no interest in family life, I love sexual lib.

Sue me tbhfam

several deviations do not nullify the entirety of the data, retard.

Single moms as a whole don't do much but leech. I'm glad your mother did something but her demographic is a strain on society.

It always had been, unless there's some massive change in human sexuality, it always will be.

>If you recognize the effects of cultural Marxism you're obviously a beta.

You're a fucking idiot, m8. Society as a whole is worse off for it, and this has been proven.

Enjoy dysgenics, rising single motherhood (and the quasi-socialist state that this will demand), a complete and total breakdown of the family, etc.

Nice armchair psychoanalysis though. Hang yourself.

The early effects of sexual activity aren't as damning as the effects of sexual promiscuity overall; however, it does tend to support the suggestion that the delay of sex (within reason) tends to be better (Though that's more anti-pedophilia/ephebophilia than anti-promiscuity).

>As someone who likes kebab, I love the Islamization of Europe.

Come on, fAm.

>dysgenics
An entirely subjective concept. In most societies, deformaties are on a significant decline world wide, and in the United States it has been virtually unmoved since the sexual revolution.
cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5701a2.htm

>Rising single motherhood
A bigger problem of the gender biased court system that views men as disposable, something I've already noted. The incentives for women to leave or never end up with the father of their child are much greater than they used to be. This has nothing to do with the rise of sexual freedom.

>A complete and total breakdown of the family

Exactly the same cause. Not the result of sexual liberation in anyway

Personal attacks, just like the above vague, poorly considered statements on your part, are not arguments. They are how one signals that he has no argument.

Also, dysgenics is a result in part from stronger medical technologies and practices, which improve the rate at which those with such disabilities will survive.

you're the problem. grats. not only do you not want family (which is the core of a well-functioning society) you actively participate in the degeneracy.