Scream is almost 20 years old

>Scream is almost 20 years old
>There hasn't been a good original slasher movie since

Is the slasher genre dead?

Scream is the logical conclusion to the slasher genre. There wasn't much of a need for another slasher movie after that. It's better than Texas Chainsaw, Halloween, Elm Street and Friday the 13th.

Kind hard to do original slasher.
Hatchet was a call to the old
You're next was fun.

Kinda hard to make a slasher after it gets picked apart in 4 movies

this. Slasher movies existed in a time and place, there will never again be a successful slasher franchise. People are too obsessed with hyperreality now

Slashers are all about franchising .It's hard to name a noteworthy slasher that hasn't been franchised. It's hard to create another Freddy or Ghostface.

Because the characters were inherently cheesy (ghostface was deliberately so). Everything in modern hollywood is so self-serious, gritty, and non-cinematic. The last 10-15 years have been a huge misstep for the movie industry, and it will be looked back upon as an embarrassing epoch in filmmaking for trying (and failing miserably) to supersede reality

I thought the rob zombie halloween remakes were pretty damn good, but then again i dont even exsist

>decide to watch the Scream tv series for October, after having rewatched the Scream movies
>it's got literally no connection to the movies, except for one nerd talking about horror movies and a guy using a voice-changer to make creepy phonecalls
>not even a "oh man our town is turning into another Woodsboro." reference
>everyone still keeps saying shit like "oh my god it's a Brandon James mask!" as if that's a thing, like they would have said "it's a Ghostface mask!" if the show had actually had a connection with the movies

The first season was still decent, though, I guess. I mean, the main killer was fucking obvious like less than half-way through the season, but there was some further guessing about who the second killer was, and you ended up caring a bit about who got killed. The second season was just spent killing randoms not even connected to the main girl, and the special was more of the same.

We can all agree that 1>2>4>, right?

And that Dewey was the third killer.

The special was like a fucking Scooby Doo episode. The series is awful and it should be put out of its misery. They called it "Scream" just for the fuck of it. Its name is used as bait to lure in fans of the movies because this show would have flopped right on its ass if it was named anything else. Having a character that likes horror movies isn't fucking meta. They missed the entire point of the film series.

>there will never again be a successful slasher franchise.

I don't know about that. They are pretty cheap to make and a lot of young actors get a nice career bounce off being in a cheap horror film. Being people don't really hold horror films to much of a standard so you can be in a bad one with out it killing your career.

I doubt we will see a pure -dude with knife- sort of slasher films take off again. Yet sooner or later another franchise level killer will show up. Final Destination is an example of taking the whole slasher like vibe of randomly killing off a ton of people and making it a little different.

The main problem is the torture porn films kind of replaced slasher films and I'm not a fan of those sort of films.

You can't expect much from mtv series. But emma's ass is just surreal

>But emma's ass is just surreal

proof?

She is a bland son of a bitch. Emma is as stock as a final girl could possibly get. Her anorexic friend should die already, too. Noah is just okay. Like big fucking whoop, you're here to give us the backstory on everything of course you won't die, you stupid fuck. I do not appreciate the gay characters. They're all bullshit. Mentioning a horror movie doesn't make this feel like Scream at all. Wow, hey, here's something that reminds me of Black Christmas. I don't care. Fuck this and fuck MTV.

About the only thing the special delivered on was the main girl showing off that she's learnt to protect herself. Except for when the whole group had to act retarded and split up instead of all staying in the living room like you would do if you were stuck on an island with a killer until a storm blows by. Having people split up when they're living in a town is understandable, not when they just need to stick together for one fucking night.

The problem is that we already saw Sidney learn to defend herself in the movies, so we were expecting Emma to do that shit in season fucking one when the dude took her out to learn how to shoot. It's kind of ridiculous that they managed to let us know Sidney better and have her grow more as a character in four movies than they've managed with two season's worth of episodes for Emma. The two seasons and the special has basically caught up with two movies worth of character growth, but only for one character where the movies had three.

I really don't get why they named each episode after a horror movie, without ever referencing any of them during the episodes. What's the fucking point?

They probably forgot they're a horror series. It's amazing that Jamie Kennedy is a better Noah than Noah himself. How do you let Jamie Kennedy be better than you at anything? I really get the feeling the Scream series was intended to be something else, but they got the Scream name at the last second. None of it makes sense. I guarantee you it was originally The Lakewood Killer or some shit.

The only episode that i remembered have connection somehow to the story is "the orphanage". I bet the writers are excited for a week for that

Overall the show really felt like a Friday The 13th-type slasher, with just some Scream bits showed in when they realised they had the rights for the name.

I mean, what's up with the fucking mask? A custom-fitted surgical mask a deformed spree-killer wore to hide his face with after surgeries, that people are just randomly getting their hands on and that everyone else knows what it looks like, just because they've heard of the story from their parents? That shit doesn't make sense. And then there's all that focus on the lake.

I'm pretty sure the third season is going to reveal that Brandon James was framed, and that it was Emma's dad who killed all those people, or someone else. It's gotta be, right? Because otherwise they're not even subverting the malformed-freak-killing-people cliché, at which point it's definitely not Scream at all.

Yeah, the story feels more like a Friday the 13th/Texas Chainsaw tribute more than anything. They should pull the plug on the show, desu senpai. Reveal who killed Kieran and let's be done with it.

>Reveal who killed Kieran and let's be done with it.

Based entirely off of the start of special I'm going to make a premature guess and say it's the second chick who keeps getting new boyfriends, killing Kieran as revenge for him killing her boyfriend. All because she said "it was er.... SOUNDED pretty gruesome" when describing the murder. It's just the kind of unsubtle foreshadowing I'd expect. The cop getting killed doesn't make sense, but blame it on insanity.

I just want Noah and Gustavo to fuck while making slasher comics together. Is that too hard to ask from progressive MTV?

>Is the slasher genre dead?
I sure hope so.

The Finale Girls
Stage Fright
The Town that Dreaded Sundown
The Guest

The Finale Girls is overrated, thought it was a good idea with pretty mediocre in execution.
The Town that Dreaded Sundown is a remake/reboot.
The Guest isn't a horror film.

It's more of a horror comedy that desconstructs the slasher genre, but I'd like to throw Tucker and Dale into the ring as one of the most fun I've had in a slasher movie since Scream.

I still think you can deconstruct the slasher genre even harder.
I dunno, shit like
A bunch of teenagers hunt one guy
Killer and teenagers team up against another pair of teenagers and killer.
Killer has crippling OCD and must kill exactly like the slasher tropes state or else he can't kill.
Slasher: the musical

Does this count?

Cell phones kinda killed slasher movies to a certain degree.

I'm gonna slash and gash
Cut another hole in your ass
Spill blood on the walls and play tennis with your balls
If the phone rings
Don't answer the call
I'm gonna slit your throat, fuck you like a goat
Peel your foreskin off and make a Winter coat

Scream is a terrible movie only held together by Craven's slick directing in the set pieces. The script is awful and it ruined studio horror for like a decade. I hate meta horror so much.

Cell phones? Dude, get in the time. We're using Google glass now

muh it doesn't COOOUUUNNNT

Town was a sequel, dipshit
Guest is horror, you dingbat
FG had a great execution

Scream killed slashers since after ir everything had to be "self aware" when people who actually like horror movies just prefer straight up horror. Scream is for people who don't really even watch slasher movies.

>We've had a doozy of a day!

Simple, but instantly funny.

Stage Fright is a slasher musical and it's awesome.

But slasher/horror deconstruction is old. In 1980, the parody Student Bodies was alreday doing it (and had the 2 killers trope.)

The way they explained away cellphones was the only part I really liked about the first season of the Scream tv series.

didn't love it but Hush is a good minimalistic slasher

The OP specifically stated he wanted original slasher films, as in something fresh and new.

By being a remake, The Town that Dreaded Sundown inherently doesn't fit that criteria despite being a pretty solid movie.

The Guest is a thriller. If you REALLY stretch you could call it a horror film, but it has absolutely nothing in common with a slash flick so it's a moot point.

The Final Girls is held back by it's horrendous CGI effects, a weak third act, and gore that's neutered by it's PG-13 rating.

>but it has absolutely nothing in common with a slash flick

the final act of The Guest is literally like something out of a slasher, Maika is the final girl

it's not a full on horror movie but people who like horror movies will love it

It have a five minute scene at the end of the third act where the kids are chased around a haunted house maze does not make a 2 hour thiller into a slasher.

That's like saying, for example, We Are Still Here is a siege film instead of a ghost story because of the last five minutes.

Stage Fright is good. It's got a slight pacing problem in the middle, but it's a good movie for a new director.

The ChromeSkull movies were pretty good.

Detention had good ideas, but I'm not sure if it was a good movie or not... I like parts of it?

To be fair, the time Scream came out was basically the start of the remke frenzy and it's gotten worst and worst. You can almost only find original movies in the indie market now.

By your defintion Halloween isn't a slasher.

the remake trend has already been over a long time. now we're in the ghost/possession trend era which started somewhere around Paranormal Activity/Insidious and won't end till Blumhouse stops shitting out those generic movies

There's still a lot of remakes even now, but you're right, the oversaturation of horror remakes ended a little before 2010.

Yeah, if you ignore the fact that the entire film is about Laurie Strode being stalked by a masked killer who proceeds to kill her friends one by one over the course of the film before finally going after her.

Where as the Guest is about unraveling the mystery surrounding this strange dude, and when they finally do in the third act he then goes bananas and kills a bunch of people (mostly with guns iirc).

>There hasn't been a good original slasher movie since

The Descent

The Hills Have Eyes was decent.

Solved the cellphone problem too.

Don't breathe was pretty good

It wasn't over the course of the film. It was only at the end that Micheal killed people (except for his sister in the opening.)

Time for you to rewatch the movie. You lucky dog.

Speaking of dogs, the only thing Micheal killed during the film was the dog. Only in the final act did he start to kill people (and only 3 of them. Halloween 2 doesn't count because it's an over-the-top piece of shit.)

The writer and director both said it was a slasher.

Your move.

I'm pretty sure that Michael killing the couple happens in the second act, roughly halfway through the film, which sets the third act where Laurie get's chased around the house in motion. You know, the iconic scene where he kills the boyfriend and then dresses up in the ghost costume before strangling the girl with the telephone cord?

Admittedly, it has been a while since I've seen it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not making that up.

Got a source?

Even then though, I'd say that there was a only little bit of homage to 80's slasher movies mixed in there at best. To sell the movie as a straight up slasher would be disingenuous.

That was a creature feature, not a slasher.

What? Did you even watch it? There were no monsters, she was the killer.

Scary Movie is the superior movie and it did The Usual Suspects ending better.

>movie is a creature feature for 99% of its runtime
>somehow it's a slasher despite having absolutely zero slasher elements just because they pulled a twist ending

No.

>Dewey was the thrid killer

WHAT?

ISsn't JC working on the new Halloween movie? I heard rumors he might even compose the soundtrack.

He is working on it. I wonder how many cases of beer he'll need this time. It was 2 cases for Halloween 2, wasn't it?

It's an old theory, mostly based on the first moments of the first movie. When the boyfriend is outside he look to both sides, as if he's seeing two killers on either sides. Then when the girl flees the killer is REALLY fast at running around the house to catch her. Also I think there's something about the front door being locked or unlocked. But the whole point of the two killers shtick was so they could give eachother alibis. I think it was Stu who was with his girlfriend that night, thus giving him the alibi for that night.

Then it just got fuelled further when Dewey's gimp leg and arm changed to the opposite one in the third movie, and him having a line about how he's only pretending to be clumsy to lure people into a false sense of security before catching the bad guy.

I kinda like it.

>there will never be another successful slasher franchise

Well no shit. The horror genre is dead as fuck. People want "MUH PARANORMAL ACTIVITY" based on the true story filmed with a go-pro bullshit with a million and one jump scares. If it isn't that then they want some pseudo-psychological horror bullshit that tries to be 2deep4u but just comes off as pretentious as fuck by some corny ass numale nigga with a hipster beard, plaid shirt and glasses.

The last decent horror movie I seen was Insidous and even that isn't saying much because Insidous itself isn't that great but the first one was pretty decent and then look at what happened. Hollywood put out a decent film and then they go all SAW/Call of Duty and start putting out multiple sequels to run the shit into the ground. Same shit the faggots that made V/H/S did. You get a decent thing that people like...oh shit I can make some money off of this? Let me just run this shit into the ground until I destroy everything that made it enjoyable and somewhat unique.

Final Destination was probably the only recent horror franchise series that didn't over saturate the fucking market by putting out a movie every 8 months...and that's probably the reason why people still flock to theaters to see the movies when they actually do put one out. God Hollywood jews are fucking idiots.

And for the record, the pseudo-psychological pretentious bullshit I was referring to was shit movies like Babadook, Goodnight Mommy, and It Follows.

the things that start trends aren't automatically bad; blame the unoriginal shitters instead of the original

there aren't only one trend going at any given time
the remake/reboot/continuing old franchises/movies trend is still by far the biggest and worst

Remakes aren't inherently bad. Movies such as the Thing and The Fly are some of the greatest that the genre has to offer, and as mentioned earlier in this thread the Town that Dreaded Sunday remake is pretty damn good.

The problem is that with horror remakes these days, they play it super safe. They don't try anything new and/or interesting. The studios are more interested in retreading the same bullshit that worked before, but without any of the charm or ingenuity that made the films they're lampooning so great. It's all low effort bullshit, because making a good movie isn't important when you have a name that will sell tickets regardless of quality.

What makes it so offensive in horror specifically is that safe is the opposite of scary. The good remakes I listed above all took huge chances and put in a lot of effort to do something unique and different with the established ideas they were working with. They stand hand in hand with the original films.

I would gladly welcome more movies like that.

Unfortunately, in the current nostalgia cash-in market we're currently living in where Blumhouse makes millions by churning out the same cheap crap that's more profitable that doing something actually fresh I don't think it's going to happen.

Shame too, because I will never get over how much potential was wasted on the Nightmare on Elm Street remake and hope to someday see someone take that concept and do something wild with it using what we've learned about the science behind dreams since the 80's and modern computer effects to create crazy dream sequences that would actually BENEFIT this kind of movie.

>The Finale Girls
it's The Final Girls you dongos

cant believe im reading this scream is the worst slasher of all time

I thought she only killed the chick that slept with her husband. I don't think she killed everyone.