I hate to say it but I really don't see how Goku can beat Jiren

I hate to say it but I really don't see how Goku can beat Jiren.

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Goku has to let himself be nearly defeated, thus boosting his own power.

Honestly if the writing was going to improve, which at least plot concept has already in super, he probably wont. The show would be so much better if Goku and company get fucking bodied, and all destroyed universes brought back by Jiren's wish. Up until the angels and GoDs, hes always toppled foes eventually(few exceptions)

"This is Goku. We tried it once your way Jiren. Are you game for a rematch?" - Dragon Ball Super, The Wrath Of Jiren

How he always does. With plot armor

>goku meets impossible to defeat opponent
>gets btfo first
>suddenly unlocks new ability or finds a way to become even stronger
>battle looks close, but you know goku wins
>bad guy defeated( either gets another form or dies for good)
>humanity is saved
>dragonball revives everyone
Rinse and repeat.

but jiren shat all over ultra instict though

>battle looks close, but you know goku wins
The only reason why he supposed is above ultra instinct is for putting out more episodes. Which in return gives them more money.

Should have ended at DBZ. Only good thing about DBS is Ultra Instinct Shaggy meme

Not really. He just kept up

>I really don't see how Goku can beat Jiren
By being the main character, how he wins everything.

The problem with this shit is that who can come after Jiren? A God of destruction? Then who? And angel? Then the grand priest? You have made Goku and Vegeta too powerful. You need to focus on Trunks and Giten now

Possible goku and vegeta fusion? At this point frieza is useless

Wrong. Jiren's team is going to win and Goku's universe (ours) will be delete, it'll all go to black and then the show is finally over.

>Should have ended at DBZ
I support this notion. DBZ had an ending that made you feel content. You saw goku growing up and realising his full potential and power. GT tried to recapture said spirit by turning him young again and have him grow from there. The only problem was that GT's plot was boring and took to long to get to the interesting sagas. And super is just the stale old formula.

ultra instinct

If the writers at Toei have any sense they'll let them lose, however universe 7 won't be destroyed because Zeno won't allow Goku to die, thus keeping his friends alive because it would ruin their friendship. Jiren may or may not wish them back, and if he doesn't, this could lead into a "save the universes" arc or something, searching for the Super Dragon Balls. Since their power is seemingly limitless the other gods would logically be interested, which then makes actual gods the next logical obstacles. After successfully becoming stronger than gods, Goku and Jiren inevitably fight again and what happens from there I don't care to theorize about.

He will defeat him with muso tensei, I mean "Ultra instinct".

It's sad, original DB and early Z were such good mangas/shows

KAIOKEN...
>Kaio- wat?
TIMES
>NO NO NO NO
A MILLION BILLION GILLION INFINITY

Did none of you niggers watch 122? We get a new vegeta form in 123. It says it at the end "[b]egeta unlocks a new power beyond SSB"

No.

>It's sad, original DB and early Z were such good mangas/shows
The movies were great too. Goku vs Broly, it showed broly as being so powerful that he couldn't take him out alone and that he needed help from others.

Yes

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DBS is wonderful and you should feel bad if you're not watching it :^)

I was watching porn, then all of a sudden I see this...

Did they ever find this guy?

That would actually make things interesting

Cartoons are for babies

>cheap shitty animation
>cringey dialog
>retarded bullshit storylines
Ok kid

...

The best outcome for this saga would be fucking Vegeta finally unlocking some shit Goku doesn't have (hinted at this last episode) and wrecking fucking face all over Jiren.

Give Vegeta a fucking goddamn win for once. He's paid his dues.

>better animation than Z
>Z's dialog was cringefest "power of friends" faggotry
>Z:but wait there's different androids from the future and a sekret guy made of other guys

Fuck your chicken strips

He isn't, vegeta will beat jiren.

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Dragonball Super is fucking garbage.

I think you mean Chicken tendies

it is obvious that goku uses defense ultra instinct and vegeta uses offense ultra instinct

so they fuse into vegeto SSBSS king kai fist x50 perfect ultra instinct

that sounds retarded typing out but that's what is up

I am extremely torn on DBS...

While I fucking love the series and this story line, I can't bring myself past the undubbed version of Goku's voice...it is so bad, it distracts me from the fucking show.

Fucking stuck waiting months for it to show on Toonami.

>baby only watched english DBZ

why live

Same way he beat Freeza: with Goku ex Machina.

>went super saiyan
>MUH PLOT ARMOR
>literally the plot

>cat man and his gay boyfriend eat pudding.
>roid rage turbo dike super saiyans
>fat cat man with his gay boyfriend
Yeah it's funny how I don't remember any of that from dbz

Nigger

I wake up wondering that every day.

lmao Jiren hasn't even fought SS2 goku or mystic Gohan. Goku is going to fucking CREAM Jiren.

No but he beat down SSB Goku

>he doesn't remember the fat cat man with his gay boyfriend from dbz

>jiren wins
>He's from one of the already erased universes
>Wishes all universes back
>Next arc will be to do with another universe

Wonder what kind of arc will be next? Isn't Jiren the most powerful mortal?

This.
It's a stupid show meant for children.
It's like arguing about transformers.

it's because goku doesn't have attack ultra instinct, just defense. All of his attacks were weaker than normal when he was in UI mode

so what you're saying is... it's fun?

Which doesn't make any damn sense at all. Super is shit tier.

Or Jiren wins, Goku and friends get destroyed, and then meet all of the other universes in the void

Next arc is them trying to escape the void, then they do and beat the God guys.

>killing a lucrative franchise for no reason
I doubt it

Because he's not a fucking week who thinks he gets more out of the show by not understanding what their saying and instead having to stare at the bottom of the screen the whole time. Plus jap gokus voice is the most annoying shit

>become certain Goku will get a new power and shit on him
>goku powers up and still gets shit on
>notice that Vegeta hasn't done much
>huh maybe this will be his moment like with fat buu
>gets shit on

I don't know I think Toriyama is gonna do it. White hair Gohan saves the day. Don't forget Tori wanted Gohan to be the star long ago. Maybe this is really it. Nah... Goku and Veg will fuse and go ultra instict and win.

Jiren looks like he was designed by someone on Deviantart, no wonder he's so powerful

Saiyns losing and getting more powerful from battles is literally the point of the entire series.

Weeb*
>fuck auto correct

Shit taste.

BURN

i want this

Kek

Gohan was always my favorite character

they pretty much denounced zenkai boosts as minimal and useless at this power level

Bullshit main character powers. Or Toei's gonna be all like "fuck it, let Jiren win. We were just going to have Goku wish everyone back anyway, so we might as well let the bad guys do it."

been a thing since namek dumbass.

I want you.

Except zenkai boosts are a moot concept. At this point it's solely forced plot magic, Goku never had the potential to be a god, period.

Did they at least fix the fuck-up that was Gohan AFTER the Cell Games ended?

It's been a thing since dragonball faggot, they just gave a name to describe it later.

No, he's still alive.

>Spoiler alert: He's still ass in super. They peaked him against cell and just never did anything with him, even now.

No. Mystic Gohan against Buu was a struggle but suddenly he's able to fight guys stronger than Buu like it's exercise. Fix? No, they nerfed the fuck out of Gohan because Goku was still the favored character but gave him slight boosts to save face.

Goku's not going to win vs Jiren, they are going to use the potaras in the last two ep of the arc and give us Ultra Instinct Vegito

God I wish you guys could hear how dumb all of this shit sounds. Toiletyama should have called it quits after Dragon Ball.

I doubt it

It is dumb, everything after the Frieza/Namek saga was utter trash.

They gonna probably milk the arc more and use ultra instinct gogeta with the bullshit reasoning that goku brings the defensive and vegeta the offensive ultra instinct to combine THE ULTIMATE PLOT ARMOR

Kinda like that shit with Trunks against Zamasu lmao. TARD RAGE ACTIVATE!

And maybe Ultra Instinct Vegito is at Whis level of power, that would be insane

youtube.com/watch?v=FoxeyKHWdCU

Yeah dude, I'll give it 2 more filler episodes.

>goku gets bodied
>gohan gets ultra instict
>vegeta and gohan fuse
>ultimate ultra instinct mastered blue vegetan

Why? He's swimming in yen right now.

Bad assumptions in this video. We don't know where Jiren's max power is, and we haven't even seen Whis fight so these are super presumptuous statements that are probably wrong.

vegeta gonna unlock UI ATK mode and then fuse with goku UI DEF mode and then fuck jiren in whatever he has that passes for an ass.

Bet the grey still rapes fusion UI and wins the tourney.

This show is a piece of shit...horrible writing & cheap skin colors that you normally see in the early video game era.

yea but they can't sell merchandise with the same goku they've been selling for 10 years but then CAN sell merchandise if its a goku with different colored hair and eyes

Bro thats the Vegeta scene for the fans. Like he is going to be sooo powerfull for a while that ppl will claim that he is stronger than goku. later he is going to be defeated and goku will win with the ultra instinct

DBZ was thought until the Freeze arch, after that they just kept to make money. think how awesome it would be if it ended with goku becoming a legendary warrior that has no match on the universe?

this is going to happen

to be fair, vegeta's blue has been stronger than goku's since that goku black vs vegeta rematch, but I agree that they're gonna make goku win because that's how dragon ball works

I figured Goku would end up losing but gain the notoriety of the Grand Priest as a pupil. I think Jiren will wish all the universes Zeno destroyed to be brought back because he sees the bigger picture.

Fist me Daddy Vegeta

and animes are for real mens

An opponent who is Goku's mirror: cheerful, charismatic as hell, inspires the best in his friends. When he isn't fighting, he's insanely civil. Problem is, he's hopelessly addicted to pushing himself....well past the point of recklessness. He's Goku with the safety switches off. In combat, he is absurdly sharp in raw intelligence and gut instincts.

This.
Goku has defence UI, Vegeta will have Attack UI.
With their powers Combined they create Captain Planet.

In a lot of ways, when in the heat of battle, he's a different person altogether.

And unlike a lot of Goku's opponents, he begins as an ally...until his addiction to pushing his power levels drives him to challenge Goku.