When did this socialist boogeyman meme begin?
What's so bad about socialism? What's so bad about believing laborers shouldn't be exploited, should get some time off, shouldn't be forced to work 16 hours a day, are entitled to a safe work environment, that there shouldn't be a non-working class, made of people who don't contribute to society yet live in luxury, and that all families should be able to send their children to school and shouldn't be forced to make them work in order to survive?
>Danish population 5.7million
>USA population: 350million.
Really makes you think huh
Socialism and capitalism explaned pic related. Nothing more or nothing less.
It started when ignorant people started being opinionated and parroting slogans created by the ruling class to turn them into useful idiots.
It comes with its price. In Denmark, lower & middle class citizens have to pay 45% in taxes. The ones who own a bussines pay 60%.
In my opinion, the ones who are smart and industrious deserve to life a live in luxury. The dumb, lazy ones should not be gifted by the ones who made the right decisions.
Nice source on those rankings
Where do you get those numbers from?
>that there shouldn't be a non-working class,
because the end goal should be that everyone belongs to the non-working class
>FDR
Nice tyrant there socialists
48 now?
forgot source on my numbers, sorry
doingbusiness.org
>ranked #1 for business
Nice source.
I think its more about the homogeneity of the people than the number of the people
if the americans were 90% white and without jewish influence they would be much better off I can imagine
Capitalism can't handle post-scarcity, so it obviously wouldn't be able to achieve that.
>48 hour work week
I mean, I could work 48 hours if I wanted to, but I don't have to.
This. Also look at American spendings on their army compared to Denmark.
Nice strawman
FDR ran as a fiscal conservative and then got in bed with all those people he is complaining about.
yeah, what a dreadful time to live that must have been. i'm so glad we can safely lick the boots of our superiors now.
that's why i'm a #trumplet
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Funny to hear that coming from a Mexican, where a couple of decades earlier a communist tyrant (namely Plutarco Elias Calles) came to power with the support of a Republican president of the US.
The more I argue with anti-socialist shills, the more I realize their opinions are based on ignorance.
im sick of you niggers citing denmark as a succes of socialism. we are NOT a succes because of socialism, we are a succes due to our small, hardworking, homogenous country. why dont you say how great sweden is? germany? perhaps even norway?
because they are not fucking white anymore. they are turning to shit. socialism is a rare side effect of a succesful society, not the reason for its succes.¨
its always burgers spouting this stupid shit. id be thrilled to live in america if it was white..
I have no fucking clue how they get to 33 hour-week.
I don't know anyone who has to work more than 40 hours.
How much money does an average danish man get after taxes compared to an american?
>using 1947-1974 to say FDR dindu nuffin
You need a free helicopter tour.
hahahaha ebin meme XDDDD
last sentence: shouldn't have to work to survive. Commie pussy Bullshit. fucking moooslim.
>Stop triggering me!! Anything I don't like is communism and is literally Stalin and worthy of le ebin helicopter meme stop triggering muh feelz REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
(you)
Right here OP, when the Jews genocidal ideology killed 60 Million people.
Fuck all.
>t. triggered turkroach
It is different though. I did the working semester in the USA and we worked maybe 50 hours and more. The working ethic in america is different and I have to say working 50+ hours in the USA is a lot more relaxing than working 40 in Germany.
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>implying Denmark is in any way comparable to Stalinist Russia
What nordic countries are doing, or trying to do, with free healthcare, education and welfare isn't actually that bad, it can stabilize the society and reduce problems caused by poverty.
One could even argue that free healthcare, education and welfare aren't necessarily socialist agendas, since capitalistic society will benefit from the effects of it too. So you could call them centrist positions even. Like justice system, police and military, you really can't attribute them to any single political ideology because they are deemed necessities in modern society.
But what is left outside of those basic needs, is where the socialism begins, and where it fails pretty fucking spectacularly. Controlling the masses like they are mindless drones and enforcing retarded policies because socialism doesn't recognize individuals and their rights and freedoms. They hand money hand over fist to their friends and businesses like crony capitalists do. They really harm the whole entire society with their psychotic need to control every little thing, and most of all, they harm the very things socialists most often refer to the "good things" in socialism, free healthcare, education and welfare. By stifling healthy market structures needed to fund them.
Socialism is just fucking retarded ideology.
How so?
I do [spoiler] While also studying full time. Mfw fellow students complain about not having money. [/spoiler]
EVERY
HUMAN
BEING
DESERVES
MONEY
LEARN THIS SHITLORDS
I AM NOT GOING TO WORK EVER, NO OTHER HUMAN BEING WILL TELL ME WHAT TO DO
I WRITE ARTICLES FOR THE LOCAL PAPER, AND I WEIGH 210LBS, I DON'T WORK
>le commie joke
This
Hell, just about any form of government can work in a homogenous high trust society.
sure, mr. white trailer trash american
Ranked 1st for business?
By fucking whom?
What utter shite.
What do you expect from a recently collapsed society? Things were in some ways better in 1973 than 1993.
Denmark nearly all white
America. 13% nigger
Denmark population under 10 mill
USA population. Over 300 mil
Socialism works fine in small nations of mainly white or asian people.
But when you have a huge class of poor people like america does it becomes unfeasible since they are such a gigantic tax burden.
Example almost all of our school funding goes to shitty inner city schools with no results.
Basically i will support socialism in america when we have a big wonderful wall to keep the uneducated poor masses out and the negros in our society raise themselves up out of poverty.
(So probably never)
Until that day socialism is not possible here
why do you think that money you didn't worked for belongs to you, user?
that's cuckery
My work week is 37 hours and always has been.
Oh, right. I'm not on /tg/ anymore.
>Denmark #1 for business
>USA #18 for business
Okay that can't be true
All this butthurt. Socialism is shit, kill yourself.
1820s. When French fags and the Owens preached the death of God and limits in numbers of children to all families and free love
Demark is not a socialist country. You people are idiots. You have no idea what socialism is. Everyone on this board is a brain dead swivel eyed racist loon.
And the US has now come full circle.
That's nothing. We've gone and thrown socialists into power all over the world. Check out the book I Saw Poland Betrayed
Why did they collapsed? Von Mises literally write how and why socialism will collapse in 1920s. It was not unexpected or unique to Soviet Union. Socialism dont work. Look socialist calculation debate.
It is a lot more relaxed. Americans sit at other peoples desk and have small talk. The social aspect in the USA is tighter and you not constantly working. (In the office, obviously)
A meeting in Germany starts with introductions and then then every point is worked off. In the USA you have chit chats all the time and talk a lot more.
It is really hard to explain. All I can say is that I liked my coworkers in Germany as much as I liked them in the USA, but after 35-40 hours in Germany I feel really exhausted while in the USA it is more like the day just began after work and I feel still energetic.
I believe we germans use the time to work more efficiently. We really work 8 hours straight and rarly have private conversations during work that go longer then a couple of minutes. In the US it is totally ok to go to another desk and simply chat.
I should add that I only worked in the US for 6 months and it was a engineering job in an office. However other german students agreed mostly with me.
Maybe it is the amercan mentality. They say something just to say something nice and then you say something nice back. So everyone is simply nice for the sake of being nice.In Germany you are not. Initially all the German students I worked with said that the americans are shallow, because they don't really care and only hold chit chat, but once we understood the mentallity we all appreciated it.
It is hard to explain, but when an american says "isn't the weather nice" you go like "yeah it is a lovely day isn't it" while a german might say "The temperature is a little to high for me so I had to take of my top. Secondly, my car will be heating up since I parked it in the sun. The spots under the tree are not good because the birds shit on it. All in all I would prefer a drop in 2 C° for an optimal feeling of comfortability."
I am exaggerating, but maybe you get my point.
I love that image.
Protip, if the US pulled out of NATO and stopped fronting the bill for Europes military, those benefits would disappear overnight. The only reason these countries get these benefits is BECAUSE of the US
So national socialism?
I work between 56 and 58 hours a week. I sit on my ass and read for around 50 of those hours.
How much money does an American make after you take out what you have to spend on college tuition and healthcare, things the Danish get free: Fuck all.
You should be punched in your NUTS 2 region
Check out the book I Saw Poland Betrayed and John T Flynn's book on China
>implying I'm the butthurt one
Goddamn you're fucking retarded
Source?
As far as I can tell US doesn't front any bills for the EU's military and our healthcare system, etc is paid FROM THE COLLECTIVE TAX we pay. US has nothing to do with it.
You're not making the EU better burgerfat.
>What's so bad about socialism?
Ask Venezuela.
Take a look at how much we contribute to NATO. Now consider how EU has a greater GDP than the US, and they contribute next to nothing.
>33-hour work week
stop with this fucking meme already, I swear to G-d.
>denmark #1 for business
what business? the business of shitposting?
>Denmark is the same as Venezuela
Open a fucking book
>funded with the taxes they've paid
>free
>Sweden
>Talking about punching nuts
topkek
proxxy.
>Socialism in Denmark is the same as it would be in USA
Open a fucking book
what would be far better is no government at all, no bills passed dictacting your way of life, no taxes, no survival of the fittest, and not needing a declaration of human rights written on a piece of paper to give you some illusionary form of confidence, why couldn't it be ethically obvious?
a solution would be advancements and major state funded and owned STEM companies dedicated to making life easier, and artificial intelligence, but governments are not putting enough priority on renewables apart from monetizing the carbon footprint, and giving more power to corps. As far as i'm concerned with the way things are going, future is bleak.
>Von Mises
Extreme faggot
>It is a lot more relaxed.
I think this is something that gets overlooked in these threads. Most 8-hour workdays in the US do not involve working for 8 hours. You get an hour for lunch, a 15 min break or two, plus downtime during the day. A good amount of people on Sup Forums right now are at "work".
The real question is were you born retarded?
this europe is so deep in the welfare state thanks to having no army at all with U.S. protection
>ranked 1st for business
yeah, Danish people have so many succesful multi-nationals like lego... er lego...
they´ve got lego too
>33 hour work week
the meme is stronk with this one
>What's so bad about socialism?
It wrecks the economy, that's why Scandinavian countries don't use socialism as a mode of production. They just distribute some services this way. Capitalist "exploitation" is the lifeblood of their economies. The ones that set out to build "true" socialism end up without toilet paper.
When capitalism puts you in the top 10 richest countries per capita, you can afford the luxury of providing some "free" shit for everyone, at least until the diversity arrives at your doorstep. But it's a luxury - the leftist equivalent of a diamond-encrusted watch. It's more wasteful to provide services this way, but it makes the bureaucrats and the leftist intelligentsia feel like they matter. They feel like they're making a difference, when all they're doing is irresponsibly throwing other people's money at the problem.
Those that actually make headway, inventors and entrepreneurs, are obstructed by socialist policies.
>52% tax.
>25% value added tax on all products.
>150% registration tax on cars.
Now, Copenhagen has a population density of something like 5,100 people/mi^2, and has a GDP per capita at $113,996 millions. The US city that resembles Copenhagen on these two factors the most is St. Louis, Missouri.
When comparing the Cost of Living:
>Consumer Prices in Saint Louis, MO are 22.48% lower than in Copenhagen
>Consumer Prices Including Rent in Saint Louis, MO are 26.46% lower than in Copenhagen
>Rent Prices in Saint Louis, MO are 35.76% lower than in Copenhagen
>Restaurant Prices in Saint Louis, MO are 42.08% lower than in Copenhagen
>Groceries Prices in Saint Louis, MO are 2.37% lower than in Copenhagen
>Local Purchasing Power in Saint Louis, MO is 38.08% higher than in Copenhagen
(Source: numbeo.com
THIS is why Socialism is fucking cancer. You get a fuckton bureaucracy for NOTHING. NAUGHT. Except a stagnant economy and NO WA to roll the socialist shit back, because 8/10 journalists and teachers vote for Socialist parties, kids are indoctrinated, and everyone is afraid of having to take care of themselves, thinking they can't do it. Play around with the cost of living site, and try some cities comparable to Danish cities of any size. Just try and make them relatively equal in pop. density and wealth, and I GUARANTEE you that it will more expensive in Denmark.
Denmark has something like 0.5-ish% growth on average for the last few years, while the US has had 2% on average, which is pretty healthy.
Now let me tell you why Denmark is #1 for doing business. Less costly, more streamlined, less regulation, easier overall, easier to pay taxes, free trade, etc. Go check it at doingbusiness.org
So you're say you want an anarchistic/libertarian country that's probably sooner or later is going to turn into a decadent degenerate society with no real direction.
You talk about a state funded and owned STEM companies but how would that be possible when there is no fucking Government and nobody is paying taxes? How is it going to be funded in anyway?
>dedicated to making life easier
You should strive to improve the life of your people but to make life "easier" just sounds lazy to me.
>let me show some polish-political-quality images to prove my point.
Yes you are just a subhuman as polish people, we know already alright?
>Really makes you think huh
>think
>huh?
>think...
Really makes me want to fucking kill you.
>i want free shit
Denmark is an anomaly that can't be recreated in the US.
There's also lots of negatives with it. (pic related)
US military spending is less than 20% of the budget, though.
We spend 2.5 trillion dollars per year on Medicare and Social Security; which is way bigger than military spending.
>a country with vastly lower corporate taxes and less regulations is more inviting to business than a country with more regulations and taxes and we have the numbers to prove it
>WE NEED TO TAX THEM AT 90% BECAUSE FUCK CORPORATE GREED!
t. Liberals
Um. Population difference. Totally different animal when you have 370 mil people vs 20 mil. KEKS!
Fuck off with this shit...population dipshit...population.
>FDR talking about war profiteering
lel
Also, you have it backwards.
People tried Marxism en masse in the 20th century, realized it was shit, then reverted back.
>le ranked 1 for business
explains why all of our businesses are here and not over there.
really makes you think...
>When did this socialist boogeyman meme begin?
During the cold war, I believe.
And `Murricuns have been brainwashed into using it like a curse ever since.
>Capitalist "exploitation" is the lifeblood of their economies.
You know that the Norwegian state own the majority of the oil they drill up, rather than letting some benign capitalist with the nations best interests at heart doing it?
A decent way to pay for public services IMO, as opposed to encouraging an oligarchy or "throwing other people's money at the problem".
What does "ranked #1 for business mean"? What is this ranking based off of and what is your source?
Looks like you did a flip already faggot
Not an argument.
Funny thing is, the reason they say "TAX THEM AT 90%!!!" is because we have so many loopholes, and the massive socialist-style bureaucracy that polices these things is inefficient.
Trump want's to elimnate the tax loopholes, and charge them a rate of roughly 30%; but it will actually be more effective than what we have now. Autistic commies just see the overall rate going down, and sperg-out. They're dogmatic meatheads that thing all rich people must be evil and out to get them.
Not to shit on your point but St. Louis is 43% black, and is a shithole as a result, I'd rather live in Copenhagen.
I just graduated and make 40,000 euros after taxes and pension contribution. Literally don't know what to do with all the money