Stefan Molyneux is absolutely insane. He actually thinks a peaceful, stable society could exist without any government present at all.
He has other good points that make sense but his understanding of human nature is virtually zero. For a person who has read Aristotle and others how can he fall flat on this?
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He probably hasn't even read Aristotle. He has a MA in history.
He has figured out the truth by now, but is scared that he will lose his audience if he goes full redpill
Now that he has accepted that he does it for the money, he's not so worried with keeping up his philosopher personality. Instead he's now making videos to get more viewers; such as movies and video-game reviews
He claimed in one of his videos countries invade other countries to take over their tax system. This guy is retarded.
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He also tries to convince people to break all contact with their parents EVEN IF THEY SAY THEIR PARENTS DID NOTHING WRONG TO THEM because he has severe mummy issues.
>Peaceful stable society without governments
A limited, minimalist government is a good thing.
No government would be gay as hell.
Not an argument.
He's never experienced any real parenting throughout his childhood. It's amazing that this
is the most fucked up he ever turned out to be, considering how fucking insane abused kids tend to grow up to be.
I suppose he tells people to cut their parents off if they refuse to even attempt to see their way; he probably thinks that abuse is a much more likely circumstance than it actually might be.
He literally said he'd have murdered his mother is she wasn't his mother and also constantly talks about spanking and how bad it is. He's got severe mummy issues.
I know not an argument is a meme,
but I've literally never seen an argument against this guy.
ONE DOLLUH
I've never heard him make an argument himself
dude just rambles on being smug for an hour
NOT
AN
ARGUMENT!!
DO YOU SUPPORT ME BEING SHOT
If we gas all the sub 100 IQ trash, it could easily exist.
He argues it on a very hypothetical basis from our current situation. A generation or 2 down the line, everyone brought up with these values. Not just flipping a switch and magically no longer having government.
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What's so exceptionally odd about Stefbot is that he tries to unify AnClapism with "virtue" and empathy when the axiom of AnClapism is just liberty. Most Anclaps do not give a singular fuck about how their society turns out as long as property rights and NAP are obeyed. For example just look at Murray Rothbards psychopathic ramblings about how parents have the right to let their children starve because the children are their property, and how they can just sell them and there will be a "flourishing market of children". Or any time they call any sorts of horrors that must be tolerated "a tribute to our liberty". A choice between starvation and wageslavery is completely legitimate according to libertarian thought because it is, after all, a choice.
Generally he just keeps harping on about how initiation of force is evil, period. I guess that's because it's a pretty simple point to make that anyone can understand while political theorizing is complex and doesn't get views.
He also thinks that parents spanking their children is one of the most paramount, serious issues facing the world today, and that rectifying it is one of the few factors that will lead to a utopia. I'm not exaggerating any of that--regardless of where you fall on the issue of spanking, he genuinely does believe that if all parents were to stop spanking their children tomorrow, it would usher in a new era of peace. The guy's a maniac.
By his own logic his world view is warped because he had an abusive mother and a nonexistent father figure.
>full redpill
give it to me Pablo.
The Jewess controlls everything? I already know that.
I'm quite curious to see how his daughter will turn out.
I'm actually curious, how does he envision a stateless society functioning?
Without a tax-sponsored legislative government, police force and justice system, who would create, enforce and uphold laws? Does he think that everyone will spontaneously agree upon a universal ethical system and willingly stick to it under all circumstances?
How would scientific research that has no immediately obvious practical applications get funding? Think LHC and similar big expensive projects. No profit-oriented business would ever invest in something like that.
I get that 'Who would build the roads?' isn't an argument, since companies could still build roads on land they own and charge people fees to maintain them. But would planning and maintaining roads really be done as well by companies as by governments? Like, if a company built a really shitty and dangerous road that people HAD to use, like on a mountain pass with no alternative road for hundreds miles, what incentive would that company have to build a better road? In the case of a government, people could hold their elected officials accountable if someone died on that road.
I agree that smaller governments are usually better, but no government at all just doesn't seem like it could work.
Keep whining you butthurt faggot. You're just making him stronger.
>AnClapism with "virtue" and empathy
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>How would scientific research that has no immediately obvious practical applications get funding?
He doesn't want it to
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"Fuck Physics, go make iPhones"
What does Sup Forums think of based Bill Whittle?
Is he redpilled?
Lol no it couldn't, retard. Then you'd just get conquered by smarter people.
Are you sure you didn't mishear him?
I thought he might have been referring to when the US interfered in the Iraqi economy and then abandoned it once it went to shit, basically destabilising the whole economy.
This fucking bot again.
Wow, that's just tragic.
You could easily argue that philosophy, which is his self-proclaimed occupation, is just as if not much more useless than theoretical scientific research.
He makes some good points on certain topics, but Stef really is cognitive dissonance personified.
If you feel the need to physically abuse your child, it means you don't respect them and cannot control them, they'll never want to learn the world from your perspective because all they see and will remember is violent abuse. Hitting a child is cowardly and pathetic frankly.
Yes. Without visible government. Rule by corporations.
Because government can be elected and the people are too retarded to stand up for democracy.
So it is possible, that corporations would just cancel public politics.
>Shilling your political opinion on the Internet for handouts is more valuable than expanding our understanding of the universe.
Alot of those things can easily be administered by normal fucking people why should the politicos play middlemen to the elites. cut the middleman out and learn to wipe your own ass...when it comes to life. Putting your trust and sovereingty in the hands of businessmen was never really guna fucking work out.
with white people alone, it'd work
but you need strong borders to keep it white
the guy is intelligent but you can see the cracks begin to show when he talks about his own upbringing
i believe him when he says he had it hard, but you can tell he is still deeply troubled by it
Sup Forums is so bad at making arguments on WHY Molymeme is insane. It's hilarious.
>You could easily argue that philosophy, which is his self-proclaimed occupation, is just as if not much more useless than theoretical scientific research.
That's his stance. If you want to learn about philosophy, do it in the agora. He's doing it on Youtube, not in Academia.
Same thing with Physics. If it's useful, you don't need taxpayer's blood money.
this, note how he's toned down the anarchism shit a lot in his newer content
History pretty much proves you need an external authority to keep peace.
You can even manage to have some form of anarchism working but it's worth shit because your authoritan neighbor gonna fucking destroy you.
You can read between the lines that his vision is government with absolutely minimal power that the people can overthrow easily or even people's government, kind of mob rule but without mouthbreathers demanding unreasonable things.
Of course if there was an external and powerful threat liberty would have to suffer, but he never talks about that kind of scenarios.
No one is going to sell their children in our day and age, retard. These slippery slopes are so desperate.
Any way you look at it, parents who starve their children automatically get eliminated from the gene pool.
Problem is the female parenting skills for whites makes each successive generation worse.
I can't believe you are this retarded. If you can get people to voluntarily fund your theoretical physics research, he would actually promote the fuck out of you, but if you can't get people to do that, then you should better put your intellect to productive use instead of living off government handouts.
>People still don't understand why Molymeme is shifting paradigms
Because of immigrations policies + welfare, the white secular culture will disappear in no time. Before establishing a peaceful society and a free market, you have to learn some self-defense first.
That's not throwing every principles out of the window, it's self-defense + survivalism.
>people are so violent that we need a government full of people to protect us
Either your claim is true and thus the last thing we should do is give people power or your claim is false and we don't need government to protect us.
I always thought he sounded more vindictive than traumatized or unstable because of it.
>who would create, enforce and uphold laws?
There would be no government and therefore no laws. Are you fucking retarded?
"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." - Thomas Paine
Stef's stuff is sponsored by donations. That works since the cost of one dude recording himself on a camera and maintaining a website isn't ridiculously high.
Individual donations aren't going to build you a particle accelerator that costs billions of dollars to build and maintain, though.
Plus, the usefulness of a lot of scientific research isn't always immediately evident, but could still lead to huge improvements to technology and society down the line.
>No one is going to sell their children in our day and age, retard.
Not a fucking argument. This is exactly what the founding father of AnClapism argued you fucking retard.
>These slippery slopes are so desperate.
It's not a slippery slope. He's fucking explicit about and and literally even argues against any other interpretation. How about you actually read his works.
>Any way you look at it, parents who starve their children automatically get eliminated from the gene pool.
Sociopathy isn't some genetically heritable trait you fucking retard.
He believes that is the natural progression of humanity. He doesn't think we can just abolish the government today and everything will be great. He disagrees with Donald Trump fundamentally on almost every issue, but still defends him because he understands we are reaching a point of no return in regards to government expansion. The founding fathers made the push for less government, and we have been regressing back to tyranny with every year the government grows larger. You clearly don't understand his argument, and thus, your 'argument' is not an argument.
>Does he think that everyone will spontaneously agree upon a universal ethical system and willingly stick to it under all circumstances?
He believes that social ostracism will essentially create this. The problem is he overestimates the average person. The average white with 100 IQ doesn't even have basic philosophical or moral knowledge, they need religion to shove values down their throats, in other words they will just be indoctrinated by whatever authority figure exists at the time. Forget about your typical spic or black. If everyone was a Molyneux, then an anarchist society not could but would exist, but the physical realities of our condition seems to be ignored by him. The dumbness of your average voter has created what we have today - massive statism and irrationality. It just is.
So privatize and do some R/D ?
Or is physics so fucking useless that literally nobody want to pay billions of dollar for simulating black holes?
>TFW you realize all of these comments are ad hominem insults
>his understanding of human nature is virtually zero
Le "homo homini lupus" meme.
If all governments disappeared tomorrow, we would have a small period of massive chaos and violence, sure, but then we would settle back into peaceful communities.
Humans are tribal by nature, mister "I know human nature". Put a hundred of them together and they organize themselves spontaneously and give themselves rules that they respect on their own, because they realize that they need the support of the rest of the community to survive and thrive. Put a thousand of them together and they will spontaneously divide themselves into 3-4 tribes of like-minded people. Groups small enough (google Dunbar's number) that nobody can break the rules or profit from other people's work without being immediately identified and punished/expelled.
A complete anarchist society could, in fact, be very organized and peaceful. Countless tribes managed to do it for tens of millennia.
So what would stop society from becoming The Purge 365 days a year?
People who would do this kind of stuff would be socially ostracized so hard that they would stop.
If not, their children are going to be so fucked up that they won't survive in a cooperative environment.
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hes linking infowars now hes gone mental
>white male talking about philosophy
>Privelleged
This guy is just as fake as Trump about policies.
baka
You go to war with the army you have.
id really like it if alex stopped talking about the antichirst and chemtrails
>He has a MA in history.
isn't it philosophy? I think his bachelor is history.
I used to be an AnCap meme but after failing to understand how an NAP could be inforced in the world I feel that a very limited government is a necessary evil for the protection of the individuals property rights and nothing else.
>Not a fucking argument
You don't understand what an argument is then.
>It's not a slippery slope.
It is the common pattern: if we legalize x, everyone is going to start abusing it. It's presumptive and obnoxious.
>Sociopathy isn't some genetically heritable trait you fucking retard.
That's why people have a strong desire to nurture their children instead of starving them or selling them into slavery, the people who did that were eliminated from the gene pool, this isn't hard, Sven.
>A complete anarchist society could, in fact, be very organized and peaceful. Countless tribes managed to do it for tens of millennia
>implying those tribes weren't in a state of non-stop endemic warfare
>haha he has this no argument meme so funny xD
>what do you mean I have no arguments, it's just a meme you idiot
>omg stop muh feelings reeee cult leader white CIS male nazi trump
Love Stefbot threads, exposes all the invaders.
What's retarded about that? Taxing a conquered populace is a classic motivation for war.
You know that without quantum mechanics you wouldnt be able to write any message here,as transitors could would have not been invented right? Things like lasers,nuclear energy,missiles or electricity were developed by this nerds that only play with toys. This bold motherfucker is just a cult leader and a moron if he thinks that putting people like Laurence or Faraday in making Iphones would bring more things to the table.
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Yea ancaps are pretty retarded. Private industry definitely does everything more efficiently, but with zero government intervention theres no stopping companies from dumping their toxic waste onto playgrounds. And we know companies will do this, because they did it until the EPA existed.
>It's not gonna happen cuz I say so!!!
Is not an argument. So on top of being a psychopath you are also braindamaged. Either come up with a real reason why people wouldn't starve their children or stop posting.
>It is the common pattern: if we legalize x, everyone is going to start abusing it. It's presumptive and obnoxious.
Why don't you tell that to Rothbard? He's the one who argued that this would happen. What part of "we will have a flourishing market of children" is your tiny rat brain unable to comprehend?
>muh meme idea of biology tells me that evil people get wiped out because they don't procreate hahaha because the evil is like in their genes haha
This is what you sound like.
stef kinda strikes me as a borderline insane cokehead
Yeah,because companies are always investing for projects that would run loses for 50 years straight,eventhough,that research cpuld lead to fucking warp travel. You ancaps cant understand that the indivodual if it isnt backed by a strong leviathan behind it,would never achieve anything. Everything high tech that you are using was at first a useless meme,but know things like X rays or Computers are huge things in our daily lifes
no one here is pro ancap were all just waiting for stef to turn authoritarian
I'm an anarchist though.
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>we would settle back into new goverments or goverment like figures. Dont be delusional. That happened once and we ended up with socialism. Ending the goverment is a meme. Privatizing it in the other hand would be viable.
Then move to somalia
>Then you'd just get conquered by smarter people.
Aren't we all already?
Hi fellow swiss, let me give you some examples of non argument
>is absolutely insane
adhom
>He actually thinks (...)
Poisoning the well
> but his understanding of human nature is virtually zero
A claim with no arguments
>how can he fall flat on this?
Poisoning the well
>He probably hasn't even read Aristotle
False. He recently made a video about Aristotle, one of his favorite philosopher.
>but is scared that he will lose his audience if he goes full redpill
Not true, he shifted from prevention to survivalism.
>He also tries to convince people to break all contact with their parents EVEN IF THEY SAY THEIR PARENTS DID NOTHING WRONG TO THEM
tries to convince is a weasel word. He suggest therapy and recommend professional guidance. The "NOTHING WRONG" is a clear mischaracterization. Abuse has a shifting defintion but spanking, neglect, etc ... are defined as abuse and have repercussions.
>(He's wrong) because he has severe mummy issues
Not an argument
See? Nothing is even worth discussing. You can dismiss pretty much everything as attacks or fallacies.
>we would settle back into new goverments or goverment like figures.
Dont be delusional. That happened once and we ended up with socialism. Ending the goverment is a meme. Privatizing it in the other hand would be viable.
Fucked up the greentext
my dude there will literally be a tollbooth at every inch of your beloved privately owned and maintained strips of "road"
thats what an ancap paradise looks like
That's what Microsoft did though. 10+ years of investment for a GUI. Also don't compare physicists and engineers because engineers do work for their money where physicists are hidden in Academia.
But yeah, that's why nobody wants physicists to get billions of dollars because the return on investment is poor. Deal with it and stop being a fucking dead weight on society.
>He actually thinks a peaceful, stable society could exist without any government present at all.
you mean like this one did? mises.org
>nine years
>it didn't eat itself alive... a government came in and took over
government is force. it is an inherent violation of the non-aggression principle, and it is nothing but a nice word people use when they don't want to say "mafia."
there is a battle shaping up in the world.
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and you are on the side God will cast into the pit when he puts an end to it.
Throughout most of history, armies had far better weapons and armor than were available to the common people. In a country like the US, if the government were dissolved, nothing would stop the common people from producing or owning automatic weapons, ballistic weapons, full Kevlar armor, etc. Who would invade a stateless America? Canada? How could they beat a guerilla army over 150,000,000 strong in their own territory? Look at Vietnam.
Exactly, that's why I like the not an argument phrase. Because when discussing political matters, only arguments matter.
It's also no suprise that OP is cancuck posting.
Consumers own an ancap market. Nobody will pay for services that are so fucking inconvenient if they're not forced to. If the money leaves a company because they try to monetize every single road with toll booths, the company will fail and someone will find a way to draw in their former customers. Capitalism.
>Also don't compare physicists and engineers because engineers do work for their money where physicists are hidden in Academia.
>Says this using a laptop that would have never been developed with transitors that were a direct result of a "meme" theory like Quantum mechanics.
Pls have a brain. The private sector is not capitalized enough to take care of research,until megacorporations arises,ancap is only a backwards ideology,as private companies havent been able yet to open a fucking nuclear plant by themselfs,let alone take care of the world's research supply.
>Either come up with a real reason why people wouldn't starve their children or stop posting.
I already explained the rationale 2 times why people don't starve their children, you can you know go outside if you don't believe me. Your blatant non argument spamming is retarded, Sven I expect better of you.
>>muh meme idea of biology tells me that evil people get wiped out because they don't procreate hahaha because the evil is like in their genes haha
>strawman
Relax Sven, you don't want to be indebted to us again because of your reckless destruction.
In the study of social animals there is always an Alpha male leading a group of betas, and sometimes an Alpha female.
Humans are animals and are no difference in this respect when returned to the primal state.
In a complete stateless society you really think no one would try to take over and lead the others? You are naive if you think so.
Eventually an ambitious individual would seize power with the help of other men serving him. What he did with that power nobody knows, but it would just revert right back to the dictator-type system of government common to ancient & medieval times.
No you get it backwards: taxpayers money is used to fund "research" that's pure gambling. Where's the accountability on that?
If billions of dollars goes somewhere that may discover subparticles, I'd rather not pay these shitters.
On the other hand, if you got some R/D stuff, I'll buy the next computer/gadget.
The only way that ancap could work is through huge insurance companies that totally replace the state,and people could choose the insurance that they want,but this insurance companies would become megacorporations,which I really dont know if they are preferable to the state. Other than that ancap is a meme.
You would just get divided and conquered. It's why you need a uniform national defense. Go read some history.
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