Killing and Exploiting animals is morally wrong! Debate me!

Killing and Exploiting animals is morally wrong! Debate me!

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Let me explain before you retards start saying "b-but muh morals are subjective"

Argument for animal moral value:
> - Humans are of moral value.
> - There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourselves valueless.
Therefore without establishing the absence of such trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by deeming animals valueless.

Argument for veganism from animal moral value:
> - Animals are of moral value.
> - There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to consider anything short of non-exploitation to be an adequate expression of respect for human moral value.
Therefore without establishing the absence of such a trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by considering anything short of non-exploitation (veganism) to be an adequate expression of respect for animal moral value.

Destroying one of the backbones of our economy for the whim of animals who don't experience pain but rather uncounscious nociception is morally wrong.

>There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourselves valueless.
Sapience

No, I like lesbian porn though.
>implying the economy can't survive without animal agriculture
>implying that animals can't feel pain
Seriously what's your argument?

So if we where non sapiens we would deem ourself valueless?

go die u ffckin vegan UR MOM IS MY DAD n00b

So you suck cock but wont eat meat?

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Nope, I only eat pussy, but I tend to eat them alive.

Veganism doesn't work in a survival situation soy boys. End of story.

Yeah we debate moral vegans all the time. We debated ask yourself recently. Come on in and give it your best shot on our debate discord server:

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How does one exploit an animal?

21 people in that discord server not bad

Sorry, I didn't know you where living in a survival situation. Where did you get your internet connection from?
Seriously that's a non-argument, I would kill animals for my survival. I'm not selfless.

eh who cares, we all die anyway

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Lol everything's a "non-argument" when youre so far up your own ass. You realize youre not making any headway here. Literally pissing in an ocean of piss

Babies are delicious.

Because without that trait, we wouldn't have the intelligence to recognize it.
Loaded question, asshat

squirrel is delicious

It is weird that we murder things and cooked their flesh. I'm not anti meat either

Keeping them imprisoned, taking away their young, feeding them hormones and shit and collect their milk and menstruation.
Why not debate me now? Maybe I will check it out after this thread.
Not an argument, with such logic you would be able to rape, steal and murder.
Funny meme, do you have an argument though?

:/ no it's not

I bet you use that Ugandan Knuckles meme on a regular basis

Now when you say exploit....

do you mean sexually?

We have forward facing eyes that hunting animals have and canines for the grip and tear feeding mode. We're supposed to eat meat.

Lol do YOU have an argument soyboy. You really haven't put one up.

OP is a food cuck.
Bow down to your meat eating overlords!

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Like 90% of the people you try to debate with

I don't care

Why are you so intent on being involved in my life? I could always use another little spoon.

Non-argument
Where's your argument?

Your right exploiting children is better.

That why i haven't had to shovel or water the plants for 7 years now. I'm investing a lot.

I'm sure as FUCK going to get a return from it.

Implying I care
>sage. Lurk more newfag

Tell me how it is an argument, because it literally isn't.
Are you part of the satanic elite?
So? Would you if you where able to recognize it, kill another human that can't recognize it, for your consumption?
:-(
Yes, why aren't you anti meat? I'm guessing habit, is that right?
Yes it is, definitely in this day and age.
Also, do you know they artificially impregnate livestock by putting their entire arm "up there" with a syringe?

Just my opinion. I think most people who walked into a slaughter house would be pretty grossed out. You can smell the filth for miles around in your with the windows rolled up at pig and chicken farms

>implying taking away a billion dollar industry won't have a serious effect on things
>implying avoiding negative stimuli without having the higher cognitive ability to rationalize situations means that an organism can feel pain
It's obvious if you really cared you'd look more into this, but you dismiss everything as "not an argument" because you're a spineless chuck who knows he's wrong.

We weren't sapient we couldn't deem ourselves anything because we wouldn't have the ability to.

Are you purposely dense? Or just retarded?

I wouldn't kill another human the way a cat wouldn't kill another cat for food. Unless it was starving.

Fuck. Fix your writing too

>Implying the bull doesn't come around and impregnate cows whenever the fuck he wants in the wild.

Not like the female cows have a say.

meat's so fucking good dude. wanna reduce the meat production due environmental issues? fine, let's do it. but fuck you, you'll never ban my lamb ribs, even if i have to pay them double price. k? we can be friends now

yup, had to do that when i was younger because a couple of horses didn't get along. can't trade/sell horses to the Hutterites without horses

What about lions eating young calves and young animals and shit? It's part of nature for animals to be killed and eaten

Sigh...
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This is a required watching for every meat eater, mayor redpill.
Not an argument
I'm an older fag than you, only Newfags sage

>claims to be an oldfag

very new fag of you.

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Lol soy babies

>>implying taking away a billion dollar industry won't have a serious effect on things
Shit won't happen overnight and people will not start eating less, the money will go to other industries, to think that shrinkage of the meat & dairy industry is harmful is retarded.
>>implying avoiding negative stimuli without having the higher cognitive ability to rationalize situations means that an organism can feel pain
They avoid pain, they scream and express physical behavior when feeling pain. They have a central nervous system connected to the brain and neurons fire when pain is felt. I would say they are.
>It's obvious if you really cared you'd look more into this,
I did
>but you dismiss everything as "not an argument"
Only when there is no argument, tell me where the argument is.
>because you're a spineless chuck who knows he's wrong.
I'm right, you're the spineless cuck that can't admit he's doing something morraly wrong when you eat.
Why? And why would you kill animals?
Yeah so? Does that mean we should rape animals?

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Then we eat you and your kind. There will be a really new kind of vegan burger.

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Morality is subjective.

If you think so, why not go into the woods and start giving a wolf shit over it?

Animals eat animals, we're just a lot more efficient at it.

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Thread derailed get rekt vegans

1. Not it isn't.
2. Veganism is mental disorder, so debating you is a waste of time.

The animals we eat lack human intelligence, therefore there is no moral issue with eating and exploiting them.

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I eat meat but that logic is still fucked

Meat can be delicious, I'm not denying that but does pleasure justify killing?
Do what? Sorry don't know which one of the anons you are by your reply. Can you greentext it?
Sigh... since when do we justify our behavior by animal behavior? Some dogs roll in shit and some rape does that justify it?
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Is this how meatcucks cope?

Humans are animals idiot

This picture is you, debate me!

>Inb4 "but I can't debate you user, I'm too busy filling my ass with fruits and vegetables!"

It’s not morally wrong at all, animals eat other animals

Uprooting, cooking and eating vegetables is morally wrong. Especially brussel sprouts and cauliflower.

Fuck you slide thread.
Meal is tasty.
Everything what we do today was/is/will be morally wrong so who cares.

well we still are animals, and often refer to our primal instincts on many occasions, so it's a fair argument. I mean some people do roll in shit since they have shit fetishes and many people rape, so yeah, we kill and eat animals too. Most of the time in the non ethical sense, such as industrialized slaughterhouses, but it's the cheapest and fastest way to feed these fat fucks here in the US.

No but it's how soy boy cucks cope with life. Deny everything until your house of cards doesn't topple on you.

That’s not exploitation, that is their intended work.
Also if you’re inferring that harvesting fowl eggs are menstruation collecting, you’re wrong.
Fowl of any type do not have a womb by which to have a menstruation cycle - only mammals do.
Your argument isn’t very good.

It's definitionally not rape if the animal didn't have a choice to begin with. You know I'm right.

Meat can be tasty.

I'm ok with it with 2 conditions.

1. Treat the animals good while they are alive. Don't overly confine them, feed them ect.

2. Their death should be quick and painless.

I didn't kill the damn cow but if I had to I would and that's the point. If you wouldn't and you were going to die because "but muh cows have feelins" then you would die and deserve to be dead.
That is natural selection, ya know, how we sort dumbasses from smartasses

meat tastes good.
and before you ask, yes my pleasure justifys it. i don't care if they died suffering or not.
vegans/vegetarians will always be the minorities, so why bother

Case in point. Debate us.

Edgy also would never happen
>efficient
If you call fucking the environment and fucking our health is efficient then your delusional. We don't need meat and dairy.
Meatcuck thinks this means something
You guys are very smart, NOT. See this: So it's okay to kill humans without intelligence for food?
So?
Sigh.... animals rape is that okay too?
Retard
>Everything what we do today was/is/will be morally wrong so who cares.
This is no argument

Look at what feral pigs do in the US alone to food crops, yearly.
Now, imagine that x1000 as millions of more herd and food animals are let loose to roam freely.
It would be a complete ecological and fiscal disaster.
You would cause mass starvations across the country if you had your way.
Hundreds of billions of dollars in food crops intended for people and commercial uses like corn for ethanol production would suffer.
You would actually increase the amount of methane and other environmental production by unchecked and unregulated breeding without harvesting, and contribute to more water pollution as animal bodies decay.
Good job.

He's a real...

He said name a trait humans have that animals lack that justifies eating them. I named one. Animals aren't intelligent enough to know they're being consumed as a resource.

Humankind is omnivorous; we have adapted to eat both meat and plant material. In fact, every nutritionist in the country that's not a smarmy vegan fucknugget will tell you that a balanced diet is key to mental and physical health. And a balanced diet includes MEATS.

Further, morals aren't something one should be debating, as morals are exceedingly subjective; what is moral to you is immoral to me, and vice versa. Worse yet, morals are exceedingly difficult to change in adults. Worse still, morals are never based on anything concrete, but instead based on feelings and upbringing...

I will not debate your morals, as you are wholly entitled to believe what you want to believe, and they clash with my own. However, I will give you my take on diet...

As stated above, humankind is designed through tens of thousands of years of evolution to be omnivorous. There are certain things available in meats that our bodies need. Sure, you can substitute them if you'd like, but the best sources, sometimes, are animal products. Calcium, Omega-3's, proteins, fish oil, etc.

Further, there are TONS of things we could not have without animal products, to include medical treatments. TONS of medical treatments in this world today have been either developed by animal testing, or utilize animal products. To feel this is morally wrong is to stand in front of those who survive or have been saved by these procedures, and tell them to their face, "you should've died instead." That, my friend, is far more morally wrong than animal testing or animal-based treatments, in my book. And NO, sometimes there ISN'T a way to develop a treatment without first testing on animals, or by deriving certain things from animals.

Now, I WILL agree that abusing animals is very wrong. I will agree that maliciously harming animals for no good reason (good reasons include honorable hunting and ethical slaughter for sustenance, testing if done ethically, training for service dogs, etc).

Jokes on vegan fags because plants are living things so get fucked

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