A lot of you aren't redpilled on the Meat and Dairy Question. We on average eat way to much meat and dairy. It's been increasing ever since. We lost connection with how it's produced, we just go to the supermarket and buy whatever is cheap or tasty. There are three big reasons to start eating less meat:
>1) HEALTH: There have been many studies done on mortality and (processed)meat and dairy, consumption and there is a positive association between lower mortality of cardiovascular diseases, cancer and diabetes by people who eat a lot of meat and dairy in comparison with those who eat less or none. Still not convinced that meat and dairy is bad for your health? Watch this documentary for further redpills: WHAT THE HEALTH youtu.be/hJAKWQ6dDpQ >2) ENVIRONMENT: The livestock sector may be the largest source of water pollution (due to animal wastes, fertilizers, pesticides), and it contributes to emergence of antibiotic resistance. It accounts for over 8% of global human water use. It is by far the biggest cause of land use, as it accounts for nearly 40% of the global land surface. It is a significant driver of biodiversity loss, as it causes deforestation, ocean dead zones, land degradation, pollution, and overfishing. Still not convinced that animal agriculture is one of the biggest environmental threat? Watch this documentary for further redpills: COWSPIRACY dailymotion.com/video/x2zuhks >3) ETHICS: Animals are sentient beings and of moral value they feel pain and suffering. Putting them into death camps, taking away there children and killing them is not respecting their moral value. Animals are not property or a commodity. They have a will to live. Still not convinced that eating meat isn't morally justifiable? Watch this documentary for further redpills: EARTHLINGS youtu.be/BrlBSuuy50Y
So bad for health and environment + unethical. Do you eat meat and dairy Sup Forums? If yes how much and will you try to eat less?
Let me explain before you retards start saying "b-but muh morals are subjective"
Argument for animal moral value: > - Humans are of moral value. > - There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourselves valueless. Therefore without establishing the absence of such trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by deeming animals valueless.
Argument for veganism from animal moral value: > - Animals are of moral value. > - There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to consider anything short of non-exploitation to be an adequate expression of respect for human moral value. Therefore without establishing the absence of such a trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by considering anything short of non-exploitation (veganism) to be an adequate expression of respect for animal moral value.
Caleb Martin
>“Nature is brutal. After all, lions kill their food and even house cats will torture a mouse before eating it.” (The old “I am a troglodyte, hear me rawr.” argument.) Yes, nature is brutal. Cats (and other animals, such as orcas) who “play” with their food do so as training and reflex-sharpening in their repertoire of hunting skills. However, as humans, we have risen above this and other animal behaviors. Furthermore, we don’t judge our behavior and morals against animals in other contexts, so why should we do it with regard to eating? After all, male geese gang-rape female geese too. Does that justify such behavior in humans? Should we roll on a rotting animal and eat excrement? Dogs do this, after all.
Cameron Ross
>“We evolved to eat meat.” (The old “Science allows me to be cruel to animals because it’s in my genes to do so.” argument.) It is natural to eat meat and to crave it. We have evolved as an omnivorous species to eat all sorts of things to maximize our survival. This is in line with many other generalist traits we evolved (such as our dentition) which helped us maximize reproduction within a dangerous and often changing environment. However, we never had any biological requirement to include meat as part of our diet, and certainly less so in contemporary times with modern knowledge about nutrition. See Note 1 for a large list of comparisons between biological features involved in eating.
Aaron Diaz
>“Our teeth (or other feature) prove we are carnivores.”(The old “Look at my pointy fangs! grrr… grrr… rawr!” argument.) Our teeth prove that we are opportunistic omnivores. Nothing more. In fact, there are many features of our bodies that show we evolved to eat far less meat than most other omnivores. This is in line with our nearest neighbor, the chimpanzee, which will only eat meat occasionally, despite large sharp canines. See Note #1 for a large list of comparisons between biological features. Also see “We evolved to eat meat”.
Isaiah Walker
>“Being a vegan is unhealthy”(The old “My cheeseburger, peperoni pizza, and fried chicken diet is so good for me.” argument.) Simply eating vegan is not going to ensure you are eating healthy food because there is so much junk food available nowadays that have no animal products in it (in other words, thriving on french fries and onion rings is not going to cut it). However, if you eat a healthy vegan diet, you are undoubtedly going to be healthier than a person eating a “regular” diet. Many studies show that vegans have lower rates of diseases such as high blood cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, cancers, and heart disease. Furthermore, by not eating hormones and antibiotics that have been pumped into the animals, vegans are much less prone to all the problems that those compounds bring forth.A healthy vegan diet is based around whole grains, fresh vegetables and fruits, and legumes. This diet is low in fat, has no cholesterol, and provides plenty of protein, calcium, fiber, and other nutrients for optimal nutrition. Healthy vegan diets are great for everyone. The American Dietetic Association agrees. ADA’s position, published in the July 2009 issue of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association, represents the Association’s official stance on vegetarian diets:
“It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life-cycle including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence and for athletes.”
Matthew King
>“Where do you get your protein?”(The old “I’ve been indoctrinated from birth to think meat is required for me to survive.” argument.) Whole grains, vegetables, and beans provide more than enough protein to stay healthy. Most people actually eat too much protein, and when the body has more than it needs, it excretes the rest in our urine. Animal protein also leads to increased risk for several illnesses (see health argument).
Protein is made up of 20 amino acids, and meat, eggs, and dairy have all 20 of them. There are also complete proteins in plants, such as grains and beans, but some of them have smaller amounts of one or two of the 20. Because of this, they aren’t popularly recognized as great sources of protein, even though they have tons of vegan protein. Of the 20 amino acids, humans create 11 in their bodies and get the other 9 from foods. Someone with a protein deficiency is not getting enough of one or all of those extra 9 amino acids. An old misconception about being a vegan was that in order to get enough protein, you had to combine the foods that were missing amino acids with a food that had that exact amino acid, the old “red beans and rice is a required meal” argument. That is a fallacy. As long as you eat a wide variety of grains, beans, nuts, and seeds, you will absolutely get enough vegan protein.
William Sanders
Nutritionists also once believed that plant proteins were of a poorer quality than animal proteins. Even now, plant proteins are sometimes called ‘second class’ proteins while animal proteins are elevated to the ‘first class’ department. This belief centered on early research on the poor laboratory rat which showed that giving extra amino acids of weanling rats reared on a plant-protein diet improved their growth. The same was assumed to be true for humans. However, the parameters of the experiments were set in such a way that differences in the quality of plant and animal proteins were exaggerated. Also, rats and humans have different nutritional requirements, since weanling rats grow at a much faster rate, relatively, than human infants and therefore need more protein. A comparison of rat and human milk makes the difference quite clear: protein comprises only 7% of the calorie content of human milk, while rat milk contains 20% protein. If weanling rats were fed only human milk, they would not thrive. These tests over-estimated the value of some animal proteins while under-estimating the value of some vegetable proteins and The World Health Organization has now abandoned this inadequate method of assessing the value of proteins to the human body.
The USDA’s Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein for a non-athlete or non-pregnant/breastfeeding adult is only 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight. If you want to figure out how many grams you should be eating daily, here is the calculation:
Body weight (in pounds) X 0.36 = recommended protein intake. Note that this is considered by many to be far more than is actually necessary to maintain health.
Brayden Young
>“Where do you get your calcium?”(The old “I’ve been indoctrinated from birth to think milk is required for me to survive.” argument.) Although calcium is present in animal milk, it isn’t the only source of the mineral, nor is it the best source. The dairy industry just wants us to think it’s the best calcium. As long as you eat a varied diet, getting enough vegan calcium is easy. Dark leafy green vegetables like kale, mustard and collard greens, broccoli, bok choy and chinese cabbage, and okra contain tons of calcium. Even grains, beans, blackstrap molasses, and other fruits and vegetables supply vegan calcium to our bodies. In less than a cup of collard greens, there is as much calcium as in a cup of cow’s milk. A good number of vegan foods are fortified with calcium, especially soy milks and tofus. There is as much calcium in four ounces of tofu as in a cup of cow’s milk. Even orange juice companies are now adding calcium to their products.Calcium is necessary for humans as it helps keep the firmness in our bones, helps our blood clot, and energizes our muscle function. Adults should take in about 1000 mg of calcium per day, and that slightly increases past the age of 50. Some studies show that eating animal protein, especially casein in milk, will actually increase calcium losses in the bones. This suggests that although cow’s milk has a good amount of calcium, your body is actually absorbing less of it than it does with vegan calcium sources.
Jaxon Long
>“Where do you get your Iron / B-12 / D?”(The old “I’m grasping at any nutritional excuse I can think of to avoid giving up meat.” argument.) Vegans have a high dietary iron intake and although iron from plant sources is less well absorbed than that from meat, naturally high levels of vitamin C in the vegan diet enhances iron absorption. Studies show that the iron status of vegans is usually normal, and iron deficiency is no more common than in the general population.Vitamin B-12 encompasses a group of related substances known as cobalamins. It is commonly but inaccurately believed that animal foods are the only source. In fact, active B-12 is thought to be unique among vitamins in being made only by bacteria. The B-12 found in meat, eggs and dairy milk derives from the activity of bacteria living within the animals. Despite the notoriety of this vitamin, dietary B-12 deficiency in adult vegans is rare: some 15 cases have been recorded in the medical press worldwide since the 1980s. Not all cases will be published but it is significant that B-12 deficiency is so uncommon that single case reports are still thought worthy of publication in medical journals.
Adult vegans obtain adequate vitamin D if they regularly spend time outdoors in spring, summer and autumn. A dietary intake of the vitamin can be ensured by taking fortified products, such as soy milk.
John Howard
>“Factory farming doesn’t hurt animals. Laws ensure they are humane.”(The old “I’m sticking my fingers in my ears and yelling LA LA LA really loudly whenever you talk about this.” argument.) Either you are incredibly ill-informed or you are in deep denial of the facts. We have all been deceived about how farm animals are treated. Go to any library or bookstore and search the children’s section for books about farms. You will see idyllic settings with tons of grass and pasture, families of chickens pecking about for seeds and worms, ducks and geese swimming with their babies, cows roaming all around, and pigs rolling about in mud baths.
Unfortunately, that’s just not the way it is. I’m not going to go into it here. There are many sources to find out the graphic truth about factory farms. You don’t have to look very far on the web to see the gory details. Try a YouTube search or any number of animal rights or vegan sites. If only you would. But I doubt you will, if you are in denial. Why avoid the flat-out truth about how our meat is made, if it’s not true? Take a look. No watering-down of the facts, just the truth. I can understand why you don’t wish to see or hear it. It’s not pleasant at all. But how can you be a denier if you don’t know exactly what it is that you’re denying? Bottom line, as Paul McCartney said, “If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.”
Jack James
It’s time to take a (relatively mild) look through the window (in increasing levels of graphic imagery):
I think you can find many more, if you care to look. If not, you have to ask yourself “why not?” If it’s too much to bear to see, then perhaps eating meat/eggs/milk is too much for the animals to bear. I’m just sayin’…
Asher Hernandez
>Let me explain before you retards start saying "b-but muh morals are subjective"
Argument for animal moral value: > - Humans are of moral value. > - There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to deem ourselves valueless. Therefore without establishing the absence of such trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by deeming animals valueless.
Argument for veganism from animal moral value: > - Animals are of moral value. > - There is no trait absent in animals which if absent in humans would cause us to consider anything short of non-exploitation to be an adequate expression of respect for human moral value. Therefore without establishing the absence of such a trait in animals, we contradict ourselves by considering anything short of non-exploitation (veganism) to be an adequate expression of respect for animal moral value. >> Anonymous 01/13/18(Sat)22:15:02 No.756787887▶ File: tumblr_negt49xnjq1tzue9go(...).jpg (415 KB, 1280x1280) 415 KB >“Nature is brutal. After all, lions kill their food and even house cats will torture a mouse before eating it.” (The old “I am a troglodyte, hear me rawr.” argument.) Yes, nature is brutal. Cats (and other animals, such as orcas) who “play” with their food do so as training and reflex-sharpening in their repertoire of hunting skills. However, as humans, we have risen above this and other animal behaviors. Furthermore, we don’t judge our behavior and morals against animals in other contexts, so why should we do it with regard to eating? After all, male geese gang-rape female geese too. Does that justify such behavior in humans? Should we roll on a rotting animal and eat excrement? Dogs do this, after all. >> Anonymous 01/13/18(Sat)22:16:05 No.756787962▶ File: 05_humans_are_frugivores_750.jpg (194 KB, 756x576) 194 KB Let me explain before you retards start saying "b-but muh morals are subjective"
Argument for animal moral value: > - Humans are of moral value.
Samuel Ortiz
>“I know farmer Brown and he never mistreats his animals.”(The old “Old McDonald had a farm, EIEIO” argument.) So, let me get this straight, his cows have led a long happy life (20 years is the natural lifespan), foraging on the food they evolved for (forest leaves and bushes, not grass and grains), frolicking with other members of the herd (both male and female), mating and giving birth several times and bonding and raising their offspring through weaning. Then Farmer Brown captures one of these nearly-wild animals in a way that doesn’t scare it at all, calmly walks it alone (no scary truck rides) to a location where no other cow will hear, smell, or see the killing and butchering (it cannot be the same place each time, as the smell of blood doesn’t soon go away) and cleanly and perfectly kills it with the first shot and butchers it without any other members of the heard knowing. He then sells this tough and stringy 20 year old meat to you. Why do I find this hard to believe? Anything less than it’s natural life in it’s natural environment would be the human mistreatment of an animal for your pleasure. And unacceptable.
Sorry, “I pat it on the head and scratch it behind the ears before I kill it” just isn’t a good enough excuse to eat meat.
Charles Davis
>“I only eat ‘free-range’ chickens and eggs.”(The old “I believe every cheerful little lie the industry feeds me.” argument.) Sorry Charlie. Poultry meat may be labeled “free-range” if the birds were provided an opportunity to access the outdoors. No other requirements—such as the stocking density, the amount of time spent outdoors, or the quality and size of the outdoor area—are specified by the USDA. As a result, free-range conditions may amount to 20,000 birds crowded inside a shed with a single exit leading to a muddy strip, saturated with droppings.
The free-range label applies only to birds raised for meat, not eggs. There is a cage-free label for eggs; but it is not regulated by the USDA, nor does it guarantee that the hens were provided access to the outdoors. Neither label requires third-party certification. Even for USDA Organic, the most extensively regulated label, minimum levels of outdoor access have not been set and specific rules do not apply to stocking density or flock size. I wonder if a profit-driven industry will decide of it’s own accord to do the right thing at the expense of profit?
Levi Sanders
>“Ok, meat is bad, so I’ll just eat eggs and milk and be a happy vegetarian instead of a vegan!”(The old “A half-hearted, half-assed attempt is good enough.” argument.)
Honestly, all snarkiness aside, I’m thrilled that you’re willing to take a big step and every step (even small ones) do make a difference in the lives of animals. BUT in case you haven’t learned, this really isn’t far enough yet and hopefully, you’ll take that last step. Here’s why you should:
Ryan Perry
Fuck jews xD
Benjamin Hernandez
Your shitty faggotry and copypasta falls on deaf ears.
Aaron Peterson
> Dairy Cows produce milk in the same way that humans do – when they have a baby. In nature, the calf would drink his mother’s milk and then she would no longer have a supply of milk. On factory farms, dairy cows are artificially inseminated so that they constantly have milk. They also have their calf taken away from them immediately after birth, which are made into either tightly confined veal cows (males to be slaughtered in a month or so) or future dairy cows (females). Additionally, dairy cows are given growth hormones so that they produce much more milk than they would have in nature. Those hormones cause their udders to be engorged with milk, which leads to infection and intense pain for the cow. When her udders are attached to the milking machines, the udders grow external infections, fill with cuts and puss, and hurt her. Once they are no longer able to produce a large amount of milk, they are slaughtered. Needless to say, milking a cow does hurt the cow.
Owen Harris
Suck less dick
Gabriel Turner
I like the way it tastes. Thats all I need. /thread
Dylan Martin
But what if I don´t care about animals? I even enjoy hunting them, and of course love meat. So why should I become a vegan then OP?
Justin Morris
> Eggs It’s natural for chickens to lay eggs, so why is it bad to eat eggs? The egg laying hens go through some of the worst abuse of any factory-farmed animal. These hens are roughly packed into cages with numerous other hens (only 6 inches of space each), and those cages are stacked several layers high. As the hens on the top defecate, the crap falls into the cages below. The hens are unable to stretch their wings or legs, and often develop severe bone disorders. When the chickens weaken or die, they are often left in the cages where the other hens trample them. Of the eggs allowed to hatch, the females become laying hens. The males are useless, so they thrown into a trash heap where they suffocate or are crushed, all to be ground up dead or alive. These are not abnormal exceptions; this is the normal, legal, and accepted practice of egg production.
Dominic Walker
>“What would happen to all those animals if people were to stop eating them?”(The old“Vegans are dense enough to think people will stop eating all animals all on one day.”argument.) Really? Do you think anybody on Earth believes for a second that humans will suddenly wake up one morning and decide not to eat meat? What a silly thought! What will happen is that as people stop buying meat, the food industry will find it less and less profitable to produce as much meat and will breed fewer and fewer animals. The ultimate goal is zero. Simple supply and demand economics but it will never happen overnight.
Zachary Adams
This.
Anthony Ward
Morals are a tool of oppression, go suck a cows dick
Gabriel Butler
I want to get into hunting any tips?
Isaac Sanders
>“If we didn’t grow crops for animals, we would have to grow them for people, so there would be more intensive agriculture, not less.”(The old “I’d eat more corn than a cow if I couldn’t eat a cow.” argument.) Sorry, this argument is flat-out silly on the face of it. Depending on the crop and the animal, one can get up to 20 times the number of calories per acre growing human foodstuffs than grain for animals. According to the Council for Agricultural Science and Technology (CAST) 1999 Animal Agriculture and Global Food Supply Report, an average of 8 pounds of grain is used to produce a pound of beef in developed countries. It takes about 2 pounds of grain to produce one pound of chicken meat, about 4 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of pork. This does not take into account the additional fuels and other resources required to keep, transport, and slaughter the animals.
Hudson Fisher
The person giving the quote in your pic is a racist loon who was banned in the U.K.
>"farming is literally just like the halocaust guies" You're a fucking degenerate who should be shot, no better yet, you should be pushed into a group of pigs and see how friendly the animals you defend are.
Robert Howard
>“Factory farming really doesn’t impact the environment”(The old “I don’t like science and numbers confuse me, so I’ll call them wrong.” argument.) It is impossible for any rational person to intelligently deny the negative ecological fallout of industrial farming. The arguments are sound and incontrovertible: three quarters of the US’s nitrous oxide (296 times more polluting than carbon dioxide) comes from meat agriculture; pigs and cattle excrete almost three times as much waste nitrogen than humans globally (in the US it is 130 times more); toxic chemical and animal runoff from factory farms has poisoned 173,000 miles of rivers and streams; land the size of seven football fields (often precious forested areas) is razed every minute to create room for farmed animals; 40 percent of all grain produced worldwide goes to feed livestock, not humans. The list of insults to the environment goes on and on and on.
And the causal links are straightforward: nitrous oxide, along with methane and carbon dioxide, is a greenhouse gas which contributes to climate change; the waste products from irresponsible farming practices pollute water sources and damage ecosystems; rainforests act as carbon sinks – natural and vital temperature regulators to keep the planet healthy – we need them. Global climate change deniers are like malzoans who try to use this argument: In denial.
Landon Peterson
>cows dont have dicks Assuming the gender of cows is morally wrong
Cameron Jones
>“You’ll just kill more wild animals when you harvest plants for humans to eat.”(The old “I’ll continue to support the torture of cows, pigs, and chickens because your tofu farm kills field mice.” argument.) Yes, wild animals die in the machine harvesting of all crops. This is unfortunate, but it also happens with the grains grown for livestock, which constitutes 40 percent of all grain produced worldwide. Given that there would actually be far less crops grown to supply human vegan diets, the numbers of these kinds of wildlife deaths would fall dramatically. For an incredibly in-depth analysis on this issue, please reference: animalvisuals.org/data/1mc/
Jacob Walker
>“Animal sources (meat) are the only way for people to eat in the extreme arctic and desert climates, where no plants grow.”(The old “I’ll continue to eat meat I bought at Walmart because I think Nanook still lives in an igloo 100 years after that lifestyle was actually abandoned.” argument.) Yes, if you are one of the VERY FEW number of individuals who must scrape out an existence in such an extreme environment, I suppose you may have a point and I suppose the only thing I could say is “bon appetite” (assuming you killed your meal in a humane way). Since you are not one of those rare individuals, I’ll suggest you come back to the reality of where your food is derived and what your options to reduce suffering really are.
Juan Phillips
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John Morales
If you live in the EU and prefer firearms, like me, then get ready to spend quite some time and cash. I had to go trough two exams just for my shotgun license. If you are from the other side of the pond, you won´t go trough that shit. Besides from that, just look for a group of folks already into it. Best place to start and find people is the firing range usually.
Jack Gutierrez
>“I like meat.”(The old “Bacon is tasty and I want to rub it in your face.” argument.) So do I. So do most people. It’s natural to crave meat. What vegans don’t like is the needless suffering animals endure in order for me to eat that meat. See the “We evolved to eat meat” argument.
Alexander Wright
>“I don’t like veggies.”(The old “I don’t like veggies.” argument.) This one is actually understandable. It does take a bit of willful determination (for many people) to make the transition to vegan. After a lifetime of being given the choice between broccoli and cheeseburgers, guess which one we crave when it’s up to us to decide? We evolved to crave fat, sugar, and salt, as those items are generally harder to come by in nature and are calorie-dense for our optimum survival when we do acquire them. It’s little wonder that society has been happy to meet our natural cravings with an endless supply and selection any time we get the urge to eat. This is not about meeting the needs of your tastebuds, however. This is about the humanity we show other creatures.
Luke Flores
Cool thanks for the advice. I live in Canada so regulations aren't too bad over here. What type of game do you hunt?
Jaxon Foster
>“You kill plants to survive, how is that any different?”(The old “Screaming carrots!” argument.) Fact: Plants do not have nervous systems or anything structural that perceives pain. The fanciful research of 19th century pseudoscience and any amount of wishful thinking will not change that fact. Additionally, more plants are cut down to feed farm animals than to feed humans, so by being a vegan, you are still killing fewer plants than as a malzoan.
Lucas Brown
>“You care more about animal suffering than that of humans!”(The old “People are only able to care about one thing at a time.” argument.) Human suffering and animal suffering are actually related more than one would assume. You cannot be concerned about one without concern about the other. Much worldwide human suffering is linked to humans not having access to vital resources like food, water, and shelter. The animal industry leeches these resources from humans, especially food and water. By spending so much money and resources on feeding and watering animals for human consumption (mostly in Western countries), we are stealing it from people who need it most. Also, assuming humans are of more importance than animals is speciesism, a prejudice toward one animal over another. A speciesist believes that a human’s suffering is more significant than another species’ suffering, and disregards the fact that “pain is pain.”
Isaac Ross
>Showing humanity to creatures that don't have any enough of this faggotry. i'm not gonna spend the rest of my life eating fucking leaves
Camden Cox
>“Why should I care about eating animals? That’s what they’re there for. Why should they have rights?”(The old “Animals aren’t people, so their suffering doesn’t matter to me.” argument.) Most people would feel bad upon seeing a domestic animal like a cat or dog suffer, and would never consider harming one themselves, but they don’t stop to think twice about eating an animal. Farm animals feel pain and emotional stress the same as humans, and certainly as much as domesticated pets do. Their suffering is no less intense just because they don’t speak English or walk on their hind legs or live in our house with us. Just because we enjoy the taste of some animals doesn’t mean that we should be freely allowed to eat them whenever we please. People who believe in “animal rights” believe that all animals have worth, regardless of what need they can serve for humans. It’s the belief that every being has the right to life without suffering or pain. Animals were not “put here” for any purpose. They share the planet with us and we have no right to cause them to suffer for our pleasure.
Dylan Wright
I'm gay
Justin Taylor
Tl;Dr Meat is sweet. Get fucked by a bunch of carnivores, vegetard.
Xavier Taylor
I don't a shit about animals. they probably gonna die anyways.
Noah Walker
>This thread Basically propaganda to eat more meat
Benjamin Evans
>“I hunt for all my meat and use every tooth, tendon, and fiber so nothing is wasted.”(The old “See what a noble friend of nature I am while I take down another victim with the latest technology?” argument.) Hunters ARE morally superior to the flesh-eaters who do not hunt. After all, the flesh-eating non-hunters rely on their meat being neatly packaged, with no hint of the cruelty involved. Malzoans who criticize hunters are hypocrites. With the exception of cage-hunted animals, the animals hunted at least know the joy of living truly free (at least for a while). This is not the case with slaughterhouse animals. Although certainly callous, the hunter witnesses the pain of the animals he kills, not so with the supermarket consumer, who carefully insulates himself from the agony of the animal’s struggle to simply live and enjoy life. All of this being said, even the so-called “noble” hunter falls far short of those who embrace compassion and eschew unnecessary cruelty and pain. And for every hunter who claims to use every portion of their kill, there are a thousand more who only eat some of the muscle and occasionally nail the head on their wall.
Jackson Cox
indeed kek. being a moralfag about something always puts me off of it.
Carter Turner
>“As a hunter, I fill the void of the natural predators, who have disappeared. We thin the herd, so that only the fittest survive, and there is no starvation.”(The old “I’m doing them a favor by punching a hole in their bodies and tracking their blood trail as they crawl off to die” argument.) First, if they are honestly concerned with the disappearance of the predators, perhaps they should work towards ceasing the hunting of these predators and returning a natural balance! Second, and more important, they do not truly supplant the natural predators. Natural predators look for the “easy kill”. They target the young, the weak, the distressed and the diseased. Those are easy kills. They do not target the strong, who easily escape them. These strong individuals survive and reproduce. Because only the strong survive to reproduce, the genes of these individuals are passed on to their descendants, strengthening the gene pool. But hunters do not look for the “easy kill”. They look for the “trophy kill”. They only want the buck with the largest antler spread. This philosophy weakens the gene pool, because the healthiest individuals are “culled”. The weaker individuals remain to procreate. Finally, starvation is natures way of balancing the herd with the resources available. It is sad (especially if the cause was instigated by humans), but it’s a short-term condition and ends as soon as the balance is reached. Having shown that the argument of the “noble”, “nature-loving” hunter to be weak and false, the question is begged: “So what is the real reason you hunt?”
James James
>“It’s impossible to completely avoid every molecule of animals product, so why bother trying?”(The old “Whenever the bathwater is dirty, I throw the baby out with it.” argument.) It IS impossible to be an absolutely “pure” vegan. That is setting oneself up for failure (would you no longer drive a car for fear of hitting insects?) But being a “pure” vegan is not really the goal for most of us. The goal is to reduce suffering for as many animals as possible. A vegan diet, followed as much as possible, is simply one (important) tool towards that end. If a person wishes to start helping to reduce suffering by having a “Meatless Monday” or by just cutting out pork or beef entirely, that is a wonderful first step! Then, perhaps after a while, another meatless day per week or abstaining from an additional species. This slow method works for many people and it may work for you. I found it easiest to go vegan all at once, but that was after having a good experience with being an egg/dairy eating vegetarian first. I knew I could go vegan without any more difficulty.
Gabriel Morales
>“The percentage of people who are vegan is too low to make a significant difference.”(The old,“Why bother trying, it’s only a drop in the bucket, so who cares”argument. I don’t even know where to begin with this one. You must not assist in any charitable efforts at all, right? I mean, you’re just one person – what can you do to help? I assume you don’t vote in presidential elections either, because after all, your vote is just a drop in the bucket. Why even take another breath? In fact, why even feed your children? There are so many more on this planet, why would your kids need to live any longer? What could they possibly contribute?
Dominic Gutierrez
1) look i try to eat less meat, but good meat when i do, but it just tastes so good so i wont ever stop eating it, also it's my life to waste if i want. 2) yea sure environments and stuff but there are other things being more of a problem so shut up yea. 3) animals have way better lives in captivity than in the wild, watch "puella magi madoka magica" episode 6 or 7 i think it's explained very well there. But yea it's rough what humans do to animals when slaughtering them, but i dont have to do it so it's k, if i had to i would anyways, just prefere not to.
Jacob Phillips
I really don't care about what you think. also stop putting "the old" in front of your counter arguments its makes you look like even more a faggot then you already are.
Ryder Allen
you guys sure typ a lot
Robert Wood
we have mixed teeth we omnivores we need animals
Joseph Diaz
>“Vegans have a holier-than-thou attitude. It’s a cult-like religion. You cram morality down our throats.”(The old “I don’t like the messenger, so I’ll ignore the message.” argument.) Yes, vegans are passionate about the choice we made. We feel it is truly a moral and ethical imperative that animals come to no harm through willful or negligent actions on the part of humans. Animals must never suffer for our vanity or pleasure. Period. When another person challenges something that we believe to be a moral imperative, we stand up and say that it’s wrong. Remember, it’s the behavior we detest, not the person. We are frustrated when we see people who choose to look the other way when they know the truth. When we see how they pamper their pet dog and would never allow any harm to come to it, yet wolf down a ham that was cut from an animal that is smarter and more sensitive than any dog. Some of us get angry about this hypocrisy and choose to raise the awareness in malzoans.
Contrary to what you might think, though, most vegans are not loud about their food, and on occasion may simply try to educate malzoans about the choices they make. This can be touching a sensitive nerve in the malzoan, most likely due to the fact that the malzoan wishes to remain ignorant about the awful truth of their meat. As long as they can buy chunks of muscle pre-wrapped far away, and don’t have to face the truth or know how much pain was actually involved, they can continue to satisfy their addicted tastebuds. Vegans see this as selfish and immoral behavior. How can we NOT say anything? It’s our absolute obligation to speak out on behalf of the animals. To us, this is the same as if we saw a dog being abused by children on the sidewalk. We will not simply walk by as if it’s no concern of ours and we expect that other civilized people would intervene against such obvious cruelty as well.
Bentley Butler
I like eating meat, so I won't stop. But thanks for posting!
James Wright
>“I only catch-and-release when I fish. Besides, fish don’t feel pain.”(The old,“They must not feel pain becauseI can’t hear them screamingwhen I shove a steel shaft through the flesh of their face to drag the full weight of their body, against their will, into an environment where they can’t breath”argument.)
The science is solid that fish do indeed feel pain. And they remember it. Anglers often say because fish are cold-blooded, they cannot feel pain, ignoring the fact that arrangements of temperature control in animals have nothing to do with pain perception. They even try the ludicrous claim that other animals do not feel pain as we do because they do not have our larger brain. Science is steadily moving to understand the mind of the fish, dispensing with these ridiculous notions.
Just because fish die in silence, does not mean that they do not suffer. Fish may take 20 minutes to die on a warm day, or even longer on a cold one. If it is not acceptable to slaughter a cow by slowly drowning it, why should a fish suffer a similar fate? While “humane slaughter” for other animals killed for their flesh is a marketing myth, there is not even this pretense when fish are killed. They instead struggle and gasp while they slowly suffocate to death.”Catch and release” anglers kill the fish inadvertently at a later time. Many fish will suffer and die, sometimes several hours later, once the culprit has left the scene. Studies have found that a third, half, or even more fish can die at a site. Fish caught at tournaments are at the greatest risk of dying, as they are often repeatedly caught in the same day. Damage by hooks, exhaustion, and sometimes excessive pressure when the fish is brought to the surface, all contribute to loss of life. However, the mere trauma of capture, even for short periods, can herald death.
To learn more and to research the science:fishpain.com
Ethan Taylor
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Alexander Bell
I'm fine with being a hypocrite some animals just weren't lucky.
Isaac Price
You're on the wrong website roodypoo. saged, lurk more newfag.
Jonathan Powell
>FINAL NOTE TO MALZOANS: All vegans want is to reduce suffering. Period. If you know of any other way to effectively reduce the suffering of animals that is MORE effective than boycotting the product and speaking out against exploitation, by all means lets hear it. Otherwise, your arguments are nothing more than excuses for why you want to continue eating meat. All of which we’ve heard many times before – and they’re always just excuses. Unless you show ANY willingness to be open to the idea of veganism, you’re just wasting your time and ours. Turn your eyes away from the pain and suffering and move on.
Philosophically, I believe it is our moral imperative to reduce suffering whenever and wherever reasonably possible. I recognize it’s not possible to totally eliminate suffering, but the important thing to me is that the effort is made. This is an important tenet of my personal philosophy (look up “ahimsa” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa). Each person must decide for themselves how much effort they wish to expend towards this goal. I feel strongly that abstinence from animal exploitation (veganism) is the most reasonable, simple, safe, and effective act each person can undertake. I really don’t need to defend it beyond this.
Jose Howard
I don't think you understand. I don't give a shit. It tastes good and I like it.
Matthew Foster
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Angel Reyes
Holy fucking shit OP... your wall of copy-pasta would choke the Italian army. Take your self righteous indignance out on the street and see what it gets you. Fucking plant killer.
Caleb Price
holy shit do these people have jobs? I'm on my break devouring a brisket sandwich but this thread is entertaining.
Grayson Cooper
I only eat meat. I don't eat vegetables. I am doing fine.
Carson Allen
>The livestock sector may be the largest source of water pollution lmao
Ethan Ortiz
source on this image? i work in the energy efficiency sector and this arouses my curiosity
Cooper Wright
daily reminder that 95% of livestock only exist because there is a demand for them, and no natural enviroment could sustain them without humans feeding them. so anyone advocating veganism supports the mass virtual genocide of millions and billions of livestock
Christopher Reyes
>nitrous oxide is a limited resource and we are running out of it >woah there dont make anymore of this valuable and limited resource lmao
Landon Perez
Nothing gets me more aroused than biting into a rare steak and having the blood drip down my chin.
Christian Smith
Some farms actually can power themselves off of methane, cool stuff
Joshua Butler
I've already debunked this EXACT POINT the last time you spammed.
Stop ignoring unconscious nociception you mouth-breathing, science-denying retard.
Jaxon Gray
We've for so long, that you evolved to it, you literally lack certain brain functions without them.
Carter Hall
meant
Easton Sanders
Well, one good thermal loop can solve that.
Justin White
Bottom line, the world is just shit hunting shit all the way up the food chain. We as humans are just doing it as efficiently as possible because we're smarter. It doesn't mean theres anything wrong with it. Its food.
compared to a well planed plant based diet the consumption of any amount of meat is self harm
Landon Allen
Okay, I will read it but look at the link I posted.
Jaxon Kelly
This is officially trolling, no one could honestly be this big of a bitch. Eating that is the definition of self harm
Brandon Martinez
Yum
David Gutierrez
Lol, enjoying your bloody bowel movements huh? I'm not even a vegetarian, but you'd have to be a retard not to see that that is a delicious complete meal. Your palette must be shit.
Caleb Carter
The state of soyboys
Brayden Ortiz
Don’t care tl;dr. Gonna go eat a pork chop now shill
Parker Ramirez
Humans are omnivores. Deal with it. Diets are based on balance not culinary extremes.
