Is porn destroying the Western man?

As far as I'm aware, guys who spend hours masturbating multiple times a day to porn are generally introverted, low test and are socially retarded around women. How do we prevent this?

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I'm going to assume you're not talking about yourself otherwise /adv/.

WHy would you give a fuck, wouldn't that leave more women for you? How is their problem your problem? I mean if they have other issues that affect you mention them because them being socially awkward and just not being good at getting chicks I don't see as your problem but the opposite and maybe helps you out with less options for the women.

your causes and effects are mixed up

Did you see the thread about the English woman who went Turk, it's because more and more of our men are busy wanking and playing video games and not out there getting some action. It spells extinction my friend, and we would have no one but ourselves to blame.

How so? Its proven that frequent ejaculation lowers your testosterone, i.e. your drive to get laid.

>This

It's precisely BECAUSE I am a socially inept weirdtard that I fap to porn so much

If I was a hit with the ladies why the fuck would I spend so many hours on this Nepalese yeti cataloguing forum?

The internet, not just porn.

this place, is info-porn

same thing but for socialization and information .

Try going back to reading long books after posting here, it's hard

Don't be such a cuck, women like confident guys, not self loathing pricks who gets turned down by one women so spends his days wanking himself dry.

I don't feel that way. I love to jerk off. I'm bored of fucking my wife and perfectly fine with jerking off, I actually love to do it. Porn has spoiled my taste buds when it comes to images and stuff that gets me hard.

What the fuck is wrong with his nipple

>Nepalese yeti cataloguing forum

Yes it is.

Stop watching that fucking garbage. Even it is just a softcore nude shot. Go talk to a real women and wanking to anime.

It depends on the person

personally I know I'm literally diagnosed with autism and I was socially retarded before I ever looked at porn or used the internet.

I was always genetic trash socially, but did well in school and I'm basically born to be a celibate

that said, getting laid is NOT the reason to quit porn, if you have that mindset you're still worshipping women. Quit it for yourself.

No, masturbating is completely normal behavior . But shutting yourselves inside and refusing to do anything for society at large, while only using you right hand to pleasure yourself is cancer.

That's fine for you mate, you've already snagged a bird, but all of those countless men out there are turning impotent through porn addiction. I'm not one of these people but I am seeing the effects is has on our society.

I read while I take a shit. About halfway through the Prince right now. Books on the phone are great. No matter where I am, I can read something.

>Is porn destroying Western men
No. Men who watch porn are destroying themselves. Not every man watches it.

YES

think about what your brain thinks you are doing?

it thinks youre those chimps that masturbate to the alpha fucking the girl chimps

you are literally selecting to reduce your masculinity and testosterone

I said porn is bad not masturbation

It destroyed me

Teach women to not be worse than 2D.

now apply the same logic to Sup Forums.

it's the same, but for socialization. You prefer to watch other people talk, it's cuckversation

Exactly, it's a shame many of these anime loving freaks on here are in denial about their addiction.

I think the main thing is that they need confidence then. For the most part like this dude pointed out, most guys end up lonely jerkoffs because they CAN'T get a women.

That's even more complicated I think. I think it's a lot of things that can possibly lead to men not having confidence with women. Maybe because they lack fathers, maybe because they lack sisters and the friends that he inevitably would be able to practice associating with as a head start. Maybe it's the women he has met in the past that have traumatized them in some way by being over critical and hard on him without giving much opportunity. I think it's different for a lof of people. Going to need people with the problem to speak up.

Why prevent it? Let the cucks have their porn, more women for those who aren't autistic.

This is not THE only reason why the birthrates are low. Have you ever considered, conversely, that women are trash?

I myself have had people bother me, "Why didn't you ask her out", etc a few times. Men are told that they are pieces of shit from early childhood, you can't just abuse them like that and expect them to "MAN UP" when women start to feel lonely. That's not how it works. Guys also fear being harshly rejected in front of others, and that fear is perfectly acceptable since we are social animals and not the scumbag drones western society says we are.

I am not going to ask out women. They are going to have to ask me out.

I jack off way too much but I'm funny, handsome, outgoing and talk to girls very easily.

I am lonely though. I jack off because I'm lonely. I'm not lonely because I jack off.

That's fine until Jamal and Mehmet catch on and start breeding us out.

Not to mention that women cry rape left and right which makes men insanely over cautious around women unless they are chad thundercock.

No but its destroying my palms. Holy blisters eh?

social breakdown results. you need other good men in society, you autist

>I am not going to ask out women. They are going to have to ask me out
Completely wrong attitude and if you continue thinking this way, you will die a virgin.

As a half-Jewish autistic, I deserve to die a virgin. I've reduced porn for my own concentration and sanity but it's not going to make me worthy as a father.

>start breeding us out
They've been out breeding us for decades now. At this point, the best we can do is take a page from the jew playbook: focus on having one or two genius kids as opposed to having 20 shitbags.

Hit the gym, stop wanking and start going to bars, clubs etc, trust me, you'll find someone decent if you aren't an utter retard.

>>bars and clubs

horrible idea, you'll only find used women there.

Hobby groups are probably the best option.

Really though, Muslims are winning because they still have young arranged marriage. The very idea of the "Dating game" is degenerate and cut white birthrates over a century

>hours masturbating multiple times a day

Even when I was in my puberty teen stage I jerk off that much. Maybe twice a day at most but combined wouldn't be longer than 20 minutes, with 19 of them actually just looking for some straight edge random celebrity nip slip video.

How can someone sit and watch porn for hours?

Holy fuck and here I was thinking my blisters were a divine message cuz they were ordered in some weird fashion. Fucking dammit back to the drawing board. I got 9 blisters total from fapping, how bout chu?

>Hobby groups
Such as? I can only imagine fat mouth breathing lesbos at Games Workshop.

Please don't. This is not a good place to pick up a woman and least helpful way in finding a long term partner.

Let me say this real quick, I'm assuming OP is talking specifically long term meaningful relationships and not three week long fuck friend sessions before you part directions.

Gym will only get girls to look at you and even then they will be shallow women, the same type of women that go to the gym thinking they deserve a good looking man. I really suggest you guys who want a opportunity to hook a girl to learn how to make a girl laugh. Comedy and humor is number one if you ask me to get a girl to like you, and want to be with you forever. Never stop making her laugh. Learn to be understanding, accepting of her past, trusting and shit like that. If you have those qualities you can still be a immature piece of shit and have her like you.

You just proved my point with those replies.

I'm not going to change my life just so women can not be lonely. Nope. I already do work out.

Tell me, OP, why do you not blame women at all for this?

And why, if women are "equal" to us, are men still expected to be chivalrous. I'm not a virgin either. But why can't they ask us out then? Why do they whine 24/7 "HURRRR WHERE ARE THE REAL MEN HURRRRRR" when they are absolutely favored by society and don't see how males have been affected by all of this?

how is this even possible? jesus how long are you doing it?

I've gotten blisters on my fingers but from keyboard use, not fapping

And anyway, if you're not that good looking you can't be too picky. Even if she's been with a few other men doesn't mean you can't settle down and have kids with her.

>Games Workshop
Any woman who can afford a full set of Warhammer 40k figurines with the paints and everything very likely has a bank account full of cash. Put a ring on that finger. Then have a divorce lawyer help you rob her blind when you take that ring back.

Unless she's running on credit debt, in which case, get the hell out of there.

porn users have same brain degeneration in pre-fontal cortex and burned out limbic system. this makes them both less capable at higher reason and also more fearful/emotionally damaged. they no longer form human bonds or posses motivation.

the brain research is out there. someone ought to make a better infographic showing all the changes porn use has, i might but i lack photoshop skill. if people knew porn was causing damage in their brains it'd probably scare them into stopping.

porn is a vastly different form of stimulus. image boards probably do weaken certain brain capabilities/social intelligence but it can be used to get information at least.

>you make her laugh, Chad makes her cum

I was homeschooled until 7th grade, which would have been fine. I started off perfectly normal and blended well. 3 weeks in, we went outside during a class to the park next to the school.

>park has basketball court
>coed pick up game starts
>"guarding" a girl in my class
>not even guarding tough, literally guarding like you would a girl, not trying at all
>she spaz dribbles and flails into me
>arm grazes her "tit"
>makes big scene
>"Hey! Watch where you're touching me, pervert!"
>other people not even playing basketball take notice
>other people: what happened?
>"He tried to grab my boobs"
>Tells teacher
>teacher takes it serious
>get in trouble at school and at home
>story spreads
>girls think I'm a weird creep now

Never recovered.

She went on to become a full blown, disgusting looking bulldyke before high school even ended.

Literally my only standard is virginity. I could care less about looks. I'd prefer an ugly autistic virgin girl and recognize I deserve that, but I can't see why that means I have to settle with someone used.

they turn to porn cause women are picky.

Listen m8, lots of women are cunts and lots aren't, you're just gonna have to get over this fact if you want to get anywhere with them.

A woman who's a virgin past age 22 probably has a buttload of mental problems if she's not a disgusting hambeast.

May as well convert to Islam.

I think you and OP have differing interpretations of "equal" when it comes to males and female expectations and rights.

Females are equal now in the sense that guys shouldn't be beating the fucking shit out of them like back in the day with no repercussions, women should have an opportunity to divorce as if a man wanted out. They're equal in the big things now. With the small trivial shit men still have some expectations that women don't just like women have some expectations men don't.

Men should be the ones to pursue a woman since it's still a man's role to be show a woman he really wants her and a woman wants to be loved as opposed to men who don't really expect all that "loving" given towards them. Women on the other hand are still expected to be ready to do a bit more physical raising of the children.

How would I ever know this? I'm literally autistic and had trouble having emotional bonds since I was born, before I ever looked at porn in my life.

I understand the motivation thing, which is why I've been trying to quit porn, and I realize that most normal people would get ruined by it. but me. But it won't make me be able to feel empathy which I was NEVER capable of doing. I never got this even when I was 6 years old and didn't know what sex was.

I was always damaged and simply shouldn't reproduce.

>Literally my only standard is virginity

That's every man's standard until he realizes he must give it up in order to get with a chick.

Wait, some people spend hours on porn per day?

I spend maximum 20 minutes and that's not everyday.

>inb4 u cum quick

I literally only masturbate to empty my balls.

freedom, motherfucker.

I don't want to deal with vapid whores.
Time spent wanking is much shorter than time spent chasing after pussy, not mentioning the money and energy wasted too.

This opens up time to do more intellectually engaging things like studying your interests or spending time on your hobby.

The real cucks are the ones who drag their potential down by wasting their time and life on women, calling men who dont do the same "weak virgins". You are the true beta here, you who would betray your brothers for a bit of pussy.

I already have accepted that, I just loathe this narrative that you and others portray that men are THE one and only problem. No we are not. It's funny how you all say "be a man" yet when I or any other man refuses to submit to a woman, you develop an angst towards us.

If women want decent men, they need to EARN them. Why is that so hard for western culture to understand, my limey British friend?

>more fearful/emotionally damaged. they no longer form human bonds or posses motivation.

wat. The amount of money porn makes, pretty sure ever normal person under the sun is jacking to it. Jimmy there just doesn't go around proving to everyone how a normal person can watch the most vile and abusive shit and still be mentally normally by it's most humanistic definition.

No idea how, I draw faster than billy the kid so don't know what friction my hands are getting.

>guys who spend hours masturbating multiple times a day to porn

Not anti-masturbation, but if you are doing this you have no life

Porn is not a cause, its a consequence.

I spend on average four hours of porn a day, but that's usually downloading and bouncing back and forth between Sup Forums, liveleak, dailymail and the porn pages.

Enjoy your wife leaving you for the first person, man or woman, to pay her attention.

I don't like women. Women are retarded, vapid, illogical, you can't have a decent conversation with them. I don't want to spend time with women. I don't want to spend time trying to impress a woman so I can fuck her for a bit. Porn is convenient, if I feel like masturbating I can just start masturbating. Even if you're in a relationship with a woman, chances are she'll have a headache or something half the time you feel like fucking. And then you have to endure her stupid shit for the rest of the day as well

What do I lose by not having sex? How is it destroying me? I also see threads about casual sex being degenerate, and then I see threads where casual sex is promoted. Which is it. I don't want to waste even an evening courting up some slag, I want to shitpost on Sup Forums and masturbate. This is my comfort zone and I am extremely comfortable in it

If they could get pussy they would. They watch pron because they can't. Porn isn't a problem, Western people should be mature enough to engage in a bit of fun degeneracy every once in a while.

Really, the internet and technology is a main cause. Porn was barely a problem pre-internet.

But who do you think you are to tell all these men how to be a real man? You're nobody, that's who. I always found it so strange that people on the Internet thought they could tell us what to do.

Why do you never think, "hey! maybe women can't find decent men because they are trash!!"? Why? Why do you never consider that?

You sure love to generalize men and tell them what to do so you should answer my question.

>hating porn
The niggers are winning Sup Forums

Then become celibate and kill all sexual desire, you'll feel happier than torturing yourself with something you don't even want to have.

>ITT: people with a severe addiction to pornography doing damage control and wallowing in self-delusion

Repent

I'm fine with that. I almost wish it would happen. What can I say, give me credit. I still accept her and love her, I just don't give a fuck if she decides to fuck me over and split with some other dude. I've evolved into "meh, whatever, so I'm free now to get my own place and I don't have to live in her disorganized fucking sloppy mess of a house anymore" attitude.

No it isn't. Its because she went to college with some working class guys who she thought couldn't afford her and then jetted off to Dubai and got sucked into the degenerate world of money and mindless materialism. Then she developed a fetish for them. Women don't seem to mind when men are too busy playing video games when their wallet is big enough.

women don't like anything but themselves

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Did a girl hurt your feelings? Same here you get over it

No. Western women are destroying the Western man.

Well, I mean if they're looking for advice I'll give it to them. I'm not telling any gamer he NEEDS to get off his ass and start dating to be a real man. I'm just saying that if he wants women to consider him as a worthy candidate they're looking for certain things and sitting down at a PS4 with no chance of conversation is NOT one of them. I'm immature myself and I'm 33 and I don't even think I'm a man yet. I'm obviously an adult and at my age somewhat old but I know I can be serious when I need to so I know I'm halfway at least to full maturity. I think if anything makes a person a man it's level of maturity and seriousness when it's called upon.

These porn threads always reminds me of what Yuri Bezmenov said about trying to convince people. Even with the evidence right under their noses they'll defend their disgusting habit of giving money to jews to watch other men fuck whores.

Here- it is science ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3050060/

No, it is not normal to reduce yourself to the level of an animal. It can in no way be described as a healthy behavior.

Just because average American might watch porn doesn't alter the facts. The average American is a degenerate, so how does that support your argument?

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No, but when is the last time you could hold an actually interesting conversation with a woman. Everywhere you'll see men complain about the dumb stuff women do in their relationships. If it was a man and he was your friend, I guarantee nobody would endure that shit for long. So I don't know how someone wants to actually live with someone who is like that

mfw it's true

the worst part though is how many people who OPPOSE porn that still think premarital sex is ok, and even yet, say that "Getting laid" is a good reason to quit porn.

These people bother me even more than porn shills.

Masturbating is fun. I mean I wouldn't mind having sex if women functioned like men but I can't deal with all the extra shit

I'm telling you what's good for you because you clearly don't you whiny little faggot. Blaming women isn't going to solve anything, yes femininists, SJW's etc have made things more difficult for us, you're you just going to have to suck it up, society will eventually fix the problem. Don't like it? Then I guess you shouldn't be breeding anyway.

so? 4channers are mentally ill and damaged too, that's who they deserve

you've conditioned your brain that women are just whores that you jack off to. From there you wont have motivation to be a good conversationalist, make yourself an interesting personality and give women a good reason to invest in you.

yes, men usually must make the initial effort but once a woman likes you she'll return with their own value.

I weep for the future of civilization.

But why does NOBODY ever say the opposite? Even saying:

>"If you want a decent guy, you need to make yourself worthy of such a partner"

will invoke tremendous rage from the Internet. I wouldn't mind these threads so much if people blamed women too, but they never do. It's NEVER the woman's fault in western culture, and even when I log into Facebook I have to see these young sluts talking about "HURRR WHERE ARE THE REAL MEN???", not looking in the mirror and realizing that they are not good enough to get one anyways.

I also don't watch porn and I don't jack off. I have not watched porn for about 6 months now and I haven't jacked off in 15 fucking days. I'm merely pointing out that it's not ALL our fault, women are fucking trash and they do not deserve a good man these days anyways.

My mom was a massive cunt who cheated on my dad and spent my whole childhood telling me never to be in love with anyone and never trust any girls etc etc. I'm not sufficient awkward at all but every time I ever got close to a girl I'd think of what my mom would say about her and sperg my way out of it. I didn't have a girlfriend until I moved out to go to college.

you're not supposed to hold conversation with a woman. You're not supposed to be "friends" with a woman. She mothers your children and raises them. It's a contract. It was better in the past when you just married, no dating bullshit

People forgot what marriage actually means because of hollywood romantic brainwashing.

I'm not "making a argument". I'm just following the money and not in the sense who to blame. I just enjoying saying wat...

You can win the peasants mind all you want. I got no defense for my sexual decadence.

women aren't whores but they also aren't friends for conversation. THEY ARE FOR HAVING CHILDREN AND RAISING THEM. They're not entertainers, or conversational buddies.

Shut up you limey British faggot. I'm merely pointing out the flaws in your premise. That's another thing with you "man up" people - saying even one thing against women turns us into "whiners". Fuck you. I do my part and it's not my fault that women are trash.

I already have sucked it up, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go the extra mile and worship women just because people like YOU say I should. Fuck yourself.

Why don't people get it?

Masturbate to quell your basic urges, then go out and socialize.
That's all you need.

LOL porn is the leading cause of divorce
might as well say weak pussy is the leading cause of divorce

I vouch for the development of fetishes though
>started watching porn regularly at about 9 or 10
>saw bdsm vids and was weirded out
>started becoming more interested in bdsm
>have first fuckbuddy at 13 and fingerfuck her til she's raw while she sucks me off
>start recreating scenes from bdsm porn in HS
>get chlamydia at sdsu and practice much safer sex after
>find girl who's into bdsm and we beat the hell our of eachother, eventually landing me in jail for six months due to domestic violence
>now have new sub that seriously won't leave me the fuck alone when I hate her guts

>I just want to punish women while I fuck them senseless
>probably will never be fit for mutually caring relationship

>26
>love watching porn
>will be slamming a 19 year old qt pie in less than one hour

sucks to suck OP

Guys talk about it but not much and not for the purpose of informing women that it IS a problem. Women are fucking stupid with a lot of things and many things are just not even worth discussing with them. Guys can handle being told they're not real men and they're all fucked up. Women are emotionally weaker and need to be protected from that kind of verbal damage and if they were told it they'd go full denial and it would just be a waste of time.

t. Rejected Supreme Gentleman.

Who said I worship women? I just get on with it and find the one who isn't a man hating whore. It's not impossible, there are too many guys who expect smart, loyal and attractive women to be handed to them on a plate and then go Elliott Rodger mode when they don't get their way. Fucking work for it leaf.

All I said is that women are boring and now you're concluding that I must be a totally broken person. Do you disagree with me? Think of the people you know, men and women. How many of the men and women could you properly discuss things with? Like anything. They don't even need to be any kind of experts at the subject but chances are the men will have at least something interesting to say. The women will just sit there with a dumb look on their face and talk about what their friend did instead